10th Ed New Codex Discussion

[Archaeinox]

Its less about the 10man brick getting the buffs and more about pushing them in someones face

 

As for the HQ led brick, its really about increasing their melee capability with the Enhancement bc its one of the few buffs we have in Fight Phase so im trying to play each phase. 

[Ulfast]

So, now the codex has been out a while. Do people tihnk its good and fun to play with and against?

[Archaeinox]

I have been having reasonable success with the Phalanx list. The other Thousand Sons player here has been pushing Warpforged with Vehicle spam but he has moved to porting over his old Cult of Magic list into Hexwarp with 3-0 so far on that experiment. He thinks Hexwarp is better than Coven, due to the det rule & suite of Stratagems and I am inclined to agree with him at least on the strats. The selection of stratagems in Hexwarp is superior to all the other detachments. Phalanx is great for me, but it's incredibly cmd pt hungry. 

 

Most people at my FLGS have remarked TS feels the same from an opponent perspective although our access to fall back and shoot with 2 detachments has surprised some folks and added to our capabilities

Edited July 9 by Archaeinox

[Indy Techwisp]

We got updates in today's patch.

 

The Tzaangor/Mutant Detachment got nerfed by removing Spawn and MVB from the list of units that can use the rule, plus the MVB's +1 cast bonus was changed to not stack with anything else.

 

However, we got Firing Deck back on our Rhinos which is always good and Risen Rubricae has been "clarified" to also apply to characters attached to the Rubricae unit (tho notably not requiring one of those characters to be the one with the enhancements afaics) so you can drop a Termie Sorc with your SOT brick or 2 different characters with your pair of Rubric Squads.

[Ahzek451]

Thread and Forum activity has felt sparse for some time. Wanted to throw something in for fun and to spark a bit of conversation.

What makes an edition or army fun in 40k has always been largely a subjective thing since forever. Talk of 11th is starting to ramp up, word is (as always, take with salt) 11th wont have any dramatic changes. That being said, have you enjoyed 10th? What about playing T.sons this edition has been fun? or...not fun?

For me, There have been quite a few wish-list things I have wanted over the years to make T.sons a truly independent and unique faction. Unfortunately it took over a decade to get here. And a lot of the execution has been clumsy at best. But I am largely happy with the Cabal aspect. That little extra something to put the psychic in one of the most psychic-y armies out there. 

Things I would like to ether go away or change:

-Psychic powers being simple. On one hand a part of me appreciates this. On the other, I feel like it has gutted a lot of flavor. Most of our powers are shooting attacks with a PSYCHIC keyword which (in general) is a nerf and not a boon as this was meant more for the opposition if they have any defense against them. So then really what we have is just fancy guns. An army of fancy guns. Cabal abilities aside, I do look at Ahriman and his one singular boring shooting attack and miss when he could sling out a few spells(imagine that godfather meme of "What have they done to my poor boy"). 

-Rubrics. More of a nitpick really, I miss having all is dust as an army rule and not just relegated to a detachment. The 5++ I could live without. I tend to think in terms of lore more than anything else and the 5++ has always been a nice Tzeentchy-mini magical shield, but with how cover works and everything else...again I could do without. I would really like to see a return to form as the ghostly golem marines that had to be put down hard by shredding the armour to nothing. Often reflected by having an extra wound or better save as the current All is dust provides. Make it baked in.

-Primarchs. Love em or hate em, they fit awkwardly as a playable unit. Never quite standing up to their reputation, but I really don't know how to resolve this in a realistic manner that GW would ever do. So my copium is that in 40k, daemon primarchs are just avatars. Like a C'tan shard. Never the actual primarch in-person. 

-Daemons. This roll-out was one of the more weirder ones by GW. Having them be re-incorporated back into the codex has been a want for me since I lost that ability way back when. But...what a tease. Relegated to their own detachment and lacking in synergy. Who was driving that ship? Not sure what GW was going with here, but I want daemons to come back as a regular unit choice and not a separate detachment. Utilize the keywords here. Allow some abilities to share across mortals and daemons, and allow some not to where it makes sense. I think what GW needs to do is go back to the drawing board and re-think and re-make from the ground up every single daemon datasheet and how they fit in their respective god legions. They should standout from their mortal allies and fill a unique niche that compliments the army and shares some of the rules but not all. 

-Tzaangor. I really have no problem with the bird men. Its been a staple since day 1 that the chaos legions have their own mortal-mutant servants that act like cannon fodder. It's one of those things that help us stand apart from our other chaos kin and particularly our loyalist kin. Stay classy my bird dudes. Embrace the mutant chattel. I appreciate spawn and MVB's being part of the army. They make total sense, a planet of sorcerers with a bunch of mutants and weird junk roaming around. Why wouldn't they load them up on a boat and throw them at the enemy? I just wish they(MVB's) had more iconography or something that makes them look like they were actually made for this army instead of clearly being a port over from fantasy. 

I'll leave it there for now, maybe plug in more later if I think on it. 

Edited August 12 by Ahzek451

[Ulfast]

I agree with you Ahzek451 about the daemons. Should indeed be a more regular units then just in one detachment. That seems very strange for me. as you I also do like Tzaangors and the voretx beast. Its good that every legion get more unique units. 

[Archaeinox]

I have been exclusively running Phalanx. Terminators will likely avoid a heavy nerf. Mutaliths and cheap discgoats getting hikes will be the order of the day. I have avoided them for this very reason. My list is running some spawn and robots, and 2x bricks of Scarabs. I am strongly considering cutting a 2nd Rubric unit out and just running more terminators. I've wanted to do this for a while and now there is incentive. 

 

The list struggles against Wardog/Armiger spam. Knights and pre-nerf DG are its biggest predators. It will chew up "standard" space marine lists with a couple Vindicators, like what Blood Angels are doing sometimes.

