How best to kill T6 and T7 Death Guard?

[Helias_Tancred]

The new Death Guard codex rules have leaked. Looks like Plague Marines will be T6, and their Terminators will be T7. What's going to be the best way to kill these Nurgle-afflicted traitors?

 

Hellblasters initially come to mind, for starters.  Edit: Also anything Dark Angels specific come to mind as good killers of Death Guard?

 

Thanks all. 

 

 

 

Edited Thursday at 08:29 PM by Helias_Tancred

[Tawnis]

Aggressors up close could probably handle that pretty well. Things that give lance or +1 to wound like Chaplains will probably be a big help too. 

[Karhedron]

Who are you fielding? Blood Angels are S6 on the charge which will help against regular PMs which Sang Guard, BGVs Van Vets etc are S7 on the charge. Plasma Inceptors will do good work, especially as they are 2D normally and can overcharge to 3D. Even regular Bolter Inceptors are not too shabby thanks to twin-linked. A Vindicator or three is always going to be a solid option.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

Plasma and autocannons.

[HeadlessCross]

The jump from T6 to T7 isn't that important for the Terminators. The T6 is though for Plague Marines since the S5 Power Weapons you would've used before will be less effective. 

 

All the S4 and S8 you were using, though, will still be effective vs both due to wounding at the same exact rate. 

[Tacitus]

4 hours ago, HeadlessCross said:

The jump from T6 to T7 isn't that important for the Terminators. The T6 is though for Plague Marines since the S5 Power Weapons you would've used before will be less effective. 

 

All the S4 and S8 you were using, though, will still be effective vs both due to wounding at the same exact rate. 

Small quibble - they won't wound at the same rate.  They don't wound on 5's (S5 vs T4), but they also won't wound on 2's (S8 vs T4)

[Tokugawa]

29 minutes ago, Tacitus said:

Small quibble - they won't wound at the same rate.  They don't wound on 5's (S5 vs T4), but they also won't wound on 2's (S8 vs T4)

Plaguemarine were t5 since 1990s.

[Malakithe]

Massed Terminators. Fist everything. Done.

[Karhedron]

Predator Destructor. The Autocannon has 4 attacks (6 attacks within 24") at S9, AP-2 D3. That will clear both Plague Marines and Terminators pretty efficiently. The Heavy Bolters will struggle as they will need 5s to Wound but every bit helps. Or just put on Lascannons.

[HeadlessCross]

4 hours ago, Karhedron said:

Predator Destructor. The Autocannon has 4 attacks (6 attacks within 24") at S9, AP-2 D3. That will clear both Plague Marines and Terminators pretty efficiently. The Heavy Bolters will struggle as they will need 5s to Wound but every bit helps. Or just put on Lascannons.

While the Heavy Bolters will need 5s to wound, with the Predator they'd be AP-2 at least, which isn't a bad spot to hit either target. That said, Lascannons are likely better into the Terminators. 

[Tokugawa]

On a 10th vehicle, if one weapon option could pick between lascannon and heavy bolter, with same BS, no extra cost and no extra rules about making wounds(e.g. reroll wounds, devastating wounds), then competitive list would always choose lascannon and never choose heavy bolter. There is gap in raw power.

 

If you can farm MW from devwound or other tricks, it could be effective against DG. DG have few to none protection against MW.

[Tacitus]

17 hours ago, Tokugawa said:

Plaguemarine were t5 since 1990s.

My mistake, I raced through as generic Chaos/Loyalist stat line.

 

As to the answer to the question:  I'd try and do it with Plasma Inceptors.  Your vehicles will likely have plenty of their vehicles to target, and Plamsa Inceptors feel like they rub salt into the wound.  I'm T6 too.  I also move 10". 

[Tacitus]

1 hour ago, Tokugawa said:

On a 10th vehicle, if one weapon option could pick between lascannon and heavy bolter, with same BS, no extra cost and no extra rules about making wounds(e.g. reroll wounds, devastating wounds), then competitive list would always choose lascannon and never choose heavy bolter. There is gap in raw power.

 

If you can farm MW from devwound or other tricks, it could be effective against DG. DG have few to none protection against MW.

Don't forget Lethals.  Assault Intercessors rerolling to hit, rerolling to wound, and adding 1 to wound (which doesn't create more lethals but still helps) getting lethals from a Lieutenant isn't terrible.  Probably not good, but its not "Our weapons are useless".   Deathwing Knights also have some interesting applications here.

[Chaplain Augustus]

I like sternguard with combis for any super tough infantry.

[HeadlessCross]

2 hours ago, Chaplain Augustus said:

I like sternguard with combis for any super tough infantry.

Combi-Weapons have practical application vs the Terminators, but you're better with the Bolt Rifle build into Plague Marines. 

[Chaplain Augustus]

2 minutes ago, HeadlessCross said:

Combi-Weapons have practical application vs the Terminators, but you're better with the Bolt Rifle build into Plague Marines. 

No doubt. I like both builds but whenever I see huge guys on the other side of the board I feel smart for bringing combi weaps... that being said, I have 10 dudes with combis that used to be Sargeants in tac squads that need to see action and they are itching to blast away at t6+ baddies

[Sinus]

Get around the wound roll. So use Sternguard with combiweapons.

Or a Lieutenant with normal intercessors and fish for LH

[Cenobite Terminator]

I don’t see lots of auto cannons available or commonly used, so you’d probably have to list tailor, plus AP1 is easy to negate and you’ll be hard pressed to bring any significant weight of fire.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

1 hour ago, Cenobite Terminator said:

I don’t see lots of auto cannons available or commonly used, so you’d probably have to list tailor, plus AP1 is easy to negate and you’ll be hard pressed to bring any significant weight of fire.

Yeah it is a little weird how marines have lack of access to autocannons, but 3 predators and a unit or two of those flying autocannon dudes provide quite a bit of autocannon fire

[Tacitus]

2 hours ago, Cenobite Terminator said:

I don’t see lots of auto cannons available or commonly used, so you’d probably have to list tailor, plus AP1 is easy to negate and you’ll be hard pressed to bring any significant weight of fire.

Firestrikes, Suppressors, Predators  plus potential AssCans from Terminators, Land Raiders, Dreads, Repulsors and the Reaper.

[Tokugawa]

4 hours ago, Tacitus said:

Firestrikes, Suppressors, Predators  plus potential AssCans from Terminators, Land Raiders, Dreads, Repulsors and the Reaper.

You just listed two names which your opponent would appreciate you for taking them.

 

Also, new Deathshroud has FOUR wounds per model, not three.

[Tacitus]

2 hours ago, Tokugawa said:

You just listed two names which your opponent would appreciate you for taking them.

 

Also, new Deathshroud has FOUR wounds per model, not three.

No, I listed sources of Autocannons, their brothers from another mother the Assault Cannons, and then their sister from another Mister the Onslaught Gatling Cannon in response to someone commenting on there not being very many sources.