The Big Summer Warhammer Preview - July 18th.

[Bryan Blaire]

On 7/8/2025 at 8:24 AM, TheMawr said:

You are right, I think I wasnt clear enough in that sentence that in that specific part of text Id also mean their lack of rumors, as the exodite part was also only in reference to rumors of them existing. its not just GSC ( GSC cowboy team would be excellent though ), for kill team especially... Votann and Admech both could have more on the nose wild west elements too.. Orks even.. I mean.. Cow Boyz.

 

 

or

 

 

Kowboy Kroot !?

You know, I didn’t know that I wanted To see cowboy AdMech, Orks, or Kroot…

 

But now I do.

 

 

Hats off to you, TheMawr!

[gortonsfisherman]

I hope one I’ve these hats is a new 40k based warhammer quest, maybe the tricorn hat is ordo hereticus to pair with the upcoming Dark Heresy from owl cat.

Edited July 10 by gortonsfisherman

[DarkMark]

Had to laugh today looking at the how to expand your starter box. How can they with a straight face recommend anything from their webstore? I understand items may be fast movers, but there is literally nothing in stock. 

[Northern Walker]

Interesting times to have a preview when midden and windmill have met for the Heresy. 40k is also in a pants state, but maybe I'm in the minority there. At least the models have mostly been good.

[Indy Techwisp]

3 hours ago, Northern Walker said:

Interesting times to have a preview when midden and windmill have met for the Heresy. 40k is also in a pants state, but maybe I'm in the minority there. At least the models have mostly been good.

 

IMO 40k is in a better place now than edition start.

Also, Killteam's doing decently plus AoS and TOW are killing it, so it's not all bad news for the systems they're showing off.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

16 hours ago, Indy Techwisp said:

 

IMO 40k is in a better place now than edition start.

Also, Killteam's doing decently plus AoS and TOW are killing it, so it's not all bad news for the systems they're showing off.

2 months into the edition I knew what were current rules for my army.

[Alby the Slayer]

I'm just waiting for something to leaks before the preview and I'm hoping it will not be the case this time. 

I hate it when it happens, I do prefer to wait and see it properly.

[Mmmmm Napalm]

On 7/7/2025 at 5:01 PM, Mmmmm Napalm said:

A Deathwatch Kill Team for Kill Team would be excellent, as I feel the loyalist power-armored KT's have been lacking up to this point. The AoD unit roster is rather plain and restrictive wargear-wise, and I don't like phobos.

yknow, deathwatch losing a lot of their mk 8 flavor would be a real shame, but if there's any change they could make that would drive me up the wall it would be replacing their unique boltguns,

 

primaris have come a long way but their weapon designs remain frustratingly homogenized; grimaldus' unique plasma pistol being replaced with a generic primaris version comes to mind. 

[Nephaston]

5 hours ago, Mmmmm Napalm said:

primaris have come a long way but their weapon designs remain frustratingly homogenized; grimaldus' unique plasma pistol being replaced with a generic primaris version comes to mind. 

I get what you're are saying, but isn't grimaldus old pistol a standard plasma pistol with two scopes? Chances are if they kept that design some people would have screamed "Tacticool" and frothed themselves into a coma.

[Mmmmm Napalm]

20 minutes ago, Nephaston said:

I get what you're are saying, but isn't grimaldus old pistol a standard plasma pistol with two scopes? Chances are if they kept that design some people would have screamed "Tacticool" and frothed themselves into a coma.

I don't think there would have been such a response to any noticeable degree. And besides, better to stick with the older design, which at least had something unique, however minor it may be. I'd take *something* over unique characters having the exact same plasma pistol that comes in every other primaris kit. Captain Messinius' blinged up pistol was a nice change of pace, I'd like to see more of that 

[Vassakov]

I don't think Grimaldus ever had a unique plasma pistol, the old model had a scope on it but in game terms it was always just a regular (or Master Crafted) Plasma pistol.

 

Yes, the new model has the Primaris-era design cues, but the old one... was also just a regularly designed plasma pistol?

[Indy Techwisp]

6 hours ago, Mmmmm Napalm said:

yknow, deathwatch losing a lot of their mk 8 flavor would be a real shame, but if there's any change they could make that would drive me up the wall it would be replacing their unique boltguns,

 

primaris have come a long way but their weapon designs remain frustratingly homogenized; grimaldus' unique plasma pistol being replaced with a generic primaris version comes to mind. 

 

The main feature of Mk8 Armour seems to be the Gorget which is something we've seen some Mk10 Armour have.

A lot of the rest of the differences seem to have become Standard Primaris stuff from what I can find.

