Drukhari and Webstore Weirdness?

[ursvamp]

19 minutes ago, Alby the Slayer said:

Why do you think we got to see lady malys sprue but never the box or the assembled model?

 

The person who got the sprue got it in a bulk purchase of several sprues sans boxes. And they were too unsure about the legality of it all, to actually assemble or paint it, once it was revealed what it was, and how unique it was.

 

on GW’s side I assume the reason why they haven’t showed off the official model (like they did with Dante and Fuegsn, after they leaked) is because it’s just a pic of an anonymous sprue at the moment. There’s no proof of what it actually is, and as such there’s plausible deniability from the company’s side.

No reason for them to reveal it earlier than they want to. (We saw the same thing with the Lord of Poxes, who leaked with just a sprue, and GW silence, until they had a fitting reveal show in which to show it off (unlike Dante&Fuegan, which leaked with full box art and everything)).

 

I don’t know what to make of the Drukhari-thing, either.

It really wouldn’t make sense to release a codex without a wave of model support, after this point in the edition (Gk&BT are cutting it close, but they’re still about a full year ahead of the edition change, and IK seems obviously to have been delayed for some reason, and never planned to be released this late).

But who knows?

We’re probably too far out from the dex for them to start revealing any models anyway. They usually keep focus on the next 1-2 upcoming releases, to max out the hype. So I’m guessing we won’t be seeing any Drukhari hints before Votann and/or the SM characters are on pre-order.

Edited July 24 by ursvamp

[ThePenitentOne]

Today, I noticed that the situation is worse now; Wracks are now GONE from the Canadian Website rather than being listed as "Sold Out" and the Combat Patrol box is now listed as "Sold Out." I'll be buying a Drukhari patrol off the shelf in my store tomorrow (Pay Day!)

 

As for Wracks, I'd say either we're getting new ones or they're getting reboxed as 10. But if GW just pulled them without an incoming replacement, that's dangerously close to rage quit for me. 

[The Yncarne]

I'm also wondering what is going on with this range. Is GW quiet quitting, repackaging, or redoing the line? I'm guessing repackaging.

 

Grab that Patrol box. I doubt future ones will include more than a single venom on the vehicle front.

[ThePenitentOne]

Oh, definitely grabbing the CP Box. Most of my army has been assembled from big boxes- Old Wych Start Collecting, Blood of the Phoenix, Piety and Pain and the Poison Blade box. I'll grab this one too, and with luck when the next one drops it'll be Coven themed, and I can grab it too.

[Montoya]

At least now we know what was coming.  Pulling wracks and the combat patrol are lined up with the repackaging for the new coven based combat patrol     But at least we haven't lost anything...... yet.

 

I do have concerns for the finecast stuff that is not around.   I would have thought for sure they were being released in plastic, but doesn't seem that way now (at least not in the short term)    The fact that they got rid of Draigo for the grey knights gives me great concern for our units.    Where I still have some hope is the shear number of units that it represents, but time will tell once we get more reveals for the upcoming codex. 

 

 

[ThePenitentOne]

The concern is justified (not gonna lie), but I don't think those units will be pulled, and if they are, I expect the problem to be resolved in 11th or via Kill Team, or by some combination. The datacards for both Beasts and the Court where reimagined for the Index- previously, the units were built flexibly, but with the Index, the court became locked at 1/1/1/1 and beasts got locked at 1/1/2/3. This implies boxed sets for both Court and Beasts.

 

My guess is that either an MTO or a limited "rotating" back in the finecast models will happen at release, and that 11th will be the big update. I also think we're going to learn more from Warcom as we get closer to release and some of these questions may be answered even before the dex drops.

[TheMawr]

Until next monday we cant be 100% certain, there is precedent recently with even more final wording in an article and yet another thing was shown the monday after with the Black templar codex. But if that would be to happen then it has to be that someone at warhammer community site is purposedly trolling valrak.

( for the record, I personally DO think this was it, Im just not one for single-minded speculation.. as its not prediction it can go in all directions at the same time ;) )

 

There was another rumor doing the rounds before last mondays reveal and that was that the codex would lose 4 datasheets and gain 2. Now this could be Malys+Hand of the archon gained and the 4 resin based datasheets lost, however Im skeptical of hand of the archon getting a datasheet and it most likely could just be someone making things up based on those low-hanging fruit numbers. If that rumor where to be true though, I do still think the other new datasheet is NOT the hand of the archon kill team, but the Drukhari kits are not really split datasheet friendly ( and the few who are, are also in either the battleforce or combat patrol and it would be noticed.) 

