New Terminator Box Rumour

[HeadlessCross]

16 hours ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

You’re looking at 9/18 attacks compared to 15/30 attacks and not nearly as durable.

i like aggressors, but they’re not better than terminators.

 

 

Not sure how you got those numbers. 2×3 Aggressors are 200 points, which is only 25 points more than the base squad of 5 Terminators. 

[HeadlessCross]

1 hour ago, Marshal Reinhard said:

I probably agree in every respect except....

 

Termies are just cooler.

If you consider worse proportions cooler, sure. Aggressor suits look like they actually function in a sumo wrestler type of fashion. 

[Nephaston]

4 minutes ago, HeadlessCross said:

If you consider worse proportions cooler, sure. Aggressor suits look like they actually function in a sumo wrestler type of fashion. 

 

The new terminators are only badly proportioned if one equates the pauldron to the actual shoulder (Ive seen some people assemble their terminators with the top of the pauldron aligned to where the shopulder would be, and it massively dislocates their arms)

 

Back when they were revealed I made this. The proportions are fine.

[Indy Techwisp]

Bit of a side note, but do the SW Terminators have a specific statline for the Thunderclaws or is it something like "Twin Power Weapon"?

[Karhedron]

Just twin Lightning Claws with the following statline.

 

Twin lightning claws [twin-linked]

Melee

6

3+

5

-2

1

[HeadlessCross]

32 minutes ago, Nephaston said:

 

The new terminators are only badly proportioned if one equates the pauldron to the actual shoulder (Ive seen some people assemble their terminators with the top of the pauldron aligned to where the shopulder would be, and it massively dislocates their arms)

 

Back when they were revealed I made this. The proportions are fine.

The new Terminators being better proportioned does not mean they're still accurate. Your red outline is on the assumption of a 2D figure, not the actual mini itself. You've seen them in person, correct?

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

7 hours ago, Orange Knight said:

I think Aggressors are far better than Terminators and I'm secretly hoping that Lysander is wearing Gravis armour when his model is updated.

 

More shooting attacks, more reliable close combat damage, better unit size. I think 6 Aggressors land better in the various transports than 5 or 10 Terminators.

 

The fact that both the shooting and melee is twin-linked means they can reliable cause damage against higher toughness targets, and their shooting is more reliable at clearing chaff that could bog them down, not to mention the increased AP which is a very useful rule.

 

There is literally no situation in which I would rather take Terminators.

 

Assault Terminators are a more interesting proposition, but still fall behind Aggressors when it comes to offensive power. In the 40k game there is far more value in dealing damage fast over being able to endure longer in close combat. The game has finite turns.

They might have slightly better damage output, but terminators are definitely more survivable.

[Nephaston]

4 minutes ago, HeadlessCross said:

The new Terminators being better proportioned does not mean they're still accurate. Your red outline is on the assumption of a 2D figure, not the actual mini itself. You've seen them in person, correct?

I've assembled multiple of them, and the only one where the head position compared to the shoulder position was a bit iffy was the monopose captain from the starter box.

It's not a comfortable fit, but a marine of regular proportions absolutely fits inside the new indomitus sculpts.

 

I also made a second one from the side in tandem with that first one.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

54 minutes ago, HeadlessCross said:

Not sure how you got those numbers. 2×3 Aggressors are 200 points, which is only 25 points more than the base squad of 5 Terminators. 

I didn’t say anything about points.

 

what do you mean you’re not sure where i got those numbers?

3 aggressors have 9 PF attacks.

6 aggressors have 18 PF attacks.

 

5 terminators have 15 PF attacks.

10 terminators have 30 PF attacks.

(guess I did forget about the sgt using a sword instead)

[Karhedron]

50 minutes ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

They might have slightly better damage output, but terminators are definitely more survivable.

 

More than slightly. Aggressors have significantly better damage output per point. Twin-linked on their attacks and an extra point of AP on the shooting is a decent step-up.

 

While you can run 10-man Terminator squads, they are hard to manoeuvre and cost a lot of points. Chaos armies sometimes ran a 10-man brick with Abaddon for a while but I haven't seen that build competitively recently.

[HeadlessCross]

59 minutes ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

I didn’t say anything about points.

 

what do you mean you’re not sure where i got those numbers?

3 aggressors have 9 PF attacks.

6 aggressors have 18 PF attacks.

 

5 terminators have 15 PF attacks.

10 terminators have 30 PF attacks.

(guess I did forget about the sgt using a sword instead)

The problem with your numbers is you're ignoring the points entirely. 