Still, we've seen Primaris minis that have essentially "updated" Armour bits from past Marks in the Sternguard kit and if this is just updated DW Veterans then I'd expect they also get the "Veteran old armour bits" treatment.

 

As for the unique boltguns...

DW already have unique "Deathwatch Boltrifles" per the rules which we technically don't have a design for, so the updated Veterans could have their own new unique Bolters.

[MoriyaSchism]

So what's going to happen to the Kill Teams they still sell like Novitiates once they announce the new season? A bunch of teams will be rotated out of the new season and I'm worried I won't be able to buy any of the older Kill Team units. 

[DemonGSides]

Usually the older kits get folded back into 40k whenever possible, but there are definitely things like the Gellerpox Infected that just sort of disappear into the aether.

[Indy Techwisp]

12 minutes ago, MoriyaSchism said:

So what's going to happen to the Kill Teams they still sell like Novitiates once they announce the new season? A bunch of teams will be rotated out of the new season and I'm worried I won't be able to buy any of the older Kill Team units. 

AFAIK every team from the current season has also been a full kit in 40k.

[Mmmmm Napalm]

2 hours ago, Vassakov said:

I don't think Grimaldus ever had a unique plasma pistol, the old model had a scope on it but in game terms it was always just a regular (or Master Crafted) Plasma pistol.

 

Yes, the new model has the Primaris-era design cues, but the old one... was also just a regularly designed plasma pistol?

i was not referring to weapon stats. i get his old pistol wasnt the most unique looking thing in the world, but if the updated modelehad retained it, instead of getting a primaris style pistol, it would have been an additional unique element of the sculpt. I think that just copy+pasting new version of  a given gun for every character that was equipped with said weapon is a loss of potential visual variety and detail in the setting.

Edited Tuesday at 07:46 PM by Mmmmm Napalm

[DemonGSides]

24 minutes ago, Mmmmm Napalm said:

i was not referring to weapon stats. i get his old pistol wasnt the most unique looking thing in the world, but if the updated modelehad retained it, instead of getting a primaris style pistol, it would have been an additional unique element of the sculpt. I think that just copy+pasting new version of  a given gun for every character that was equipped with said weapon is a loss of potential visual variety and detail in the setting.

 

I will admit Grimaldus has always had a scope on his plasma pistol (Other than the scope, it's a pretty plain plasma pistol with a chain attached to it, which I think the model does justify otherwise).  Thankfully scopes aren't hard to source and it is a crafting hobby, that if it's that important, it's easy to rectify.

That being said, the dude is quite literally dripping in references otherwise, so getting hung up on that singular thing is a little weird.  ESPECIALLY a gun that is routinely known to explode.  I always felt like weaponry looking a bit homogenized made more sense, and I prefer finding more character in the armor and the heraldry and their panoply; which sure, the weapon is part of, but as long as they've got some flavor elsewhere, it's not impossible that they just grabbed a random Plasma Pistol because their real bespoke weapon is their crozius, or their fancy sword.  I don't think there's ANY heroes that have 0 bespoke gear of any kind, which would be a lot closer to the idea of 'homogenization' that you're talking about.

Edited Tuesday at 08:02 PM by DemonGSides

[Mmmmm Napalm]

2 hours ago, Indy Techwisp said:

 

 

As for the unique boltguns...

DW already have unique "Deathwatch Boltrifles" per the rules which we technically don't have a design for, so the updated Veterans could have their own new unique Bolters.

the prospect of more carbine/traditional length boltgun erasure is harrowing indeed, especially considering how the new grey hunters recently demonstrated how good marines look with carbine length boltguns. obv if they give you te option of either carbines or rifles that would be fine, but if its only rifles i think i'll replace them with the bolters+arms from the previous deathwatch kit. 

[Mmmmm Napalm]

2 minutes ago, DemonGSides said:

 

I will admit Grimaldus has always had a scope on his plasma pistol (Other than the scope, it's a pretty plain plasma pistol with a chain attached to it, which I think the model does justify otherwise).  Thankfully scopes aren't hard to source and it is a crafting hobby, that if it's that important, it's easy to rectify.

That being said, the dude is quite literally dripping in references otherwise, so getting hung up on that singular thing is a little weird.

i was just using grimaldus as an example of a broader phenomenon among primaris updates because he was the first model that came to mind. his new pistol doesnt ruin the model for me, i think his update is great along with the rest of the BT range, which when it came out was everything id ever hoped for. the broader point i intended to make wasnt about grimaldus specifically.

