What militaries are guard regiments modeled after?

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

Very much enjoy watching battle order on YouTube, and got me thinking.

which military and during which era are the various regiments based on?

not in terms of aesthetics, but actual organization?

both in game terms (unit make up) and lore?

 

for example, a modern ukrainian mechanized squads have 2 LMGs, an RPG, sniper, and underbarrel in a single squad.

 

so based on that I can rule out basically any standard battleline units being inspired by them, way too many ‘special’ weapons.

[kabaakaba]

IMHO there is no simple question. Any army have relatively equal squad composition with some deviation in details. Most have MG, rocket launchers, grenade launchers and sniper rifles in a single squad.  And that composition is the almost same from very end of WW2 with addition special weapons added once they developed.

Catachans is definitely US forces in Vietnam because its absolutely"Johnny they on the tree".

krieg is WW1 trench Germany/British forces. Valhalla is Soviets but it can be linked directly. For most guards they a have some aesthetic vibes,  but can't be directly linked to exact army out of aesthetic cause as I said earlier virtually any adequate army equiped the same.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

6 hours ago, kabaakaba said:

IMHO there is no simple question. Any army have relatively equal squad composition with some deviation in details. Most have MG, rocket launchers, grenade launchers and sniper rifles in a single squad.  And that composition is the almost same from very end of WW2 with addition special weapons added once they developed.

Catachans is definitely US forces in Vietnam because its absolutely"Johnny they on the tree".

krieg is WW1 trench Germany/British forces. Valhalla is Soviets but it can be linked directly. For most guards they a have some aesthetic vibes,  but can't be directly linked to exact army out of aesthetic cause as I said earlier virtually any adequate army equiped the same.

Not really. 
a lot of unit types have notably larger or smaller squads, some being 8 some being 12-14, WWI and before compositions im not super familiar with but I think 20 man units may have existed in some militaries around that time frame.
that’s only discussing infantry, not touching on armored units.

Edited June 27 by Inquisitor_Lensoven

[jaxom]

Britain circa 1944-1960 if I remember correctly. I think that’s time period with 10 man rifle sections. However, each 10 man squad operated in two parts; more like Tactical Squads operating as Combat Squads. The variety of weapons available to squads (until 10th Ed) is more modern? Antitank weapons were distributed by the company HQ, and each rifle section had a machine gun. The new Cadian squad matches how rifle section leaders had submachine guns instead of rifles.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

3 hours ago, jaxom said:

Britain circa 1944-1960 if I remember correctly. I think that’s time period with 10 man rifle sections. However, each 10 man squad operated in two parts; more like Tactical Squads operating as Combat Squads. The variety of weapons available to squads (until 10th Ed) is more modern? Antitank weapons were distributed by the company HQ, and each rifle section had a machine gun. The new Cadian squad matches how rifle section leaders had submachine guns instead of rifles.

But Cadians can no longer take any machine guns, I don’t think melta or plasma can be argued as an equivalent weapon. 
did WWII Brit squads have general access to flamethrower, or grenade launching attachments like the US did?

[jaxom]

2 hours ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

But Cadians can no longer take any machine guns, I don’t think melta or plasma can be argued as an equivalent weapon. 
did WWII Brit squads have general access to flamethrower, or grenade launching attachments like the US did?

Cadian sergeants can take a drum-fed autogun. I have no idea what it's rules are but it looks like an SMG to me. Brits didn't have grenadiers until later. US and France had 1 grenadier per rifle section and then by end of WW2 the US had 2 grenadiers per rifle section. No one that I'm aware of had flamethrowers, grenade launchers, or rocket propelled grenades embedded in rifle sections as standard. Special weapons were usually given to combat engineer sections and pioneer platoons.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

13 hours ago, jaxom said:

Cadian sergeants can take a drum-fed autogun. I have no idea what it's rules are but it looks like an SMG to me. Brits didn't have grenadiers until later. US and France had 1 grenadier per rifle section and then by end of WW2 the US had 2 grenadiers per rifle section. No one that I'm aware of had flamethrowers, grenade launchers, or rocket propelled grenades embedded in rifle sections as standard. Special weapons were usually given to combat engineer sections and pioneer platoons.