[Marshal Reinhard]

3 hours ago, HeadlessCross said:

If you consider worse proportions cooler, sure. Aggressor suits look like they actually function in a sumo wrestler type of fashion. 

I'd have agreed with you if were talking about older termie models, but the new indomnitus look like they fit the same size marine as my intercessor has.

 

And mind, I like Gravis armor. But I much prefer heavy intercessors to aggressors

[Wispy]

Prediction: new assault Terminators have their shield in the right hand, just to further make bits incompatible with Deathwing Knights and Wolf Guard who have their shield hands on the left.

 

My exhibit A 

Edited 14 hours ago by Wispy

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

3 hours ago, Karhedron said:

 

More than slightly. Aggressors have significantly better damage output per point. Twin-linked on their attacks and an extra point of AP on the shooting is a decent step-up.

 

While you can run 10-man Terminator squads, they are hard to manoeuvre and cost a lot of points. Chaos armies sometimes ran a 10-man brick with Abaddon for a while but I haven't seen that build competitively recently.

What extra AP?

they’re all AP0 shooting and AP-2 fists.

you mean from the ability?

That’s situational.

Edited 13 hours ago by Inquisitor_Lensoven

[Orange Knight]

6 hours ago, Marshal Reinhard said:

I probably agree in every respect except....

 

Termies are just cooler.

 

No question 

[Karhedron]

10 minutes ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

What extra AP?

 

Their special rule for shooting the closest target.

 

Close-quarters Firepower: Each time a model in this unit makes a ranged attack that targets the closest eligible target, improve the Armour Penetration characteristic of that attack by 1.

[Orange Knight]

2 hours ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

What extra AP?

they’re all AP0 shooting and AP-2 fists.

you mean from the ability?

That’s situational.

 

If by situational, you mean it will probably be used every time they make an attack?

 

Aggressors are short ranged units. It's extremely easy to position them in such a way as to almost always trigger the ability if they are in range of making a shooting attack.

 

Also, let's not under-estimate the impact of twin linked for the Fists.

6 Aggressors will inflict the same number of wounds in close combat against a toughness 8 or higher unit as 10 Terminators. 6 Aggressors also do better in shooting than 10 Terminators. 

 

So it's a significantly more offensive unit, point for point.

Edited 11 hours ago by Orange Knight

[ThaneOfTas]

53 minutes ago, Orange Knight said:

So it's a significantly more offensive unit, point for point.

Undeniably true mathematically. Unfortunately they're also significantly more offensive to my eyes.

[Interrogator Stobz]

The ol' subjective "Rule of Cool"   wins this argument, every time.

Enjoy your minis lads.

[Nephaston]

14 minutes ago, Interrogator Stobz said:

The ol' subjective "Rule of Cool"   wins this argument, every time.

Enjoy your minis lads.

It is my factually correct observation that;

My minis > other minis

[Indy Techwisp]

Wasn't this a thread about a rumoured Terminator box and not a Gravis vs Terminator discussion?

 

Have we had any further news on the box since Valrak posted?

[CaptainKolbasi]

3 hours ago, Indy Techwisp said:

Wasn't this a thread about a rumoured Terminator box and not a Gravis vs Terminator discussion?

 

Have we had any further news on the box since Valrak posted?

 

Only news I've heard is from Valrak.

 

Here's hoping we get Assault Terminators + terminator captains regaining TH+SS.

 

Somewhat unrelated, but I'm hopeful that each first founding chapter gets an upgrade kit on the level of the latest Templar/Blangels/etc ones.

[LSM]

11 hours ago, Nephaston said:

 

The new terminators are only badly proportioned if one equates the pauldron to the actual shoulder (Ive seen some people assemble their terminators with the top of the pauldron aligned to where the shopulder would be, and it massively dislocates their arms)

 

Back when they were revealed I made this. The proportions are fine.

 

[SNIP]

 

While the proportions aren't terrible, they're not as clear as Abaddon (where it's obvious that the shoulder pads are riding high).

 

 

[Sir Clausel]

1 hour ago, CaptainKolbasi said:

Here's hoping we get Assault Terminators + terminator captains regaining TH+SS.

 

Yes by the Emperor yes! Its such an iconic loadout that it isheresy that they cant have it. 

Also i have very cool mini i like to use!

Edited 5 hours ago by Sir Clausel

[Marshal Reinhard]

6 hours ago, LSM said:

 

While the proportions aren't terrible, they're not as clear as Abaddon (where it's obvious that the shoulder pads are riding high).

 

 

Abbadon still represents the best of thd best in terms of terminator models. The neo-terminators are not quite up to his perfection, but they're close enough.

 

He's quite literally built different.