The Big Summer Warhammer Preview - July 18th.

[SalamandersBro]

2 hours ago, Indy Techwisp said:

 

I've been thinking that Admech's HH Teaser there might be a reintroduction of the Old-style Skittarri under a new name

Would love that. They are in the books.

[TheMawr]

6 hours ago, Interrogator Stobz said:

I was reaching reeeeally hard.

Other theories make more sense. 

 

No, no not at all.. if I undersand you correctly you are also analysing their weirdly and forced pronounced sentences ? Id been doing the same XD, though I still think that makes "not too big is it" a chaos dwarf thing... because dwarfs, like LI miniatures, are not too big.

 

"in this video" with the Deathwatch cap... because you WATCH a video ( as if the actual logo wasnt enough )

"it would need to be Subtle" with the astronaut cap, subtle can also reference "smallness" 

"Say no more" = Silence with the pharaoh cap, I still think that the lych guard rumors could be misindentified evolution of necron pariah; Necron + Silence.

 

nice hat by the way, I think "by the way" is the key sentence, and Highwaymen use the same kind of hats ( this is for the record the one I started the overanalysing with... despite having no knowledge of highwaymen parables in any of the settings ? but I thought ohhh he means by the webway, and then it struck me that Ive had seen those hats in a movie about highwaymen.

 

Sorcerrs hat = Big hats, Best hats ... no clue

 

I think he even say two birds, one stone weirdly, but... might be how some brits say it ? I only know people using the full sentence.. killing two birds with one stone.

 

Even if the first 3 above turn out to be those factions

 

.. let me rephrase the opening sentence of this reaction.

 

Yes, you are reaching really hard, but for me thats just another saturday afternoon XD 

 

edit :

 

in my enthusiasm I forgot one of the most important conclusions 

If someone from warhammer community says " we should tell people when it is" its a selfaware nudge to their usual deceptions

In short, its all but confirmed the Harlequin hat combined with a clue that undenially means Deceiving ; the Deceiver miniature confirmed :p ( while I do think he might be a possible end of edition release, the big ones are usually revealed much later, so unlikely.)

 

I went so far as to check if July 18th at 7 pm was twilight time.. you know, pirate, spear of twilight ? Im having way too much fun with this.

Edited July 5 by TheMawr

[Lord Marshal]

5 hours ago, Indy Techwisp said:

 

I've been thinking that Admech's HH Teaser there might be a reintroduction of the Old-style Skittarri under a new name

 

Skitarii Pilgryms get name dropped in newer 30k publications, which don't appear to have been a thing before, so I reckon that'll be the case.

[LSM]

18 hours ago, TheMawr said:

...nice hat by the way, I think "by the way" is the key sentence, and Highwaymen use the same kind of hats ( this is for the record the one I started the overanalysing with... despite having no knowledge of highwaymen parables in any of the settings ? but I thought ohhh he means by the webway, and then it struck me that Ive had seen those hats in a movie about highwaymen...

 

Mordheim had a pair of Highwayman models (IIRC from the Empire in Flames supplement). 

 

Though I think they had bicorns, not tricorns...

[Bev'an]

Pirate hat had me thinking of Baddruk straight away 

[LSM]

Out-of-the-box pirate thought: Huron Blackheart?

[Indy Techwisp]

4 minutes ago, LSM said:

Out-of-the-box pirate thought: Huron Blackheart?

 

Seen someone in another forum suggest Vampire Coast for TOW since it's another faction oft requested by TWWH3 fans like Grand Cathay was.

[Vassakov]

I do wonder whether GW needs to dial back on some of these humourous announcement videos, as I fear that this preview is now already utterly doomed to be a "disappointment" or "underwhelming" simply because fans of every system are speculating over what each hat could mean for their system and (and I hope this goes without saying) - everyone is going to be wrong about most of it.

 

Seriously, there are 7 game systems at least, so the majority of the stuff is not going to be for 40k. It's fine to rampantly speculate, as long as you acknowledge that you're building up totally unrealistic expectations and when it turns out that the thing you were really hoping for existed only in your imagination, not to blame GW or Eddie and Adam or whoever for "letting you down" when, in fact, a full Exodites army was not revealed.

 

Sorry, in a bit of a cynical mood this morning. 

