Death Guard Rumors

[Dr_Ruminahui]

I don't think anyone is comparing plague marines versus sternguard, just using stern guard as an example of where both lethal hits and devestating wounds work together.  Given we have no information on plague marines as yet, we don't really have any grounds for comparison.

[HeadlessCross]

2 hours ago, Tokugawa said:

The cost of the character itself need to be considered. 10 Sternguards + 1 Lieutanant have better output against oath target than 10 Sternguards, but do they have better output than 13 or 14.5 Sternguards?

That's no different than to say consider the cost of the character when attaching anything. We could incorporate the Ancient or Chaplain, it really doesn't matter. 

Edited Wednesday at 01:32 AM by HeadlessCross

[Madao]

13 hours ago, Plaguecaster said:

T6 won't really change much apart from a few weapons since majority of armies all have plenty of access to high str or lethal wounds with re rolls  making that  extra T rather pointless 

We now have a character that makes plague marines can't be shot unless within 18 but just adds to same problem of requiring multiple characters just to make plague marines good which makes them even more expensive almost miss the days of only having 1 or 2 characters/ has instead of needed over half a dozen 

Just hope they can actually buff plague marines and the like so not so dependant on characters

 

T6 is wounding in 6+ instead of 5+ for the most common weapon in the galaxy - a humble lasgun. So it ~doubles the amount of GEQ needed to kill a plague marine, taking it from unlikely to nearly impossible (hit 4+, wound 6+, save 3+ means ~0.028 D per lasgun shot - it is 71 shots to kill one plague marine, if LETHAL/DEV cannot be obtained)

[DemonGSides]

I'm sure the WE threads are wailing and gnashing (and somewhat rightfully so), but DG continue winning as Mortarions Datasheet has leaked and it's pretty impressive;

 

[Tokugawa]

New Morty looks quite "clever", especially in a faction used to have few to none "hidden tricks" in tabletop rules. 

[HeadlessCross]

Am I just lacking comprehension because I forgot to get coffee this morning, or is his reaction shooting aura not one unit per turn?

[Tokugawa]

6 minutes ago, HeadlessCross said:

Am I just lacking comprehension because I forgot to get coffee this morning, or is his reaction shooting aura not one unit per turn?

It's says once per turn but actually once per round, since this ability is only useable in opponent shooting phase.

[McElMcNinja]

Once per turn he can use one of the abilities.  I could see where maybe he could use the same ability multiple times, but believe it means he can only use one of the abilities once per turn.

[Alternis]

1 hour ago, DemonGSides said:

I'm sure the WE threads are wailing and gnashing (and somewhat rightfully so), but DG continue winning as Mortarions Datasheet has leaked and it's pretty impressive;

 

Can someone please explain why this is 300 points 

 

but Fulgrim, who is vastly inferior to this is 385 points 

[HeadlessCross]

19 minutes ago, Alternis said:

Can someone please explain why this is 300 points 

 

but Fulgrim, who is vastly inferior to this is 385 points 

300 is his current cost. There's no additional info known about Mortarion besides he's less than Fulgrim. Still not correct cost, but definitely keep that in mind. 

45 minutes ago, McElMcNinja said:

Once per turn he can use one of the abilities.  I could see where maybe he could use the same ability multiple times, but believe it means he can only use one of the abilities once per turn.

I dunno, but he's definitely better than Fulgrim and the Angron leak that just happened. 

[The Praetorian of Inwit]

It is weird that GW can't seem to get the four Daemon Primarchs consistent. Surely the writers doing the rules can talk to each other? I'd have thought they'd want the Primarchs to be share the same sort of power level but with the strengths/weaknesses associated with thier diety. Then again this is GW. Hardly renowned for consistency. Of course all these Daemon Primarchs are still weaker than Rogal Dorn anyway. I suggest you all get yourselves some Imperial Fists. Leave behind all this weird Chaos stuff and join the ranks of the most giga-chad faction to ever exist in anything at anytime anywhere - the IMPERIAL FISTS.

[HeadlessCross]

ALERT

Spoilers are up

work sucks right now so I can't get more than a brief reading 

 

 

[The Praetorian of Inwit]

Another leak. GW is clearly not well fortified and would do well to learn from the Imperial Fists on properly securing things. 

[DemonGSides]

5 minutes ago, The Praetorian of Inwit said:

Another leak. GW is clearly not well fortified and would do well to learn from the Imperial Fists on properly securing things. 

 

Its not much of a leak considering it goes up for preorder this weekend. Compared to the model leak this is nothing. 

 

13 minutes ago, HeadlessCross said:

ALERT

Spoilers are up

work sucks right now so I can't get more than a brief reading 

 

I'm sure someone here will be mad about it, but so far this is a huge glow up for a lot of datasheets for DG that have mostly fallen by the wayside. Poxwalkers with Infiltrate, multiple PM leaders for those same poxwalkers, unit abilities that aren't throw away battleshock trash on PM. 