[DemonGSides]

11 minutes ago, Mmmmm Napalm said:

the prospect of more carbine/traditional length boltgun erasure is harrowing indeed, especially considering how the new grey hunters recently demonstrated how good marines look with carbine length boltguns. obv if they give you te option of either carbines or rifles that would be fine, but if its only rifles i think i'll replace them with the bolters+arms from the previous deathwatch kit. 

 

I use FB boltguns as Heavy Bolt Pistols and they work pretty perfect.  My Death company are all wielding FB DC kit bolters one handed and they look pretty legit, imo.  The 'erasure' is more or less re-scaling.  Firstborn are quite wee in today's day and age, as was their weaponry.

 

6 minutes ago, Mmmmm Napalm said:

i was just using grimaldus as an example of a broader phenomenon among primaris updates because he was the first model that came to mind. his new pistol doesnt ruin the model for me, i think his update is great along with the rest of the BT range, which when it came out was everything id ever hoped for. the broader point i intended to make wasnt about grimaldus specifically.

 

You've got an example of one; Mephiston's Plasma Pistol is also pretty plain, but he's not known for his plasma pistol, he's known for his sword.  Similarly, I don't think Grimaldus is really KNOWN for his pistol, though I do agree he had a slightly fancier one.  Easily rectifiable if it matters, but even as you said, it doesn't really matter; it doesn't ruin the model, it doesn't look out of place, it actually makes more sense than a scoped pistol (Which of course there are IRL versions, but none of us are space marines).

Guys with guns that are important to their character often have a bespoke take on their weapon; Dante's pistol is a known thing and it's bespoke.  Azrael's bullpup bolt rifle.  Helbrecht's combi-whatever being toted by his cute lil guy.  There's plenty of examples of guns that are not exact replicas of what they are, just as long as the gun is actually important to the character.  Grimaldus is more about that Crozius, so he's got a cool crozius.  

Edited Tuesday at 08:08 PM by DemonGSides

[CL_Mission]

If Assault Terminators are revealed this week which kind of Lightning Claws do you think or hope we'll see them wielding.

I have a soft sport for B, the knuckle duster type, because my older Deathwing Termies have them but I really prefer type A since I think they just look better, I also think they are what the new Assault Termies will have.

I don't really think there is any chance we'll see the long, sharp finger type like C but I thought I best include them for completions sake.

 

 

[Marshal Reinhard]

1 hour ago, DemonGSides said:

 

I use FB boltguns as Heavy Bolt Pistols and they work pretty perfect.  My Death company are all wielding FB DC kit bolters one handed and they look pretty legit, imo.  The 'erasure' is more or less re-scaling.  Firstborn are quite wee in today's day and age, as was their weaponry.

 

 

You've got an example of one; Mephiston's Plasma Pistol is also pretty plain, but he's not known for his plasma pistol, he's known for his sword.  Similarly, I don't think Grimaldus is really KNOWN for his pistol, though I do agree he had a slightly fancier one.  Easily rectifiable if it matters, but even as you said, it doesn't really matter; it doesn't ruin the model, it doesn't look out of place, it actually makes more sense than a scoped pistol (Which of course there are IRL versions, but none of us are space marines).

Guys with guns that are important to their character often have a bespoke take on their weapon; Dante's pistol is a known thing and it's bespoke.  Azrael's bullpup bolt rifle.  Helbrecht's combi-whatever being toted by his cute lil guy.  There's plenty of examples of guns that are not exact replicas of what they are, just as long as the gun is actually important to the character.  Grimaldus is more about that Crozius, so he's got a cool crozius.  

Even so I feel with a lot of primaris characters, especially chapter specific ones, that they should lean into making their weapons less plain. With new grimaldus's pistol, its literally the standard primaris plasma pistol and a chain. Would it have hurt to add a scope to it? How about a small sculpted cross? Why is the backpack on both new characters, just plain? Again couldn't we've had some form of unique ornamentation, however subtle?

 

Blood angel's captain get like a blood drop on both his pistol designs as I recall?

 

Edited Tuesday at 09:54 PM by Marshal Reinhard

[Agramar_The_Luna_Wolf]

I hope A. I don't like B. And C,it's OK but I don't know if that type can work in a Imperial miniature.

[Marshal Reinhard]

10 minutes ago, CL_Mission said:

If Assault Terminators are revealed this week which kind of Lightning Claws do you think or hope we'll see them wielding.

I have a soft sport for B, the knuckle duster type, because my older Deathwing Termies have them but I really prefer type A since I think they just look better, I also think they are what the new Assault Termies will have.

I don't really think there is any chance we'll see the long, sharp finger type like C but I thought I best include them for completions sake.

 

 

Definately A

[Joe]

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