[LSM]

6 minutes ago, Indy Techwisp said:

 

Seen someone in another forum suggest Vampire Coast for TOW since it's another faction oft requested by TWWH3 fans like Grand Cathay was.

 

I don't think The Old World is going to constantly be rolling out new armies. 

 

When (if?) they continue to put out new (not updated) models, finishing off Grand Cathay (more Dragons, Alchemists/Astromancers, Iron Hail/Crane Gunners, Onyx Crowmen, etc) and getting out Kislev would probably be the priorities, over Vampire Coast.

 

(Though I think there's been some rumours about TOW returning a bunch of Dogs of War units into production. Their lore often involved Sartosa, and its pirates...)

[Dark Shepherd]

5 hours ago, Vassakov said:

I do wonder whether GW needs to dial back on some of these humourous announcement videos, as I fear that this preview is now already utterly doomed to be a "disappointment" or "underwhelming" simply because fans of every system are speculating over what each hat could mean for their system and (and I hope this goes without saying) - everyone is going to be wrong about most of it.

 

Seriously, there are 7 game systems at least, so the majority of the stuff is not going to be for 40k. It's fine to rampantly speculate, as long as you acknowledge that you're building up totally unrealistic expectations and when it turns out that the thing you were really hoping for existed only in your imagination, not to blame GW or Eddie and Adam or whoever for "letting you down" when, in fact, a full Exodites army was not revealed.

 

Sorry, in a bit of a cynical mood this morning. 

Id rather this than the recently passed trend of saying every preview show is the biggest preview show ever and then all they show is 2 books and an intercessors elbow

 

From a James Workshop pov this was a good vid IMO as it has us all speculating. Id rather be wrong between Corsairs and Vampire Coast than expecting big 40k things and getting nothing

[TheMawr]

51 minutes ago, Vassakov said:

I do wonder whether GW needs to dial back on some of these humourous announcement videos, as I fear that this preview is now already utterly doomed to be a "disappointment" or "underwhelming" simply because fans of every system are speculating over what each hat could mean for their system and (and I hope this goes without saying) - everyone is going to be wrong about most of it.

 

Seriously, there are 7 game systems at least, so the majority of the stuff is not going to be for 40k. It's fine to rampantly speculate, as long as you acknowledge that you're building up totally unrealistic expectations and when it turns out that the thing you were really hoping for existed only in your imagination, not to blame GW or Eddie and Adam or whoever for "letting you down" when, in fact, a full Exodites army was not revealed.

 

Sorry, in a bit of a cynical mood this morning. 

 

More often than not, most of the wild speculators seem to me to also be the ones with the lowest expectation and less heavy dissapointment reactions... dont worry about us wild speculators, the over analysing mind is often also a very skeptical mind ( even on own theories ;) )

 

In a vacuum, there is nothing in that tease that would sign to exodites out of the blue.. the reason I mentioned earlier the remotely possible link with the cowboy hat isnt because I speculate from the tease, but I speculate from the rumor towards the tease, and the lack of other more obvious things for the tease. If we where still waiting for Genestealer cults, Id 100% think to look there rather than exodites for a cowboy hat.
And while I want to mention Exodites as often as possible, even with the rumor getting more likely with the deathwatch team, there would be almost no sense in it being shown now, as the same rumor has Deathwatch vs Necrons, and with the exception of the kind of different inquisitors vs cultists box, we get one kill team matchup at a time.

However, that too is part of my speculation... what if teams are correct, but the matchups arent, less likely imho, but it happened before.

 

Despite me theorising so much about it however, if I had to put it in numbers... I think the chance of the cowboy hat being exodites is less than 5%. Its the Harlequin hat that makes it more curious, its now also "confirmed" it is not Flesheater courts, wich was imho the likeliest candidate of it all. Its possibly something not eldar related, but compared to the cowboy hat its much more on the nose if it is, and there is also less competition for what it could be. 

