New Terminator Box Rumour

[Marshal Reinhard]

It's also the shape of the Bladeguard shields. I just can't see terminators getting small square shields when even blade guard got that shape.

 

Sure, they could have something completely different, but I doubt it. I think that's general storm shield shape now, with specific chapters getting variants.

[MaximusTL]

Im fully in the camp that tactical terminators should have heavy bolters standard, not storm bolters. however, for rules purposes, i think you could change their profile to something like 'first company storm bolter' with A4 AP-1 d1 twin linked and it would make them alot more viable

[Karhedron]

2 hours ago, MaximusTL said:

Im fully in the camp that tactical terminators should have heavy bolters standard, not storm bolters. however, for rules purposes, i think you could change their profile to something like 'first company storm bolter' with A4 AP-1 d1 twin linked and it would make them alot more viable

 

Ap0 just doesn't cut the mustard on "elite" troops. Regular Intercessors get 4 shots with Ap-1 out to 24" as long as they do not split fire. Terminators get 4/2 shots at 12"/24" with Ap0. Even the Assault Cannon looking pretty weak these days and needs to fish for 6s to get anything done.

 

Terminators are OK in melee but the fact their shooting has no AP unless they take the missile launcher or heavy flamer is seriously underwhelming. For the cost of a Terminator squad you can get an Intercessor squad and a BGV squad which will have better shooting, more wounds, faster, easier to Transport and can go after 2 Objectives. Terminators are tougher and hit harder in melee but not enough to make up the difference.

 

GW have consistently overpriced generalist units, even if they aren't especially good.

[Indy Techwisp]

Did we get more info about the Terminator box that I've missed?

I've not seen any source for the Tactical or Devastator Terminators people are talking about here.

[Marshal Reinhard]

That nonsense is just people's wishes/complaints about the viability of terminators in general.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

4 minutes ago, Indy Techwisp said:

Did we get more info about the Terminator box that I've missed?

I've not seen any source for the Tactical or Devastator Terminators people are talking about here.

Tactical terminators are normal terminators.

theyre called that because they’re the terminator equivalent of a tactical squad (ie 1 special shooting option per 5, like tactical squads are.)

[Indy Techwisp]

5 minutes ago, Marshal Reinhard said:

That nonsense is just people's wishes/complaints about the viability of terminators in general.

 

I thought Terminators were doing pretty well this edition tho.

[DemonGSides]

15 minutes ago, Indy Techwisp said:

 

I thought Terminators were doing pretty well this edition tho.

 

No, not really.

Specialist terminators have shown some success (Deathwing Knights), and Chaos factions have had some good terminators (Deathshroud), but overall Terminators have sucked all edition long and that hasn't changed.

 

In both cases, its melee terminators that are doing alright, and that's true across the entire range of terminators.  A power fist is Good, we have always known that.  It's just a lot easier to find those power fists in better units, so the regular Terminators are meh.

Edited yesterday at 03:16 PM by DemonGSides

[Marshal Reinhard]

12 minutes ago, Indy Techwisp said:

 

I thought Terminators were doing pretty well this edition tho.

Too poor shooting for their cost I believe is the argument

[Karhedron]

Agreed, generally speaking Terminators have not been performing well. Deathwing Knights are significantly tougher than regular Terminators and have been showing up as anvil units in a decent number of lists. The fact that they can carry Anti-Vehicle/Monster maces means they are effective in melee too. They lose out on shooting attacks but as noted above, regular Terminator shooting is pretty poor so it is not a big drawback.

 

Wolf Guard Terminators look like they might be promising as they inflict -1 to Wound on incoming attacks of higher strength than their toughness. They can also trade out Stormbolters for Storm Shields but keep the Assault Cannon which is not too shabby. Probably not as good DWKs though.

[HeadlessCross]

50 minutes ago, Indy Techwisp said:

 

I thought Terminators were doing pretty well this edition tho.

No. It's either incredibly specific circumstances or it's chapter/legion specific Terminator variants because GW decided some armies deserve special treatment. 

Edited yesterday at 03:51 PM by Dr_Ruminahui
Removed inflammatory language

[HeadlessCross]

17 minutes ago, Karhedron said:

Agreed, generally speaking Terminators have not been performing well. Deathwing Knights are significantly tougher than regular Terminators and have been showing up as anvil units in a decent number of lists. The fact that they can carry Anti-Vehicle/Monster maces means they are effective in melee too. They lose out on shooting attacks but as noted above, regular Terminator shooting is pretty poor so it is not a big drawback.

 

Wolf Guard Terminators look like they might be promising as they inflict -1 to Wound on incoming attacks of higher strength than their toughness. They can also trade out Stormbolters for Storm Shields but keep the Assault Cannon which is not too shabby. Probably not as good DWKs though.

The Space Wolves Terminators melee is pretty poor though. Only one special axe thing, a Power Fist per five dudes, it ain't looking pretty. They're just a worse version of Blightlords (which can be argued to be tuned SUPER well, if not overtuned).

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

2 hours ago, DemonGSides said:

 

No, not really.

Specialist terminators have shown some success (Deathwing Knights), and Chaos factions have had some good terminators (Deathshroud), but overall Terminators have sucked all edition long and that hasn't changed.

 

In both cases, its melee terminators that are doing alright, and that's true across the entire range of terminators.  A power fist is Good, we have always known that.  It's just a lot easier to find those power fists in better units, so the regular Terminators are meh.

What other units are you getting the same number or comparable power fist attacks that are better than terminators?

[HeadlessCross]

3 hours ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

What other units are you getting the same number or comparable power fist attacks that are better than terminators?

A good example would be Hearthguard, where they lack just one Power Fist attack but have considerably better shooting and a special rule. They're also hardly used.