Warhammer Skulls 2025 - May 22nd

[Lord Marshal]

Skulls for the Video Games. Or summat.

 

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This year, there are more than a few announcements to be had from your favourite games, including (but not limited to) Warhammer 40,000: Space Marine 2, Warhammer 40,000: Rogue Trader, Total War: Warhammer, Blood Bowl 3, Warhammer 40,000: Tacticus, Warhammer 40,000: Battlesector, Warhammer 40,000: Warpforge, and Warhammer 40,000: Darktide – and not to mention several top-secret new titles.

 

 

Edited yesterday at 04:35 PM by Lord Marshal

[Indy Techwisp]

4 minutes ago, Lord Marshal said:

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and not to mention several top-secret new titles.

 

I wonder if that's an announcement for the rumoured Total War Warhammer 40k

[Garrac]

Dawn of War 3, please.

 

Every single Dawn of War fan know that the franchise has been frozen since Retribution released in 2011. Give us Dawn of War 3. Please? Please.

[Indy Techwisp]

30 minutes ago, Garrac said:

Dawn of War 3, please.

 

Every single Dawn of War fan know that the franchise has been frozen since Retribution released in 2011. Give us Dawn of War 3. Please? Please.

 

Dawn of War III is already on Steam and has been since 2017

[Ramell]

Maybe he just doesn't acknowledge it as a proper Dawn of War game? But then DoW II isn't one either, so that doesn't make sense. 

[TheVoidDragon]

2 hours ago, Indy Techwisp said:

 

I wonder if that's an announcement for the rumoured Total War Warhammer 40k

 

The games been rumoured for so long, I do hope it happens but I really don't think it's a fit for the series myself, as 40k is just do different to what the series involves. If we do get the game it'll be interesting to see who ends up being right with the whole "40k doesn't fit the series" thing - if the game doesn't go for 40k depicted as the usual Rank & File Formation Warfare the series focuses on and has to change to something entirely different, then that'll be exactly what everyone claiming it wouldn't work were saying.

Edited yesterday at 06:58 PM by TheVoidDragon

[Mogger351]

37 minutes ago, Indy Techwisp said:

 

Dawn of War III is already on Steam and has been since 2017

No, that abomination does not exist.

[Evil Eye]

40 minutes ago, Indy Techwisp said:

 

Dawn of War III is already on Steam and has been since 2017

I paid like £3 for that thing and I still feel I got ripped off.

[TheMawr]

46 minutes ago, TheVoidDragon said:

 

The games been rumoured for so long, I do hope it happens but I really don't think it's a fit for the series myself, as 40k is just do different to what the series involves. If we do get the game it'll be interesting to see who ends up being right with the whole "40k doesn't fit the series" thing - if the game doesn't go for 40k depicted as the usual Rank & File Formation Warfare the series focuses on and has to change to something entirely different, then that'll be exactly what everyone claiming it wouldn't work were saying.

40k the miniature game is different than that, but ( by going purely what you describe, I dont know totalwar that well apart from screenshots.) wouldnt Epic fall into that games atmosphere ? and would the name 40k (but the setting rather than the game) then not still fit ?

 

edit : Mind you that I dont really know epic that well either.. I had a bunch of the plastic kits, but I put pins under them individually to play travel 40k on a foamboard, in fact, I have to admit... its the way I have played 40k (2nd edition) the most 

Edited yesterday at 07:44 PM by TheMawr

[TheVoidDragon]

1 minute ago, TheMawr said:

40k the miniature game is different than that, but ( by going purely what you describe, I dont know totalwar that well apart from screenshots.) wouldnt Epic fall into that games atmosphere ? and would the name 40k (but the setting rather than the game) then not still fit ?

 

It's not the scale/size of battles that's the issue, that's the one part that can work just fine, it's the style of warfare that both things involve being entirely different that's the issue.

 

The Total War series revolves around early historical / rank & file warfare, involving fighting as large blocks grouped together in formation, operating as a single unit. Obviously not every single unit in the game fits that exactly as you have single monsterous units and such, but the core of the series and what it has done since the start involves that style of warfare overall with units organized and fighting like that. That's why something like WHF was a good fit for it, the tabletop game is a rank & file wargame.
 

40k combat - both tabletop 40k and in-universe - is not like that at all. You don't have units of Space Marines / Guardsmen / Tau / Orks etc fighting like Napoleonic infantry standing in formation to trade fire with the enemy. It's more closer to 20th century squad-based warfare which is a completely different thing to what the Total War series does,

 

So in order to work with the series, either 40k needs to be depicted in a way that just doesn't fit it in the same way something like WW1/WW2/Modern day combat just basically being a re-theme of a Napoleonic game would be odd., or the core of the Total War series changes in order to fit 40k and at that point it comes into question at what point it's just a Total War game in name only.
 

