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If Sword Brethren dont get d2 power swords they will either have to be way too cheap to be an elite unit or just plain bad sadly. 

 

I see i forgot Grimaldus seems to lose his 5+++ but gains +1 t. If its his stats thats changing it doesnt matter that much but if its the unit buff then its a pretty big deal. I feel it will be a nerf vs most stuff. 

Im still optimistic and cant wait to see our detachments! Especially if we do get vows as army rule instead 

6 hours ago, redmapa said:

If those rumors are true then it feels like a good sidegrade for us as it gives everything that is currently keeping our lackluster winrate afloat while opening the design space for detachments and different buffs. Overall I like the changes so far but its a big IF to it being true, it wouldnt be the first time GW changed their design paradigm late in an edition but only for us? I would expect tha Wolves would also lose Oath and gain something and its also shows GW to be very in tune as to what works within a faction which isnt exactly our experience with GW balance.

a lot of their buffs only work in their detachments. And only for SW units - not Astartes units. GW dont want us to play the normal SM detachments because we have an advantage because of more datasheets... and a disantvantage in our current state because of Special Oath (+1to wound). For them (and i think so as well) its better to give the big 4 chapters their own books. 

 

In my pov:

 

Space Marine Codex (Ultramarines as dominant faction) vs Chaos Space Marines Codex (Black Legion as dominant faction

 

Dark Angels, Space Wolves, Blood Angels and Black Templars vs World Eaters, Emperors Children, Death Guard and Thousand Sons.

 

both share a bunch of same units (Chaos Rhino, Forgefiend, Helbrute....) but they all have various rules. And the rumors about our Marshal shows the difference right now... and even the Space Wolves have that already. 

5 hours ago, Sir Clausel said:

If Sword Brethren dont get d2 power swords they will either have to be way too cheap to be an elite unit or just plain bad sadly. 

 

I see i forgot Grimaldus seems to lose his 5+++ but gains +1 t. If its his stats thats changing it doesnt matter that much but if its the unit buff then its a pretty big deal. I feel it will be a nerf vs most stuff. 

Im still optimistic and cant wait to see our detachments! Especially if we do get vows as army rule instead 

a few things said right here.

World Eaters lost a lot of their table like more movement... but was built in the datasheet. lets say  the swords get +1 dmg and their ws is 2+ and 3+ on the hammer they would be still awesome.  If they completely loose their dmg but receive ws 2+ and +1S and +1ap  i would take them in my lists (currently i do not!!!!!!!!!)

 

 

And Sete is correct. We dont know how the vows will change. If Uphold will be the same but AaC will be sustained + reroll all hit rolls in close combat and Suffer not... let you reroll all wound rolls it can be really crazy.

4 hours ago, Medjugorje said:

In my pov:

 

Space Marine Codex (Ultramarines as dominant faction) vs Chaos Space Marines Codex (Black Legion as dominant faction

 

Dark Angels, Space Wolves, Blood Angels and Black Templars vs World Eaters, Emperors Children, Death Guard and Thousand Sons.

 

both share a bunch of same units (Chaos Rhino, Forgefiend, Helbrute....) but they all have various rules. And the rumors about our Marshal shows the difference right now... and even the Space Wolves have that already. 

 

Unlike the BTs and the rest of the LSM supplements, the Cult Marines don't get to soup anything they want from CSM, just a very specific tailored list of effectively reprints.

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