 

This theory listing is not the things that I necessarily expect, though I dont score them as low possibilities either, but the possibilities I can see IF the harlequin hat is indeed a reference to Harlequins after careful thinking ( but at the bottom, responding to LSM, I also have a theory where it isnt, wich might be more likely ) :

 

Sylandri Veilwalker
The most likely theory that could have evaded rumors ( or even is the "corsair psyker" rumor, though I hope not, they need a generic HQ ), Sylandri veilwalker finally getting a character isnt the weirdest thing to happen.. end of edition campaigns usually (always?) also included new characters, and she has been a central figure in a lot of end of edition campaigns before, as well as other stories, and while she skipped the last one, she is a figure of importance to both Prince Yriel ( whom is rumored ) and Lady Malys ( who we know is coming, and even has a hint of the "veiled path" in one of the head options. ) but even more than just being a likely candidate for an end of edition character, she is an ideal candidate for an early stage of the end of editon as well as someone who could come alongside the corsair wave we already know is rumored. The chance of this I score much higher than the other 3 below.

 

Mimes Kill team

Mimes kill team wouldnt be beyond the realms of possibility, they are a regular Deathwatch foil and they would fit a boxset rumored "Dead Silence" but they arent the rumored opposition for Deathwatch, and while I could see that rumor as slightly off.. the fact there is a pharaoh hat makes it not so likely. Its also unlikely they come in a same season with exodites.. though not impossible. ( especially as I think there will be an eldar/webway element to upcoming narratives )

 

Ynnari Kill team

This one actually could be part of the rumors, as this could be what is called the exodites kill team. Kind of like the Sanctifiers kill team it could have exodites (with pets), harlequins, corsairs and others among it. Same rumors contradiction applies though. This is also where the cowboy hat being exodites could come in. While there are more links to its likelyness of excisting in a vacuum I see it less likely than a Mimes kill team outside of it. And as said, it doesnt sound likely the matchup is anything but Deathwatch vs Necrons.

 

Warhammer Quest 40k 2.0 ( + Harlequin hero character )

This goes beyond the harlequin hat, but imagine the guy without glasses his hats are all related to one thing, the heroes of a new warhammer quest game :
- Deathwatch character, Votann character, Psyker, Corsair/pirate (eldar or not), Harlequin and a Gunslinger of sorts. ( a proper skitari cowboy would be quite cool )
Its not the weirdest line up for heroes. ( and some can double-dip.. BSF was lead by a corsair hero shortly after Kill team had a corsair team ) however, would this really have a complete absence of rumors.. that I doubt.

 

 

And yes, despite the hats probably being more not 40k than 40k, I focus on eldar elements, but, my actual expectation is that we wont see any eldar at the show at all. Its not the rumored matchup for Deathwatch in kill team, the end of edition campaign stuff is at its fastest still months away, wich I think is too early to be revealed now ( though it could be teased.) Dark eldar codex is probably later than that, but I can see the show as being the place to properly show the leaked Malys. ( you know, maybe the harlequin hat just represents her... she is a vessel of sorts for Cegorach after all.... )

 

Im definitely aware Im reaching. But with most of it we are all reaching, every single one of us participating in the topic, even those that say none of the hats mean anything/ they all represent things for chaos dwarves/we will probably get a dissapointing showing are reaching, negative speculation is no less realistic than positive speculation is. we know when we know, and until then we have fun with the speculation game.

 

One thing we can expect, is that there wont be more than 3 at max actual "ranges" shown off. With chaos dwarves already taking one spot, and likely marines for the other. Everything else is one-offs or only teases probably. Thats why I think stuff like "vampire coast" "solar auxilia" etc. are unlikely despite some hats fitting perfectly, as they wouldnt be one-offs ( wich most of the eldar theories would be). As there are candidates higher up for them; HH custodes and 40k Votann. Its still just speculation ofcourse.

 

On 7/6/2025 at 4:09 PM, LSM said:

 

Mordheim had a pair of Highwayman models (IIRC from the Empire in Flames supplement). 

 

Though I think they had bicorns, not tricorns...

 

Yep, I had discovered this after my last thoughts about it.. posted this on TGA 2 days ago as well, but coming back to the Harlequin hat theories above.

 

Another likely candidate for the Harlequin hat is ALSO from Mordheim : the Carnival of chaos.

And it is kind of a good matchup for a storylined boxset as well, Highwaymen robbing a caravan of chariots only to discover the victims arent the easiest victims. And there have been rumors of warcry not returning because its "niche" being replaced by something else. Though I'd think this would be FW/SGS not main.

 

The hat not exactly matching shouldnt be a problem, I dont think the hats should be taken that literal. Deathwatch members usually dont wear caps. And while it would be fun, Chaos dwarves likely wont wear victorian top hats.