 

 

[Archaeinox]

Well this was an interesting week. The army rule went from amazing to one of the worst, objectively. The attempts to nerf Magnus and Coven detachment has only made Magnus more of a requirement in competitive play because you absolutely need his +2 for your two ritual attempts of 2 rituals.

 

Phalanx players are mostly unaffected. My list is unchanged, as I avoided MVBs and floatygoaties. I added Stave Abominus with no model changes. Scarab Occult Terminator stonks went up. Run a brick of 10 with a character regardless of detachment. I'm running 20 still.

 

Changehost is looking better, alongside Phalanx.

[Indy Techwisp]

A very ham-fisted attempt at balance that's only going to drive us back to the age of Magnus being stapled to everything.

Hopefully it get reverted at some point, but I doubt it.

[The Praetorian of Inwit]

It's hard for Thousand Sons. They barely have even half an army. I really can't believe that it is probably going to be ten years (assuming TS codex comes out in 2027 not 2028) for them to get an actual decent range - assuming of course that GW is actually planning on giving TS more than just 1 unit next time around. 

[Archaeinox]

I've been working the 20 (or 30) Scarab Occult list for a while with reasonable success against varying skill of opponents outside of tournament play. 

 

Phalanx detachment can be piloted fairly gently against new players in a teaching game or you can get really stupid with the return fire type strat when the psykers die, etc. I've killed tanks after they crack the Aspiring Sorcerer in the Scarab unit, especially if that unit is led by the guy with +1 to hit rolls. 

 

Anyways I'm having fun while I can with it until they crush terminators.

[Indy Techwisp]

4 hours ago, Archaeinox said:

I've been working the 20 (or 30) Scarab Occult list for a while with reasonable success against varying skill of opponents outside of tournament play. 

 

Phalanx detachment can be piloted fairly gently against new players in a teaching game or you can get really stupid with the return fire type strat when the psykers die, etc. I've killed tanks after they crack the Aspiring Sorcerer in the Scarab unit, especially if that unit is led by the guy with +1 to hit rolls. 

 

Anyways I'm having fun while I can with it until they crush terminators.

 

They keep trying to make Scarabs more worth it to take and Rubricae Phalanx is pretty much the perfect Detachment for them (granted, it's also perfect for actual Rubrics, but SoTs thrive in it as well).

 

Hopefully it or a Detachment very similar to it sticks around as long as GW does the current Detachment style.

[darkseren1ty]

I’ve found some success with running 30 scarabs in hex warp thrallband surprisingly. 
Use a daemon prince on foot to give stealth to your termies. Now they’re -1 to hit and wound. Give each squad a termie sorcerer, now they all hit on 2s. 
 

hexwarp makes your psychic powers a fair bit stronger, and I find it’s more reliable than grand coven. 
 

the Strats for hexwarp all all relevant and usable by termies and most of them will find use in all your games.

 

2 of the enhancements make your psychic powers a bit stronger.

 

finding it to be the dark horse detachment for me

[Ulfast]

On 12/7/2025 at 7:03 AM, darkseren1ty said:

I’ve found some success with running 30 scarabs in hex warp thrallband surprisingly. 
Use a daemon prince on foot to give stealth to your termies. Now they’re -1 to hit and wound. Give each squad a termie sorcerer, now they all hit on 2s. 
 

hexwarp makes your psychic powers a fair bit stronger, and I find it’s more reliable than grand coven. 
 

the Strats for hexwarp all all relevant and usable by termies and most of them will find use in all your games.

 

2 of the enhancements make your psychic powers a bit stronger.

 

finding it to be the dark horse detachment for me

Intersting idea. I have not thought about it. I will try it out :)

 

Otherwise, I have played games and checkted our army out. It seems we do pretty well even if some matchup seems hard. 

[Ahzek451]

Balance data slates don't normally grab my attention in this manner, but today's drop inspired me to spark some discussion! Scintillating legions. New changes allow daemons to use more cabal spells. Not to mention a buff to the LoC and Fateweaver ranged damage.

Flamers benefiting from an extra pip of AP or 2, that certainly elevates their status. 
Horrors able to re-roll hits and ap boost, dang!
And while the strength on a LOC and Fateweaver is still a bit of a problem, damage 3 is certainly welcome in a D3 hungry edition. 

Screamers is one of the least to benefit, the extra 6" move is available, but likely still prioritized on other units. 

I'm very much looking forward to trying this. I felt burned by this detachment when it came out because this was a return to form for how I used to play t.sons back in 3.5. Daemons and marines mixed. But, as we knew...the new detachment rule didn't seem to work very well. Until now. 

Other's thoughts? 

[Indy Techwisp]

12 minutes ago, Ahzek451 said:

Balance data slates don't normally grab my attention in this manner, but today's drop inspired me to spark some discussion! Scintillating legions. New changes allow daemons to use more cabal spells. Not to mention a buff to the LoC and Fateweaver ranged damage.

Flamers benefiting from an extra pip of AP or 2, that certainly elevates their status. 
Horrors able to re-roll hits and ap boost, dang!
And while the strength on a LOC and Fateweaver is still a bit of a problem, damage 3 is certainly welcome in a D3 hungry edition. 

Screamers is one of the least to benefit, the extra 6" move is available, but likely still prioritized on other units. 

I'm very much looking forward to trying this. I felt burned by this detachment when it came out because this was a return to form for how I used to play t.sons back in 3.5. Daemons and marines mixed. But, as we knew...the new detachment rule didn't seem to work very well. Until now. 

Other's thoughts? 

 

Outside of Daemons being able to cast now, there were also some point drops here and there throughout the army.

Notably, 5-man Rubrics went down a little.