More SM Box Rumours

[Chapter Master Valrak]

As the title states, hearing that Chapters are going to get themed Combat Patrol with the release of this new codex.

 

IF Box:

Company of Heroes

Heavy Intercessors

Intercessors

Terminators

 

White Scar box will apparently have the new Jet bike character.

 

Interesting stuff.

 

If you want to watch the waffle its here.

 

Spoiler

 

 

[ZeroWolf]

Given that the White Scars box will supposedly have its special release in, im surprised the IF box doesn't have its rumoured character in it. 

 

Would love a seperate more UM themed box that wasn't just the sm half of leviathan.

[darkhorse0607]

14 minutes ago, ZeroWolf said:

Given that the White Scars box will supposedly have its special release in, im surprised the IF box doesn't have its rumoured character in it. 

 

Would love a seperate more UM themed box that wasn't just the sm half of leviathan.

 

I'm still hoping for an upgrade sprue in the same vein that the Black Templars, Dark Angles and Blood Angels got

[TheMawr]

Going into the much more interesting part of your video ( for me )

 

Kill Team : Death Silence -- Sisters of Silence vs Necrons very probably ( Kill team Pariah is a missed oppurtunity for a name though )

 

However, at a stretch it could also be Sisters of Silence or Necron vs Ynnari.. the reason I say this is because of the KT exodite rumor ( going deeper into that behind spoilers )

 

Spoiler

Exodites being a born in the saddle type of concept makes a core exodite force as a kill team kind of weird, however there are many explanations or possibilities there like rangers+exodites, corsairs+exodites and not in the least, half the time Kill Team doesnt focus on the core elements of armies, like minostorum for SoB and servitors for Admech.

 

But lately lore has been doubling down on the exodites among ynnari ranks moreso than with other eldar, this could, like the thousand sons psy-automata be to accomodate for a potential release that does just that, or (more likely) its just random fluff. But it does make in-universe sense too for an exodite "out" force like a kill team would be, in different possible ways, as well as Ynnari matching up better with some other rumors/expectations of the next season ( Grey knights for example who specifically hunt Ynnari as per 9th edition lore.)

 

-- It could be that its a ragtag group, not unlike the minostorum one, if different aeldari combined.. including exodites wich caught the attention of your rumor source

-- It could be that in KT fluff only its ynnari aligned, but the kit represents a generic exodite unit.

-- It could be that in KT fluff only its exodites, but the kit represents a generic Ynnari unit ( maybe even going into weaponised eldar ghosts territory, not unlike that horus heresy novel angel exterminatus )

 

 

[CL_Mission]

9 minutes ago, TheMawr said:

Going into the much more interesting part of your video ( for me )

 

Kill Team : Death Silence -- Sisters of Silence vs Necrons very probably ( Kill team Pariah is a missed oppurtunity for a name though )

Certainly the most interesting part of the video for me too. Mr.Valrak had a little snippet about a possible Necron Kill Team before and I think the name Dead Silence really does fit them, it would be great to see them up against Eldar of any description.

With Corsairs supposedly getting a release soon I don't know if that worsens or improves the chances or Exodites being involved or turning up in a later Kill Team box. On the one hand I could see GW just wanting to focus on the Corsiars and not muddy the waters by introducing another Eldar group to the tale top soon after or just before Corsairs but on the other hand Exodites could be following the same pattern as Corsairs; appearing in Kill Team first then getting more units later. Assuming the rumours about Corsairs come to fruition of course.

[Rusted Boltgun]

Agree with @ZeroWolf here, that IF Combat Patrol is close to what I had in mind for an 'introductory' Astartes Combat Patrol rather than the current Terminators / Infernus box.

 

While watching the Dropsite preview, Junior expressed an interest in White Scars because of their preference for vehicles and whilst he is also keen on Astra Militarium (because tanks) I reckon he would prefer one that has a Jet bike in it.

 

Edit: If the rumours are true I already have most of the contents of each Combat Patrol so this extra codex becomes very interesting!