 

This is not the first time they used hats in a promo, the exact same pirate hat has been used in the funny Eldar corsairs teaser video previously, despite none of them having a pirate hat. ( only Yvraine does, but Im the only one who sees her headdress as an abstraction of a pirate hat XD )

 

 

Despite that one last thing, I do the exact opposite of what I just said, another candidate for the cowboy hat is :

 

I said it before so Im echoing, I could see the Deathwatch kill team being more of an Ordo xenos kill team lead by an inquisitor ( but still mostly deathwatch marines.) it would fulfil another resin miniature quota.. and for kill team makes the kill team stand out from other marine kill teams. While the other hat is more recognisable for inquisition I always head canoned myself that that was a "hereticus" head, while this one is more an ordo xenos head. 

 

Once again, enough walls of text from me for now. ;) 

[TheMawr]

8 hours ago, LSM said:

Out-of-the-box pirate thought: Huron Blackheart?

 

He was rumored to potentially come with the end of edition campaign I believe. I think the pirates will come hand in hand.... well.. probably not literally.

But I think the Yriel+corsairs rumors and Huron blackheart are from one such end of edition books. I also think we may have seen rumor engines of him.

 

When looking at the dates of end of edition campaigns, they really are all over the place, so I must retract my previous statements that its too early... it can go either way ( I though they always started around october/november with only Arks of Omen being late, but its more diverse in both directions of time :

 

End times started in August
While Gathering Storm started in January, the named by GW "time of ending" narrative started with the Death Masque boxset in August and included Traitors hate, Angels blade and Wrath of Magnus, the gathering storm books where considered the finale of the time of ending ( wich they explecitely promised was not equivalent to the end times despite chosing a similar but non-printed word for it XD )
Malign Portents was 1 book in February, but, that edition of AoS had constant campaign books, it was a different situation.
Psychic Awakening started in October
Broken realms started in November, but I seem to remember it was delayed. I think one of the later books in the campaign was delayed now that I think about it more.
Arks of Omen started in January I think ? or was it december ?
Dawnbringers started in September

Edited July 7 by TheMawr

[Mmmmm Napalm]

A Deathwatch Kill Team for Kill Team would be excellent, as I feel the loyalist power-armored KT's have been lacking up to this point. The AoD unit roster is rather plain and restrictive wargear-wise, and I don't like phobos.

[ZeroWolf]

Ark of Omens started in December with Abaddon. It was revealed the previous November as well. Book 2 was well timed with the World Eaters release. 

[Dark Shepherd]

I really like the idea of them hat teasing BSF 2 heroes

 

Dunno though if Heresy is taking up a lot of specialist games resources even with warcry gone or if next Quest game is AOS to make up for that/introduce new models

 

All that said, Space Hulk seems like such an open goal for a release

[Marshal Reinhard]

9 hours ago, Vassakov said:

Seriously, there are 7 game systems at least, so the majority of the stuff is not going to be for 40k. It's fine to rampantly speculate, as long as you acknowledge that you're building up totally unrealistic expectations and when it turns out that the thing you were really hoping for existed only in your imagination, not to blame GW or Eddie and Adam or whoever for "letting you down" when, in fact, a full Exodites army was not revealed.

 

Sorry, in a bit of a cynical mood this morning. 

I feel you're missing the rather obvious "Just because someone offers a possible 40k explanation for each given hat hint, it does not automatically equate to that said person believes that all or even most of the hats will necessarily be a hint towards a 40k release"

[Mmmmm Napalm]

Regarding the rumored deathwatch kill team, what are  y'alls guesses regarding the exact form it will take? Upgrade sprue for the 2014/15 DW box? Upgrade sprue for a primaris kit? Entirely new kit?

 

Obviously a 100% new kit would be cool. I think it would be best if it were slightly upscaled mk. 8. If it was composed of mk. X guys, I'd hope they would have tons of unique details reminiscent of the current kit to firmly establish them as DW: chestplates with the pouches and ammunition, no plain aquilas, backpacks with the targeting cameras, etc.

 

Of course, the existing DW kit has aged a little better than the rest of the oldmarine range due to being less squat and slightly taller, but the proportions are still a bit lackluster relative to primaris and the new HH miniatures in my opinion. Its definitely not a kit that is in imminent need of retirement or anything.