 

I'm over the moon. Very happy about this codex so far. 

 

There was also a separate leak that showed that Poxwalkers will be getting batteline in the poxwalkers detatchment, something WHC didn't confirm. Most excellent, now I need 110 more Poxwalkers. 

[DemonGSides]

1 hour ago, Alternis said:

Can someone please explain why this is 300 points 

 

but Fulgrim, who is vastly inferior to this is 385 points 

 

No one can explain it because it's not going to be his points on release. Even the rumors of his book points at 20 less than current Fulgrim, while closer, feel low for how powerful Morty is gonna be. He's super easy to shoot considering his wingspan so although having a rough stat line, he's susceptible to dying before he does much if you start with him in the board. I expect he will be a strong DS-er from T2 onward, probably somewhere between 375 and 395 points. A big chunk, more than you're gonna wanna spend at 1k whereas previously Morty almost fit fine in a 1k game. 

[01RTB01]

52 minutes ago, DemonGSides said:

 

No one can explain it because it's not going to be his points on release. Even the rumors of his book points at 20 less than current Fulgrim, while closer, feel low for how powerful Morty is gonna be. He's super easy to shoot considering his wingspan so although having a rough stat line, he's susceptible to dying before he does much if you start with him in the board. I expect he will be a strong DS-er from T2 onward, probably somewhere between 375 and 395 points. A big chunk, more than you're gonna wanna spend at 1k whereas previously Morty almost fit fine in a 1k game. 

 

Although he could fit in a 1k game, I'm not sure primarchs being in 1k games is ok...

[DemonGSides]

4 minutes ago, 01RTB01 said:

 

Although he could fit in a 1k game, I'm not sure primarchs being in 1k games is ok...

I agree, just that the current Mortarion sucks a big one and is quite weak.

 

Hence why I said he mostly fits; other primarchs definitely don't, but I don't think most players would be afraid of current Morty even at that point level, considering I have done just that and he died quite fine enough without doing much at all.

 

New Morty will not have that issue. Battlefield impact is immediate and he can actually dish out some serious damage.  This is a good thing as the points will go up and then he doesn't fit so easily in a 1k game both on points, and with his impact.

 

I thought that was pretty obvious from the rest of my post but I guess not. 

Edited 13 hours ago by DemonGSides

[KingYertle]

Can someone confirm if I am reading the Deathshroud ability correctly.  

 

Spoiler

Silent Bodyguard only applies against attacks that target the character while the bodyguard unit is still on the table.  So it only applies against Percision attacks?  wow thats lame.

 

Silent Bodyguard: While a Character model is leading this unit that character model has FNP 4+

 

[Nephaston]

DG making out like thieves. Proving once again that the rules writers have favourites and put in no effort to conceal that fact.

[Mogger351]

1 hour ago, KingYertle said:

Can someone confirm if I am reading the Deathshroud ability correctly.  

 

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Silent Bodyguard only applies against attacks that target the character while the bodyguard unit is still on the table.  So it only applies against Percision attacks?  wow thats lame.

 

Silent Bodyguard: While a Character model is leading this unit that character model has FNP 4+

 

How else would it ever be relevant?

[HeadlessCross]

1 hour ago, KingYertle said:

Can someone confirm if I am reading the Deathshroud ability correctly.  

 

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Silent Bodyguard only applies against attacks that target the character while the bodyguard unit is still on the table.  So it only applies against Percision attacks?  wow thats lame.

 

Silent Bodyguard: While a Character model is leading this unit that character model has FNP 4+

 

It's definitely a nerf, but the 6" Deep Strike to anyone considered in Contagion is actually pretty baller. If you're the type that LOVES Rapid Ingress or just wants to bring in some flamers up close, they still have a relevant rule. Add on top them getting Lance from the LoC, and I think I'm more than willing to give up the -1 to wound. 

[Rain]

2 hours ago, Nephaston said:

DG making out like thieves. Proving once again that the rules writers have favourites and put in no effort to conceal that fact.

Not sure if this is meant to be tongue in cheek, but DG had absolutely terrible rules on 10th launch. That said, they obviously have by far the most complete model range of any Cult Legion.

[Nephaston]

32 minutes ago, Rain said:

Not sure if this is meant to be tongue in cheek, but DG had absolutely terrible rules on 10th launch. That said, they obviously have by far the most complete model range of any Cult Legion.

A bit tongue in cheek. My guess is that whoever wrote the codex is not the same person that wrote their index.

 

But also beyond model range; the difference in approach from codex to codex is really apparent in the cult legions who all should be CSM+1 but outside of DG feel more like sidegrades.

[Tokugawa]

Poxwalkers get Infiltrate. It's HUGE.

[Tokugawa]

We all known that printed points cost in paper codex isn't the final version, but most cost in this page seems not ridiculous.