 

But the Battleforce and Combat patrol kind of rule almost all options out for me. Any kabal adjacent release ( the court ) would have joined the Archon in that battleforce, any Wych cult adjecent updates ( Succubus, Beastmaster, Reavers ) would have warranted a more thematic split and either two battleforces or a wych cult focused one instead with the Archon being a seperate release. updated Grotesques would likely be put in the combat patrol to increase its desirability ( like warpspiders for eldar ) leaving just Urien rakarth of the current resins.

 

A last beacon of "hope" for something new or updated appearing in this codex would indeed be an iminent kill team, the same way they split up the Nightbringer (40k) and Shadowhunt ( kill team ) leak reactions instead of doing it in a single article ( yes Im aware the general expectation is that the Nightbringer will come as a kill team release, but thats wrong, and the evidence is already on the website. Its likely an end of edition campaign release close to the shadowhunt kill team, but thats another topic.)

 

Lots of hopium speculation, but again, I dont think so myself.

 

On 9/10/2025 at 6:03 AM, ThePenitentOne said:

The concern is justified (not gonna lie), but I don't think those units will be pulled, and if they are, I expect the problem to be resolved in 11th or via Kill Team, or by some combination. The datacards for both Beasts and the Court where reimagined for the Index- previously, the units were built flexibly, but with the Index, the court became locked at 1/1/1/1 and beasts got locked at 1/1/2/3. This implies boxed sets for both Court and Beasts.

 

My guess is that either an MTO or a limited "rotating" back in the finecast models will happen at release, and that 11th will be the big update. I also think we're going to learn more from Warcom as we get closer to release and some of these questions may be answered even before the dex drops.

 

While there are some resin leftovers in codexes they all predate this year, I think they have become extra aggressive with it, it could also be that its coincedence.. but I still think that those that remained are things that ( might ) get an update in one form or another before their next ( 11th edition ) codex hits, just as it had been with the Nightbringer, the now released spacemarine characters, Vespids and Tankbustas.  Characters through the end of edition campaign and other things through kill team.

 

I was from the beginning more pessimistic/skeptical about how they merged the datasheets.. especially on beasts... I just saw it as a softening the blow later. right now the Beastmaster pack is just a single datasheet removed instead of the 4 it was. I also saw both court and beastmaster as very unlikely kill team candidates, however, this shifted slightly recently ( starting with the Sanctifiers kill team they introduced more "warcry" styled ragtag kill teams.) though the optimistic side of me saw it as the perfect setup to make them Warhammer quest content.

 

If court where to be a kill team, I'd hope they do it well... the fear would be something like a Lhamean, a Medusae, 3 Sslyth and 4 to 5 ur-ghul to patch it up or something similar.. wich subsequently can only be taken as such in 40k ( what they did with sanctifiers basically.) same with Beastmaster.. I think its not really a favorable way to do it for personally. 
I still hope this KT editions Drukhari kill team will be Wyches/Blood brides though. They are right up there with Deathwatch, Scions and Spacemarine scouts as being core kill team.

 

By the way, a last hopium mention I myself dont really believe, there is precedent as well for something released right before an end of edition campaign to get an addition not in that codex/battletome later in the campaign. Cities of Sigmar had it in Dawnbringers ( Calles and Toll crew ), Sisters of Battle had it in Psychic awakening ( Stern ), Both Lumineth and Hedonites had it  in Broken realms.. Arks of Omen was the exception rather than the rule really in recent years.

 

[Dr. Clock]

Yea it's all very confusing and unnecessary. I appreciate the model previews, but then forcing us to wait to find out how brutally our list is being gutted seems unnecessary.

 

If we lose 4 sheets and gain just Malys and maybe Hand of the Archon, I'm not buying this Codex and will just play them with pirated rules and Legends until they add back enough flavour to make the book worthwhile.

 

I'm happy to buy Codexes when I'm actually excited to play them, but I'm not likely to shell out for this if I literally have 3 key units ripped from my list (I run Beasts, Court and Grots in most lists).

 

Anyway - we'll likely know more soon, but I'm resigned to letting this one pass for an edition.

 

Cheers,

 

The Good Doctor.

[CL_Mission]

On 9/11/2025 at 1:03 PM, TheMawr said:

If court where to be a kill team, I'd hope they do it well... the fear would be something like a Lhamean, a Medusae, 3 Sslyth and 4 to 5 ur-ghul to patch it up or something similar.. wich subsequently can only be taken as such in 40k ( what they did with sanctifiers basically.) same with Beastmaster.. I think its not really a favorable way to do it for personally. 
I still hope this KT editions Drukhari kill team will be Wyches/Blood brides though. They are right up there with Deathwatch, Scions and Spacemarine scouts as being core kill team.

