Where to find what units we can use from the space marines codex and how to equip headtak

[whiteridder]

Well it are two questions. Where can I find if you can use space marine units like landraiders and so on. I cant find it in the space wolvea codex. Or do I miss something.

 

Abd how to equipnthe headtakers, is there a good build?

Edited Saturday at 05:00 PM by whiteridder

[SvenIronhand]

1.) You can; they just won't benefit from some of the stratagems. The 'codex' is a codex supplement. 

[Jorin Helm-splitter]

The unit restrictions were in the FAQ of the space marine book IIRC. I'm not sure if that list is going to expand when our book fully releases, (I could see losing access to chaplains for example).

 

It's still kind of early to have a best build for Headtakers, and I think your choice of character is going to matter a lot. My initial plan is to run Ragnar with 3 with paired weapons, and a Wolf Priest leading 6 Headtakers with w/shields. That said the kit has separate arms for the shield and sword arms so I think it would be fairly easy to add magnets.

[Karhedron]

I am currently thinking of a roughly 50:50 split between axe/shield and dual weapons led by a Wolf Priest. The shield guys tank the damage while the Priest revives them. The dual-wielders lay down extra damage with +1 to Wound.

[Kassill]

 

 

 

4 hours ago, Karhedron said:

I am currently thinking of a roughly 50:50 split between axe/shield and dual weapons led by a Wolf Priest. The shield guys tank the damage while the Priest revives them. The dual-wielders lay down extra damage with +1 to Wound.

 

Can't mix them sadly "All of.." 

 

I can see a case for either, personally i'm leaning towards dual if you run msu 3 mans with a character like a wgbl as little murder missiles to stage and dish damage. Meanwhile 6 with shields with a Wolf Priest are more durable and with him bringing one back a turn and +1 to wound they'll still chop plenty 

Ultimately though...magnets 

 

Codex Space Marines will have the datasheets for the other things we can take as Space Wolves as well as what we cannot take. 

 

Edited Sunday at 12:58 AM by Kassill

[Lord Clinto]

I hope the SM Codex entry gets an update, considering there isn't a Long Fangs datasheet anymore...

[Kassill]

5 minutes ago, Lord Clinto said:

I hope the SM Codex entry gets an update, considering there isn't a Long Fangs datasheet anymore...

I would not hold my breath on that. You can still play your LF in friendlies/pick up games though, just not organized tournament play AFAIK with how legends works

[Karhedron]

On 6/8/2025 at 1:58 AM, Kassill said:

I can see a case for either, personally i'm leaning towards dual if you run msu 3 mans with a character like a wgbl as little murder missiles to stage and dish damage. Meanwhile 6 with shields with a Wolf Priest are more durable and with him bringing one back a turn and +1 to wound they'll still chop plenty 

 

Yes, dual weapons and a WGBL looks pretty tasty. With SH1 and rerolling 1s to hit, you should average about 6 Hits per model which in turn translates to an average of 2MWs each against their Quarry target (if you can deliver them). 6MWs with Precision against anything (or 12 from a 6-man squad) is quite a tasty package and can threaten almost anything.

[Jorin Helm-splitter]

Yeah, I think the WGBL probably is a better choice than Ragnar for dual weapons. I'm bit a rusty and am going to get a lot of value out of advance and charge on the squad, but I think you have view them as a trade piece because they aren't particularly durable. Saving points and having good buffs helps in that regard.

 

One thing I noticed about the quarry about is that the headtakers get to pick a new quarry when the old one is eliminated. They don't have to be the ones to destroy that unit. I think picking a unit that you know your opponent needs to be aggressive with, may be better than actually trying to pick the headtaker's target at the start of the game. 

[whiteridder]

Wgbl?

[Karhedron]

1 minute ago, whiteridder said:

Wgbl?

 

Wolf Guard Battle Leader 

[Karhedron]

2 hours ago, Jorin Helm-splitter said:

Yeah, I think the WGBL probably is a better choice than Ragnar for dual weapons. I'm bit a rusty and am going to get a lot of value out of advance and charge on the squad, but I think you have view them as a trade piece because they aren't particularly durable. Saving points and having good buffs helps in that regard.