[gideon stargreave]

I dunno, with unit coherency rules and targeting rules per unit and so on, there’s barely any difference. I think a mass battle 40k game would work just fine (although HH would be more likely)

[TheVoidDragon]

24 minutes ago, gideon stargreave said:

I dunno, with unit coherency rules and targeting rules per unit and so on, there’s barely any difference. I think a mass battle 40k game would work just fine (although HH would be more likely)

 

There is a big difference, 40k is a squad-based Skirmish game not a rank & file wargame and neither is the way battles are fought in the lore like that.

[DemonGSides]

Total war isn't just a rank and file wargame any more, and really hasn't been for over a decade.

 

TW 40k would be fine. It wouldn't look like the tabletop, just like how TW WHF doesn't look like the tabletop. There will be abstractions. It'll be cool. 

[TheVoidDragon]

4 minutes ago, DemonGSides said:

Total war isn't just a rank and file wargame any more, and really hasn't been for over a decade.

 

TW 40k would be fine. It wouldn't look like the tabletop, just like how TW WHF doesn't look like the tabletop. There will be abstractions. It'll be cool. 

 

The addition of monsterous units and heroes and magic and such doesn't mean the core of it isn't still rank & file warfare. WHF is still a Rank & File game too.

Edited 23 hours ago by TheVoidDragon

[Nephaston]

With the success Total Warhammer has been Creative Assembly might also be inclined to alter the formula a tad. Gotta wait and see.

[Indy Techwisp]

17 minutes ago, Nephaston said:

With the success Total Warhammer has been Creative Assembly might also be inclined to alter the formula a tad. Gotta wait and see.

 

If the rumours are to be believed, the TWWH40k game is being built on the back of a shelved "Total War WWI" game's modified engine.

[TheVoidDragon]

21 minutes ago, Nephaston said:

With the success Total Warhammer has been Creative Assembly might also be inclined to alter the formula a tad. Gotta wait and see.

 

This is what the point of saying "40K wouldn't work with the series" is really, that either the depiction of 40k gets adjusted to fit around the Total War series, or the core of the Total War series gets changed for 40k to work.

[Indy Techwisp]

1 minute ago, TheVoidDragon said:

 

This is what the point of saying "40K wouldn't work with the series" is really, that either the depiction of 40k gets adjusted to fit around the Total War series, or the core of the Total War series gets changed for 40k to work.

 

TWWH40k would basically be an Epic Scale game.

TWWHIII already has the systems in place to deal with "full shooting armies", units that shoot on the move, units that seek cover from other units shooting them, systems for units spawning other units (which is how you'd need to do transports), big units of vehicles, very large Shooty units, etc.
And if the rumours are true that the game is being built on the bones of a TWWWI game, then that's already a time period they were planning to do which "broke the Total War Formula" (which, to be fair, has been "broken" for a long time already with stuff like MAGIC in the game).

[NovemberIX]

I know I'm not crazy, we've had this discussion before, it ended up with, we'll see what happens, when it happens, if it happens.

[Indy Techwisp]

4 minutes ago, NovemberIX said:

I know I'm not crazy, we've had this discussion before, it ended up with, we'll see what happens, when it happens, if it happens.

I know we've had this discussion before because I copied most of that from my last post about it.

[DemonGSides]

Yeah it's even featuring the same posters saying it can't possibly work.  Probably not worth engaging with it anymore.

[Vesalius]

I’m really curious what the Darktide teaser is for.  POV of what seems to be a creature attacking the Moebians.

 

I’m hoping Space Marine 2 adds something significant, I’d love to go back, but I’ve gotten burnt out from the available missions.

[DeadFingers]

I know Mechanicus 2 was announced already and thus isn't a secret, and its logo isn't up there, but do I dare hold out hope it makes an appearance regardless?

[Indy Techwisp]

13 minutes ago, Vesalius said:

I’m really curious what the Darktide teaser is for.  POV of what seems to be a creature attacking the Moebians.

 

I’m hoping Space Marine 2 adds something significant, I’d love to go back, but I’ve gotten burnt out from the available missions.

 

I'm somewhat hopeful that they'll add another TSons enemy in a Mission soon.

 

1 minute ago, DeadFingers said:

I know Mechanicus 2 was announced already and thus isn't a secret, and its logo isn't up there, but do I dare hold out hope it makes an appearance regardless?

 

The guys who make it are listed in the image showing all the developers and publishers involved.

Edited 22 hours ago by Indy Techwisp

[DeadFingers]

4 minutes ago, Indy Techwisp said:

The guys who make it are listed in the image showing all the developers and publishers involved.

Ah, wonderful.

 

Wonder why they didn't include it in the image above then. Seems to me it'd have more pull than Warpforge or Tacticus.