 

Would be a bit disappointing if it were an existing primaris kit + an updated DW upgrade sprue, but I see that as the most likely option. My reasoning is that the termie pauldrons in the existing sprue are too small for the updated termies, so a new, larger DW upgrade sprue a la DA and BA would make sense.

Edited July 8 by Mmmmm Napalm

[CL_Mission]

14 hours ago, TheMawr said:

In a vacuum, there is nothing in that tease that would sign to exodites out of the blue.. the reason I mentioned earlier the remotely possible link with the cowboy hat isnt because I speculate from the tease, but I speculate from the rumor towards the tease, and the lack of other more obvious things for the tease. If we where still waiting for Genestealer cults, Id 100% think to look there rather than exodites for a cowboy hat.

We've had Genestealer Cults for 40k but have we had them for Kill Team recently? Their last team was an upgrade sprue right? They would make a suitable opponent for Deathwatch (Deathwatch Overkill remacth!) so you could easuly have a cowboy themed Kill Team. I don't think it will be them or rather I'm hoping the Necrons more than GSC but if we're talking wild hat speculation I don't think you can completely right them off.

[TheMawr]

2 minutes ago, Mmmmm Napalm said:

Regarding the rumored deathwatch kill team, what are  y'alls guesses regarding the exact form it will take? Upgrade sprue for the 2014/15 DW box? Upgrade sprue for a primaris kit? Entirely new kit?

 

Obviously a 100% new kit would be cool. I think it would be best if it were slightly upscaled mk. 8. If it was composed of mk. X guys, I'd hope they would have tons of unique details to firmly establish them as DW.

 

Of course, the exisiting DW kit has aged a little better than the rest of the oldmarine range due to being less squat and slightly taller, but proportions-wise I think both primaris and the HH range have it beat. 

 

Would be a bit disappointing if it were an existing primaris kit + an updated DW upgrade sprue, but I see that as the most likely option. My reasoning is that the termie pauldrons in the existing sprue are too small for the updated termies, so a new, larger DW upgrade sprue a la DA and BA would make sense.

 

If its the first box of the next season it will be an entirely new kit, these have always been entirely new kits and I think it would be not well received if they are removing so many bespoke kits and then start replacing it with only upgrade sprue kits. Last season they completely abandoned upgrade sprues, and I do hope they keep doing new kits only. Though the berzerker kill team rumor has me in doubt, as that implies going back to one side being upgrade sprues.

 

 

There is a non-ignorable chance ofcourse that its an Ashes of Faith style release, and not the first box of the next season at all. There are some similarities of how they appear in the rumorverse, their late addition to the rumors and subsequent quicker release before longer rumored teams is something Ashes of Faith had as well, likewise that one side isnt composed of a single unit, but at least two existing ones, one of wich recent.

Also keep in mind that this release was well in development when GW removed deathwatch as a seperate spacemarine supplement, I saw people theorise the Deathwatch veterans where sold out online indicating an update, but it could also indicate changing the kit sku to imperial agents.

 

But even Ashes of Faith had new miniatures, however, I'd think that if this is an ashes of faith situation, it might be the place where we get a plastic Inquisitor and maybe updated Lokhust destroyers. ( though the necron side being called melee focused makes that one less likely.) But no new deathwatch except maybe an upgrade sprue.

 

On the other hand it could be the new season starterbox, and the teams are new Deathwatch vs new Lych guard or as I mentioned earlier something new that could be mistaken for lychguard, with the Skorpekh destroyer part being an ogryn situation, But even in such a case, I think there is a chance its not primarised deathwatch veterans, but rather a new DW unit.. maybe not even primaris, but rather building onto the veterans, but a much higher spec-ops/black-ops vibe. 

 

However, the store changed for deathwatch recently, I cant remember if its more or less than it was previously, but its a very specific selection of spacemarine kits. Based on the selection present ( if it isnt just completely random.) Id think that, IF primaris, the DW kill team is phobos based DW specific hybrid of veterans and phobos infiltrators, with sniper options built into the kit/team. Maybe even a Black templar crusaders style thing with scouts.