Edited Monday at 03:21 PM by Rusted Boltgun
Actually watched the video

[Flaherty]

"Silence" could apply to a bunch of stuff

 

- Alpha Legion/Raven Guard: An upgrade sprue along the lines of the Night Lord one

- Deathguard: It's the name of Mortarion's scythe, I could see there being some new, redundant mortal followers, e.g., the two flavors of WE jakhals

- Necrons: New unit or upgrade sprue

- Sisters of Silence: New unit or upgrade sprue

- Wolf scouts: I guess? But it feels like GW would just tell people to use regular scouts. If they make a Wolf Scout upgrade sprue before making a chapter-specific upgrade sprue for mainline Intercessors, I'll be surprised.

 

[Mazer Rackham]

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Edited Monday at 05:38 PM by Mazer Rackham

[HeadlessCross]

2 hours ago, Flaherty said:

"Silence" could apply to a bunch of stuff

 

- Alpha Legion/Raven Guard: An upgrade sprue along the lines of the Night Lord one

- Deathguard: It's the name of Mortarion's scythe, I could see there being some new, redundant mortal followers, e.g., the two flavors of WE jakhals

- Necrons: New unit or upgrade sprue

- Sisters of Silence: New unit or upgrade sprue

- Wolf scouts: I guess? But it feels like GW would just tell people to use regular scouts. If they make a Wolf Scout upgrade sprue before making a chapter-specific upgrade sprue for mainline Intercessors, I'll be surprised.

 

Wasn't there an Alpha Legion specific character called Silence or something similar to that for 30k?

[Robbienw]

I don’t think I’ve ever been less interested in 40k releases.  30k is so much more interesting these days.

[Tastyfish]

Talons of the Emperor are kind of the last faction to not have a kill team, with the compendium teams gone (assuming they don't count Inquisition + SoS) so I think a strong contender there. Grey Knights also feel like they shouldn't just come under the standard marine banner. Daemons seem in an odd place as a faction in 40K in general so whilst there's likely some fun stuff you could do with a haunted house/ghost ship style possessed Kill Zone I don't know if I'd expect to see any new units for pure daemons.

Then again, these could be some of Be'lakor's guys as some kind of shadow deamons (Hmm, as an aside should Be'lakor be getting Mandrakes?).

Emperor's children I think are too new to get a team that didn't make the cut for the codex, they'll just have to piggy back on cultists for now.

 

Warpcoven will leave the Classified teams when "Dead Silence" comes out, leaving the Thousand Sons with no Kill team.

 

Novitiates will leave Sisters without a team, though I can easily see the Ecclesiarchy team counting for them.

Harlequins and Corsairs will also leave, but there will still be a Craftworld team with the Aspect Warriors so depends how much these guys are considered their own faction vs a subfaction of Craftworlders.

Pathfinders will also leave the Tau with no actual Tau team, but the two auxiliary teams of Vespid and Kroot.

 

Once the year that Dead Silence kicks off finishes, Necrons will also be left without a team (all of the other Gallowdark factions have had subsequent teams in later years), so there's probably a decent chance of one of those turning up as well. We'd also be losing any actual standard human Guard team.

 

So Talons, Necrons and Thousand Sons would be the teams I'd most expect to see coming up (both in this edition but also Dead Silence itself). I think it would be wild if Grey Knights get their Primaris update via Kill Team rather than the new codex but still a possibility. Wolf scouts replacing Phobos as a variant Phobos team would also make sense.

 

More of an outside chance? Deathwatch perhaps, Tau, Harlequins (Mimes are missing a model at the moment aren't they?) and Catachan Devils.

 

[edit]

Hmm, Harlequins might be ratcheting up the chances for me now - as mimes used to be the infiltrators and assassins sent ahead of a performance, rather than being part of the main troupe, so the ideal Kill team role for a unit that has been missing models since the Rogue Trader era.

 

Harlequin mimes vs Necrons could certainly fit Dead Silence. But part of me feels that might leave too many Imperial factions - so lets say Mimes vs Sisters of Silence.