Can't discount Kill Team doing something weird when it comes to squad composition. The old Necron Kill Team was an existing squad with an upgrade sprue joined by an existing leader model and the the new Necron Team is two units (or at least I'm presuming the Macrocytes and Tomb Crawlers will be separate units in the main game) joined by a leader who will certainly be separate in the main game.

A Court of the Archon team could be lead by a Dracon who'll be a lieutenant level character for the main game, or it be a couple of beast packs and a beast master who split up in some way when they get 40k rules. Necron seem like a bit of an edge case in Kill Team but you never know.

[ThePenitentOne]

You guys probably saw it in General like I just did, but yeah, apparently the dex has leaked, and the Court and Beasts are gone.

 

I can still use their Index cards for the remainder of the edition and we'll see what happens in 11th.

[Dr. Clock]

Yea it was kinda funny to see the rules themselves leak so quick after I posted there.

 

As far as they go, the rules look fun and decently powerful. This is basically the point at which I'm going to be looking askance and paying for any rules until they let us know if 11th is an index edition as well as I'm dang sure not paying for these rules if they'll also only be good for 8-9 months.

 

Swings and roundabouts... Now I can just focus on doing Corsair vibes through the Eldar list. 

 

15 hours ago, ThePenitentOne said:

use their Index cards for the remainder of the edition

 

Uh... If you like, I suppose...

 

I could almost rationalize buying the book if they send the old stuff properly to Legends, because the Index cards no longer work with the army rule. I don't have any problem with stuff being Legends, but they should commit to at least giving those key units a fitting send-off to my firmly casual table. I understand why they can't keep selling those terrible finecast, and neither can they really publish rules in a book for which they have no models... Like, I appreciate the bind they're in, but their attitude to this kind of thing feels like a nagging remainder of that uncommunicative and indifferent GW of 15 years ago, not the more considerate and generous vibe they've been cultivating for the past few years. 

 

Anyway - Just like for Imperial Agents / Deathwatch I'm going to email them directly about this. If they can just come right out and say 1) Legends unit sheets will be added for those lost from the catalogue and 2) 11th is not an index edition, I will buy this codex just to have the rules in my App until the next codex!

 

Cheers,

 

The Good Doctor.

 

[ThePenitentOne]

Good point= never thought about the possibility of a Legends push. I also haven't written off the possibility that they say something about it in the Warcom lead up to release.

[Silas7]

19 hours ago, Dr. Clock said:

their attitude to this kind of thing feels like a nagging remainder of that uncommunicative and indifferent GW of 15 years ago, not the more considerate and generous vibe they've been cultivating for the past few years. 

 

Cheers,

 

The Good Doctor.

 

 

This hurts even more when we know that design and photo ready models are done at least a year out. They definitely string us along.

[Silas7]

On 9/13/2025 at 6:57 AM, Dr. Clock said:

Swings and roundabouts... Now I can just focus on doing Corsair vibes through the Eldar list. 

 

Cheers,

 

The Good Doctor.

 

 

I was looking at trying to run my DE in a Ynnari format but being forced to take yvraine kinda sucks, she's good but it's a pill to swallow. Another thing is that the buffs we do get in the DE codex don't seem to be reflected in the Ynnari versions so Incubus are still S4 :(

[TheMawr]

On 9/16/2025 at 12:08 AM, Silas7 said:

 

I was looking at trying to run my DE in a Ynnari format but being forced to take yvraine kinda sucks, she's good but it's a pill to swallow. Another thing is that the buffs we do get in the DE codex don't seem to be reflected in the Ynnari versions so Incubus are still S4 :(

 

Mind you that, as far as GW is concerned, the current DE datasheets are those in the index.

The rules we have seen are leaks of a battletome that isnt even announced yet ( at least, it isnt announced when it comes.) 

 

The concept of the bespoke Ynnari datasheets is also that they dont have to be the same as the Drukhari equivalents though, even if previously the differences where very mild ( especially compared to other armies doing this same thing : the 4 chaos cult codexes and their varied daemon princes for example ) So it is possible, maybe even likely, that the Ynnari datasheets will not be updated accordingly.

this will create some notable differences that they still might have to adress though as they reflect kit policies :

Ynnari Archon is limited to the options of the old kit.
Ynnari Succubus can still take Blast pistol or splinter pistol and isnt locked to the melee weapons of the kit. ( they are not going to ignore this one. )
Ynnari wyches do not reflect the full kit the way the Drukhari ones do. 

also Ynnari Archon and Kabalites are still move 8

 

However bottomline is, we dont know yet how the new drukhari codex affects ynnari as despite the leaks make it feel otherwise, it isnt here yet and drukhari are still in index mode.

 

As for the first part, actually you need either the Yncarne or Yvraine, you dont necessarily need both.