 

I think this one might be part of it either way, but I cant explain why I have that feeling :

 

Anyway if its an Ashes of Faith situation, at least there is a good chance the turn around from rumor to release is quick. ( because if its the new season, you'd at least have to wait 2 more months till september ) 

[TheMawr]

1 hour ago, CL_Mission said:

We've had Genestealer Cults for 40k but have we had them for Kill Team recently? Their last team was an upgrade sprue right? They would make a suitable opponent for Deathwatch (Deathwatch Overkill remacth!) so you could easuly have a cowboy themed Kill Team. I don't think it will be them or rather I'm hoping the Necrons more than GSC but if we're talking wild hat speculation I don't think you can completely right them off.

 

The upgrade sprue was quite recent I think it was the last set of last edition .. so a year old now ? But I dont think recency of a previous release is a big factor in kill team. There have been several factions that got a kill team shortly after another... tempestus scions/Ratlings was also a short succesion.

 

You are right, I think I wasnt clear enough in that sentence that in that specific part of text Id also mean their lack of rumors, as the exodite part was also only in reference to rumors of them existing. its not just GSC ( GSC cowboy team would be excellent though ), for kill team especially... Votann and Admech both could have more on the nose wild west elements too.. Orks even.. I mean.. Cow Boyz.

 

 

or

 

 

Kowboy Kroot !?

Edited July 8 by TheMawr

[Indy Techwisp]

1 hour ago, Mmmmm Napalm said:

Regarding the rumored deathwatch kill team, what are  y'alls guesses regarding the exact form it will take? Upgrade sprue for the 2014/15 DW box? Upgrade sprue for a primaris kit? Entirely new kit?

 

Obviously a 100% new kit would be cool. I think it would be best if it were slightly upscaled mk. 8. If it was composed of mk. X guys, I'd hope they would have tons of unique details reminiscent of the current kit to firmly establish them as DW: chestplates with the pouches and ammunition, no plain aquilas, backpacks with the targeting cameras, etc.

 

Of course, the existing DW kit has aged a little better than the rest of the oldmarine range due to being less squat and slightly taller, but the proportions are still a bit lackluster relative to primaris and the new HH miniatures in my opinion. Its definitely not a kit that is in imminent need of retirement or anything.

 

Would be a bit disappointing if it were an existing primaris kit + an updated DW upgrade sprue, but I see that as the most likely option. My reasoning is that the termie pauldrons in the existing sprue are too small for the updated termies, so a new, larger DW upgrade sprue a la DA and BA would make sense.

 

So far all of this editions Killteams have been new models and not upgrade sprues.
With that in mind, I could see this simply being a "Primaris Veterans" team and it's just the DW Veterans update.

 

That said, we could also just... get a DW upgrade sprue as well since they do need a Primaris scale sprue after all.

[Nephaston]

Speaking of DW kill teams, I could also see them just formalising Fortis, Indomitor, and Spectrus Veriants with a dedicated kit each, most likely starting with Fortis and adding some fancy new stuff so you can't simply use your existing kits

[TheMawr]

2 hours ago, Nephaston said:

Speaking of DW kill teams, I could also see them just formalising Fortis, Indomitor, and Spectrus Veriants with a dedicated kit each, most likely starting with Fortis and adding some fancy new stuff so you can't simply use your existing kits

 

Possible, but then I'd think Spectrus is the first through kill team... spectrus fits better with a Dead Silence name, and it would replace the phobos kill team ( and probably means wolf scouts does not, as that was a different rumor source. ) 

 

The weirdness remains though, if they do this now they also knew they where doing this for a couple of years, so also when they removed deathwatch as a standalone army, perhaps they where always planning to have those kill teams for Imperial agents eventually, but then why not include them in that codex in the current form ( since they currently use excisting models anyway.)  but to me details like this as well as the necron side rumors, keep leading me back to this being an Ashes of Faith like thing and/or the deathwatch kill team being designed to be an Imperial agents kill team first, spacemarine kill team second. ( if this makes sense what I mean )

 

( for reference I have the link of when they promised to return the deathwatch as a free index here https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/hkfohngw/watch-an-all-new-animated-vignette-the-enemy-without-a-deathwatch-vignette/ )

While I cant find when they "squatted" deathwatch, its just too little time to completely plan, make and produce something that returns to the "old". Im pretty sure at that time the entirety of the coming Kill team season was already planned and in development, if not even ready with all that starting to go to the production cycle.