 

Then later Wolf Scouts vs Tzeentch, Catachan Devils vs Tau suits and Deathwatch(/Grey Knights???) vs Necrons for wild future speculation.

Edited Monday at 06:32 PM by Tastyfish

[Craig]

6 hours ago, ZeroWolf said:

Given that the White Scars box will supposedly have its special release in, im surprised the IF box doesn't have its rumoured character in it.

Lysander is a named character which GW seems to be moving away from including in combat patrol boxes. I would assume this means the White Scars character will be a generic "White Scars Captain" or even "Space Marine Captain on bike".

[TheMawr]

2 hours ago, Tastyfish said:

More of an outside chance? Deathwatch perhaps, Tau, Harlequins (Mimes are missing a model at the moment aren't they?) and Catachan Devils.

 

 

Mimes missing models is kind of a meme ( I had to make this pun ) as mimes never had models.. or rules (maybe in white dwarf though in very ancient times when slann did as well.) Sometimes GW has used the wording mime to use as an alternate profile for regular troupes outside of 40k ( Shadow war for example had mimes as an alternate troupe profile, similar to how kabalites have trueborn, wyches had blood brides.) but thats it. Its one of those things that almost exclusively exists in the fandom. ( but its based on an old hierarchy structure picture wich includes mimes and the master mime, as well as warlocks for harlequins.)

 

Also, if you missed it, recap on the rumored teams by valrak (wich is what my above theorising was based on, so far its been correct) alot of the theories are in the rumorverse :

-- Grey Knights ( mind you, its likely not actually grey knights, thats how kill team works.. though in their case I cant find a clue what else they would have.)
-- Exodites ( wich while being my biggest want, I assume is a case of mistaken identity.)
-- Necrons

 

-- Phobos Wolfscouts ( isnt a kill team rumor originally, but long theorised to be because of the rumored contents including a psyker.. their absence in the codex kind of solidifies that rumor.)

 

-- Dark Angels ( but this will be through spacemarine heroes, not the kill team season system )

 

-- Catachans ?? ( I heard him talk about them, but he never lists them with the above ones ( wich included Khorne and Tyranids as well ) so I dont know if its speculation or actual rumor )

 

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btw regarding kill team, and at this point its maybe more its own amicus thread. But I just noticed that the Grand narrative open is eldar/webway themed :

https://web.cvent.com/event/a029e7d8-b71a-4f64-a9b5-502d79486bf7/summary

 

This isnt as meaningless as it sounds, previous settings for the GNO also heavily tied in with the actual events of both that current kill team season, and I think where applyable the bigger 40k "narrative" as a whole ( the two of wich are often also losely connected )

 

In another post I theorized the end of edition and thus next season of kill team might very likely be Old ones/Webway related because a lot of stories head in that direction at one side, but its something that easily connects to a big bad : Orks situation on the other. As well as Drukhari getting their codex, very likely, during the end of edition campaign. This adds another fuel on that fire for me.

 

For kill team setting that is in the webway or related to it ( exodite world/old one ruins world with an important webway portal ) makes sense with every single rumor (bold) or gap (cursive) :

-- Grey knights ( not so obvious )
-- Exodites ( quite obvious )

-- Necrons ( also obvious )
-- Talons of the Emperor ( because secret info about the webway )

-- Thousand sons/Tzeentch ( yum knowledge )
-- Emperors children/Slaanesh  ( yum eldar souls )

-- Spacewolf scouts, sent out to find russ ( its a stretch )

-- Catachans, if its an exodite jungle world

 

edit : Sadly that leaves no fitting wildcards for Vashdark mechanicus tech-daemons, Wyches ( wich I want to get updated ) or a glorious return of space slann. ( calling out these 3 because they too would also fit such a setting )

Edited Monday at 08:16 PM by TheMawr

[HeadlessCross]

4 hours ago, HeadlessCross said:

Wasn't there an Alpha Legion specific character called Silence or something similar to that for 30k?

Felt the need to correct my statement here and that the character was called Exodus, which is an infinitely more bad ass name LOL

[skylerboodie]

Valrak says in the video the Kill Team box is called Dead Silence, not Death Silence; just FYI.

