Helias_Tancred Posted Monday at 06:07 PM Share Posted Monday at 06:07 PM (edited) And that is what I think of Winsor & Newton Series 7 brushes! I recently picked up a Vallejo synthetic brush, a Size 0 Precision, several weeks after getting the W&N, and its performed better. lol. Certainly keeps a point better. Very disappointed about my dalliance with W&N Series 7s. I expected better for the price. A lot better. I believe the rumor is correct, they make GW's brushes because the tip and brush behaved just like a GW Layer brush. Edited Monday at 06:41 PM by Helias_Tancred Dr. Clock 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386317-winsor-newton-series-7-lol/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firedrake Cordova Posted Monday at 07:22 PM Share Posted Monday at 07:22 PM Well that sucks. The ones I had (years ago) were good. 1 hour ago, Helias_Tancred said: I believe the rumor is correct, they make GW's brushes because the tip and brush behaved just like a GW Layer brush. According to Tom Hibberd (former GW product person), it's the Artificer line that W&N make, with the others being made by Crown Artist. Helias_Tancred 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386317-winsor-newton-series-7-lol/#findComment-6123502 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Clock Posted Monday at 07:57 PM Share Posted Monday at 07:57 PM Brutal - sorry to hear. Hope you don't let it cramp your painting momentum! Cheers, The Good Doctor. Helias_Tancred and Firedrake Cordova 1 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386317-winsor-newton-series-7-lol/#findComment-6123508 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helias_Tancred Posted Tuesday at 01:44 AM Author Share Posted Tuesday at 01:44 AM 6 hours ago, Firedrake Cordova said: Well that sucks. The ones I had (years ago) were good. According to Tom Hibberd (former GW product person), it's the Artificer line that W&N make, with the others being made by Crown Artist. Ahhh okay. I remember when the artificer line first came out, I remember a couple guys saying it's an opportunity to get a Series 7 for a lot less. That was 2015? lol last I checked a GW artificer brush was $22 USD the other day when I stopped by my local GW store. I think that Series 7 I snapped was $24 USD? So very close now. Firedrake Cordova 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386317-winsor-newton-series-7-lol/#findComment-6123561 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted Tuesday at 07:46 AM Share Posted Tuesday at 07:46 AM Series 7s had been a workhorse of mine for years, however I think recently, they have gone downhill - the last 2 I've had havent lasted as long - however as my partner pointed out I'm also painting a lot more which will contribute. I've found myself actually using synthetics, the GW STC M base and layer have been great for me, easy to clean, keep a point and cheap enough to not be sad if they get wrecked. Helias_Tancred and Firedrake Cordova 1 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386317-winsor-newton-series-7-lol/#findComment-6123590 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firedrake Cordova Posted Tuesday at 09:11 AM Share Posted Tuesday at 09:11 AM 1 hour ago, Xenith said: I think recently, they have gone downhill I've seen a couple of brush manufacturers (not W&N) say that the quality of the sable they can source has decreased recently (last decade or two). Part of the issue cited is that it's not getting as cold in Siberia, which has resulted in undesirable changes in the nature of the hair produced. I'm not sure if that's the case here (as larger manufacturers tend to get first pick, and may also have a stockpile), but thought it worth mentioning as a possibility. Helias_Tancred and Xenith 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386317-winsor-newton-series-7-lol/#findComment-6123603 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helias_Tancred Posted Wednesday at 01:30 AM Author Share Posted Wednesday at 01:30 AM (edited) Army Painter Wargamer brushes have been my mainstay over the past several years. Cheap enough to replace once or twice a year. But I'm slowly looking around for better options. Their QC has suffered lately from what I've experienced. I'll have a character brush that is excellent, but when it's time to replace it the next character brush is sorta crap and doesn't even feel like the same type of brush I replaced? lol. Along the same price and quality level are the Vallejo brushes. I like the Vallejo Precision synthetic I've been using, but I'm really curious on the Pro Modeler sable brushes? A good friend of mine swears by the Monument Hobbies brushes, and some others love the daVinci brushes out of Germany? anyone have experience with these? Edited Wednesday at 01:31 AM by Helias_Tancred Firedrake Cordova 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386317-winsor-newton-series-7-lol/#findComment-6123773 Share on other sites More sharing options...
crimsondave Posted Wednesday at 01:50 AM Share Posted Wednesday at 01:50 AM Wow. That’s all have used for years and I hate GW brushes and AP brushes. Maybe it’s true the quality of Sable has gone down hill. Helias_Tancred 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386317-winsor-newton-series-7-lol/#findComment-6123774 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volgon Posted Wednesday at 03:27 AM Share Posted Wednesday at 03:27 AM I've been using a Monument Hobbies Pro Sable #1 for details on my last few minis and it's done great. Holds the point fantastically well. Another USA option is Rosemary and Co #33's sold by Michigan Toy Soldier Co. Normally hard to find unless you import but MTSC rebrands them under their label. I have a #2 from them but haven't used it yet. Both options review well and are around half the price of a W&N Series 7. Firedrake Cordova, Helias_Tancred and Khulu 1 1 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386317-winsor-newton-series-7-lol/#findComment-6123781 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khulu Posted Wednesday at 03:37 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 03:37 PM I LOVE Monument Hobbies Sable brushes and use them all the time. I use them for everything but metallics these days. Urauloth 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386317-winsor-newton-series-7-lol/#findComment-6123861 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urauloth Posted Wednesday at 04:46 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 04:46 PM It's true that the quality of sable is trending downwards, but so is the quality of W&N brushes in general. They moved their factory a few years ago, and their quality (or at least their quality control) took a hit it's never recovered from. I suspect the classic trick of cheapening the product and continuing to sell it at the same price once it's established a reputation as a market leader, investment groups love this because it delivers "growth" in the short term despite the obvious consequence of annoying customers and detroying the brand reputation. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386317-winsor-newton-series-7-lol/#findComment-6123884 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firedrake Cordova Posted Wednesday at 06:39 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 06:39 PM 1 hour ago, Urauloth said: They moved their factory a few years ago Was that the Wealdstone or Lowestoft factory? My understanding is that the Wealdstone factory moved to France, but that all Series 7s were assembled in Lowestoft. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386317-winsor-newton-series-7-lol/#findComment-6123917 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LameBeard Posted 10 hours ago Share Posted 10 hours ago Surely sable from Siberia is subject to sanctions in large parts of the world? Or am I being hopelessly naïve? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386317-winsor-newton-series-7-lol/#findComment-6124102 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LameBeard Posted 10 hours ago Share Posted 10 hours ago (edited) [double post - please delete] Edited 9 hours ago by LameBeard Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386317-winsor-newton-series-7-lol/#findComment-6124103 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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