 

Its a curious thing really. ( mind you that I do agree Deathwatch need to be in kill team, whatever codex they are part off, and while I dislike too many spacemarines in Kill Team, Deathwatch should always have been the marine representative to kill team as ultramarines are to 40k.. despite lacking the iconography, even the Angels of death kill team feels more deathwatch than ultramarine to me... especially ultramarines feel so wrong for it though cant explain very well why.)

 

edit :
Though thinking about it more, the very same ordeal last year I assume they themselves realise that it would be in poor taste to hint Deathwatch so blatantly, if there isnt at least something new that is actually deathwatch.

 

 

btw

I noticed that the first suggestion for teasers that was cut off says "maybe we can send an astropathic..." but then interrupted with a "Woah Woah Woah Im way ahead of you"

 

The other texts might not be hints, but Im now pretty sure this one is ( ofcourse in relation to the fact we have a war within the webway boxset rumor for 30k.. after all that exact same suggestion kicked of that war ;) )

However I think it could be for legion imperialis ( but I think I mentioned this before when I linked the conehat to it ) tiny Talons vs tiny Ruinstorm. it might get some new audience for the game.

Edited July 9 by TheMawr

[Indy Techwisp]

16 hours ago, TheMawr said:

 

Possible, but then I'd think Spectrus is the first through kill team... spectrus fits better with a Dead Silence name, and it would replace the phobos kill team ( and probably means wolf scouts does not, as that was a different rumor source. ) 

 

The weirdness remains though, if they do this now they also knew they where doing this for a couple of years, so also when they removed deathwatch as a standalone army, perhaps they where always planning to have those kill teams for Imperial agents eventually, but then why not include them in that codex in the current form ( since they currently use excisting models anyway.)  but to me details like this as well as the necron side rumors, keep leading me back to this being an Ashes of Faith like thing and/or the deathwatch kill team being designed to be an Imperial agents kill team first, spacemarine kill team second. ( if this makes sense what I mean )

 

( for reference I have the link of when they promised to return the deathwatch as a free index here https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/hkfohngw/watch-an-all-new-animated-vignette-the-enemy-without-a-deathwatch-vignette/ )

While I cant find when they "squatted" deathwatch, its just too little time to completely plan, make and produce something that returns to the "old". Im pretty sure at that time the entirety of the coming Kill team season was already planned and in development, if not even ready with all that starting to go to the production cycle.

 

Its a curious thing really. ( mind you that I do agree Deathwatch need to be in kill team, whatever codex they are part off, and while I dislike too many spacemarines in Kill Team, Deathwatch should always have been the marine representative to kill team as ultramarines are to 40k.. despite lacking the iconography, even the Angels of death kill team feels more deathwatch than ultramarine to me... especially ultramarines feel so wrong for it though cant explain very well why.)

 

edit :
Though thinking about it more, the very same ordeal last year I assume they themselves realise that it would be in poor taste to hint Deathwatch so blatantly, if there isnt at least something new that is actually deathwatch.

 

 

btw

I noticed that the first suggestion for teasers that was cut off says "maybe we can send an astropathic..." but then interrupted with a "Woah Woah Woah Im way ahead of you"

 

The other texts might not be hints, but Im now pretty sure this one is ( ofcourse in relation to the fact we have a war within the webway boxset rumor for 30k.. after all that exact same suggestion kicked of that war ;) )

However I think it could be for legion imperialis ( but I think I mentioned this before when I linked the conehat to it ) tiny Talons vs tiny Ruinstorm. it might get some new audience for the game.

 

Just want to point out that the Deathwatch Reddit have identified what's changed with the Deathwatch page on the site:

 

The firstborn Deathwatch Veterans kit is gone.

 

So that's probably what the DW KT will be replacing/updating.

 

Which is all well and good but how come KT Cassius is still on the site then?

That got sent to Legends and is still up and avaliable.

It got a restock even.

[Bouargh]

On 7/5/2025 at 12:10 AM, TheMawr said:

 

Ofcourse, its 7 systems on show... I also dont think those that are ( or might be 40k ) are all full on reveals either.

Listing the known/expectable things  for those 7 systems ( only minimally listing rumors here )

 

[...]
HH - ? They teased something Admech and something Custodes previously.. more things will be plastic
[...]

 

It might be but, shoud it be,  I hope it would not come alone. I would be delighted by an annoucmeent of a plastix Vulturax for example. It disappeared from the Online store shelves for so long...