[Nephaston]

18 minutes ago, skylerboodie said:

Valrak says in the video the Kill Team box is called Dead Silence, not Death Silence; just FYI.

Just a bunch of mutes smacking each other.

[TheMawr]

37 minutes ago, skylerboodie said:

Valrak says in the video the Kill Team box is called Dead Silence, not Death Silence; just FYI.

 

if that was partially targetted to my posts, I had to google the exact difference ( non native english speaker, good enough for communication, not good enough for proper grammar etc. ;) ), but it makes no difference to the content of my theorising... if anything it makes the factions where the on the noseness features their names less likely than I already expected them to be ( Deathwatch, Deathguard, BA death company ) and doubles down on the likeliest candidates where Dead is even more fitting; Necron at about 90% and Ynnari-exodites at about 9 %

 

I know its the leftover 1% it will turn out to be ofcourse.

[Dorn of War]

9 hours ago, Robbienw said:

I don’t think I’ve ever been less interested in 40k releases.  30k is so much more interesting these days.

 

I feel totally the opposite. If you aren't interested in the recent range releases for the Eldar and the Emperor's Children and the incoming re-imagining of the Space Wolves or the brilliant new kits that have come out for Orks and Tyranids over the past year or so then I'd question whether you're interested in 40k at all. 

 

I do like the Heresy but I think the model releases for the game are comfortably behind those of 40K and AoS. 

Edited Tuesday at 03:51 AM by Dorn of War

[Robbienw]

5 hours ago, Dorn of War said:

 

I feel totally the opposite. If you aren't interested in the recent range releases for the Eldar and the Emperor's Children and the incoming re-imagining of the Space Wolves or the brilliant new kits that have come out for Orks and Tyranids over the past year or so then I'd question whether you're interested in 40k at all. 

 

I do like the Heresy but I think the model releases for the game are comfortably behind those of 40K and AoS. 

 

I've been interested in 40k for just under 33 years mate 

 

The refreshed Eldar were superb, but I've always been biased towards Imperials in terms of interest, so no, most of the releases you've mentioned don't greatly excite me.  Not in model or new lore terms.  I've really enjoyed recent kill team releases for Imperials that is producing more cool niche units like the Sanctifiers, Ratlings, Arbites, etc.  But the main range isn't doing it for me.

 

30k is just producing superior models and background for me at this time.  Its a cut above 40k currently. 

 

This forum is not the place for discussion of the other mysterious and obscure game you refer to 

[Indy Techwisp]

Unless I'm forgetting an active "multi-part Outriders" rumour, I predict that the White Scars box is just going to be the "Storm of Chogoris" box again with Kor'sarro Khan swapped out for the Jetbike Khan (whomever that ends up being).

 

[skylerboodie]

 Valrak confirms the rest of the contents in the video, it's not the above.

[Frogian]

14 hours ago, Craig said:

Lysander is a named character which GW seems to be moving away from including in combat patrol boxes. I would assume this means the White Scars character will be a generic "White Scars Captain" or even "Space Marine Captain on bike".

 

I know he's called them Combat Patrols, but there is far too much in the IF one for it to be one - if it's a limited army box then could definitely have the new character in

[skylerboodie]

Yeah I did think one-off Battleforce releases rather than ongoing Combat Patrols felt more likely, but Valrak's sources are normally very good; sometimes details might get lost in translation though..

[Deus_Ex_Machina]

11 hours ago, Nephaston said:

Just a bunch of mutes smacking each other.

Charlie Chaplin confirmed in 40K. Quick reminder for Charlie: Don´t wave flags while smacking people or the Inquisition will come for you.

[ZeroWolf]

2 hours ago, Frogian said:

 

I know he's called them Combat Patrols, but there is far too much in the IF one for it to be one - if it's a limited army box then could definitely have the new character in

5 man squads for each so 20 models which is only 1 model more than the new Dark Angels CP. I could see it especially if the terminators aren't the multipart but the leviathan push fit.