 

I just view Ragnar as a must-take with Blood Claws. Full rerolls to Wound is really good and Benefits Ragnar himself too. I have a squad of very wolfy BGVs who will be running as Sword'n'Board Headtakers led by a Wolf Priest from now on. My new models will probably be dual wielding. I am wondering about 2x3-man on foot as mini-missile units (maybe coming on from the flanks in Tactical Reserve). That also allows me to take 2x3 Hunting Wolves which are great for cheap screening, board control or actions.

 

2 hours ago, Jorin Helm-splitter said:

One thing I noticed about the quarry about is that the headtakers get to pick a new quarry when the old one is eliminated. They don't have to be the ones to destroy that unit. I think picking a unit that you know your opponent needs to be aggressive with, may be better than actually trying to pick the headtaker's target at the start of the game. 

 

Yup, Dev Wounds are quite tasty so I am sure there is a lot of psychological play to be had in choosing your quarry. Just as there should be. 

[Jorin Helm-splitter]

8 hours ago, Karhedron said:

 

I just view Ragnar as a must-take with Blood Claws. Full rerolls to Wound is really good and Benefits Ragnar himself too. I have a squad of very wolfy BGVs who will be running as Sword'n'Board Headtakers led by a Wolf Priest from now on. My new models will probably be dual wielding. I am wondering about 2x3-man on foot as mini-missile units (maybe coming on from the flanks in Tactical Reserve). That also allows me to take 2x3 Hunting Wolves which are great for cheap screening, board control or actions.

 

 

Yup, Dev Wounds are quite tasty so I am sure there is a lot of psychological play to be had in choosing your quarry. Just as there should be. 

 

Yeah, he does look like a lot of fun with blood claws. I have a 1000 point game set up this weekend against emperors children, and I plan on running 3x3 headtakers because it's going to be a infantry heavy matchup. So it'll be fun to contrast how the 3 squads do (edit: each squad will have  a different character).

 

I really feel that we should start a unit of the week series when we hit the full release date. Cause I feel like there will be a lot to talk about, and I want to see exactly what we have access too before I get carried away .

Edited Monday at 11:58 PM by Jorin Helm-splitter

[whiteridder]

Oke, some other stupid questions, but are our planes gone, or do I again miss something?

[Bryan Blaire]

26 minutes ago, whiteridder said:

Oke, some other stupid questions, but are our planes gone, or do I again miss something?

Yet another casualty to this Edition.

[Karhedron]

Best I can suggest is to proxy them as Stormravens 

[Lord Clinto]

I'm really happy that we finally got our codex and new models, but GW's choices (WGTerm allowed weapons, no power fist in BClaws, removal of Stormwolf/Hounds of Morkai/Pack Leaders/etc...) are really mystifying. 

 

And the way they wrote how SM Codex units interact with the SW Supplement is a little confusing, to say the least.

[RagnarökNRoll]

6 hours ago, Karhedron said:

Best I can suggest is to proxy them as Stormravens 

For now, then use the Legends rules later, I suppose. 

[Karhedron]

4 hours ago, Lord Clinto said:

And the way they wrote how SM Codex units interact with the SW Supplement is a little confusing, to say the least.

 

In some ways it is not so surprising. Look at Blood Angels with Death Company. They are a unique unit and can only be led by a couple of Characters (only one of which is in the basic SM Codex). There are some stratagems that are specific to them.

 

Now Blood Angels are close to being a Codex chapter and their special units are just elite melee units. Space Wolves are a bit different in that they have their own bespoke Battleline units as well as elites. So they have introduced another tier for their specific units that have limited interaction with the general parts of the codex. They also have bespoke Terminators with specific loadouts just like Dark Angels do.

 

The pattern for wolves is actually consistent with Blood Angels and Dark Angels just a bit more extreme.

[Jorin Helm-splitter]

I agree with Karhedron that the pattern was already there it was just more extreme with us. I do think that they should have had a generic rune priest and terminator WGBL with this release instead of Njal and Arjac because of this.

 

I also expect more changes when they reach the full release. I could see some vanilla units picking up the space wolf key word in a space wolves' detachment, and I could see us losing access to some/all of the chaplain models now that we actually have a Wolf Priest model.

 

Hopefully we go back to having our own codex again.