It’s just a base 2 shot lasgun without rapid fire.

 

[DemonGSides]

13 hours ago, jaxom said:

Cadian sergeants can take a drum-fed autogun. I have no idea what it's rules are but it looks like an SMG to me. Brits didn't have grenadiers until later. US and France had 1 grenadier per rifle section and then by end of WW2 the US had 2 grenadiers per rifle section. No one that I'm aware of had flamethrowers, grenade launchers, or rocket propelled grenades embedded in rifle sections as standard. Special weapons were usually given to combat engineer sections and pioneer platoons.

 

Same stats as a lasgun just without the rapid fire and always has 2 shots.  But it's also the only way to get the lasgun profile on every member of the rifle section if you wanted to do that for ease of rolling or something like that.

I use it on most of my Cadians.  I don't see the point of a single terrible chainsword or the anemic pistols.  Give me one more chance at flashlight glory!

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

This goes even beyond squad composition, to platoon, company, etc organization.

[jaxom]

Regiment

Resembles WW2 British Para battalion: HQ company and 3 rifle companies.

 

 

Company

Nothing comes to mind off the top of my head. The organization here is bad from a management perspective. 7 +/- 2 is what one wants for reporting in a chain of command; and militaries tend towards the lower edge of that. If I remember correctly, most have 3-4 sections reporting to a platoon commander, and then 3-4 platoons reporting to a company  commander. Additionally, I can't think of any modern military which does heavy and special weapon squads quite like that. Mortar sections were/are part of company organization, not rifle platoon, and I think weapons squads (or manuever support squads) were removed from rifle platoons sometime in the past ten years in the US and UK?

 

 

 

Edited Saturday at 02:55 PM by jaxom
Reorganized where the text was and added headers

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

2 hours ago, jaxom said:

Regiment

Resembles WW2 British Para battalion: HQ company and 3 rifle companies.

 

 

Company

Nothing comes to mind off the top of my head. The organization here is bad from a management perspective. 7 +/- 2 is what one wants for reporting in a chain of command; and militaries tend towards the lower edge of that. If I remember correctly, most have 3-4 sections reporting to a platoon commander, and then 3-4 platoons reporting to a company  commander. Additionally, I can't think of any modern military which does heavy and special weapon squads quite like that. Mortar sections were/are part of company organization, not rifle platoon, and I think weapons squads (or manuever support squads) were removed from rifle platoons sometime in the past ten years in the US and UK?

 

 

 

Yeah, heavy weapons snipers are typically held at company level or above.

 

but do we have organization for non-Cadian regiments in any of the codexes or do we just have to rely on descriptions from novels?

[jaxom]

From Forge World books

Death Korp infantry company is nominally Company HQ, 10 rifle platoons and a heavy weapons platoon. Company HQ is HQ squad with tranport, and 2 Grenadier Squads with transports. Rifle platoons are HQ section and 6 squads of 10, HQ squad is smaller and has a heavy weapon. Rifle squads have one special weapon. Heavy weapons platoon is HQ with a heavy weapon, 4 fire support squads (heavy weapons teams with anti-infantry), 2 anti-tank squads (heavy weapons teams with anti-tank), and 3 mortar squads. The heavy weapon squads are often distributed to other squads or in temporary groupings, per Company HQ's direction. Actual number of Grenadier Squads varies. 

 

Other than that, not sure.

[SteveAntilles]

The old Imperial Armour had a pretty cool organization charts. Elysians:

 

Tallarn: 

[SteveAntilles]

Cadian 

[kabaakaba]

Hm, I'm sorry but cadians mechanized is completely resembles current mechanized brigade of any country. And elysians veeeery close to current paratroopers. At least I'm absolutely certain about post USSR countries military(at least they have political officers aka commissars til this days)and I think it's very close to any current major country army cause it's an effective force organization.

Edited Monday at 10:15 PM by kabaakaba