The Scouring (Series)

[Nagashsnee]

10 hours ago, Roomsky said:

I just want Kelbor Hal to DO something. I like Sota Nul but the reconquest of Mars should have some proper interaction with THE Fabricator General. Man needs a character series book.

It's due out RIGHT after the Horus Primarch book..

[wecanhaveallthree]

Oh yeah? I hear that one's been pushed back so as not to crowd the release of Black Legion 3. 

[Nagashsnee]

46 minutes ago, wecanhaveallthree said:

Oh yeah? I hear that one's been pushed back so as not to crowd the release of Black Legion 3. 

Dint that get pushed back for Spears of the Emperor 2? Or was it Watchers of the Throne 3?

[System Sound]

39 minutes ago, Nagashsnee said:

Dint that get pushed back for Spears of the Emperor 2? Or was it Watchers of the Throne 3?

Right after Ynnari book 3... Or was it Masters of Shadow by T. Parrot? 

Edited January 9 by System Sound

[Nagashsnee]

1 hour ago, System Sound said:

Right after Ynnari book 3... Or was it Masters of Shadow by T. Parrot? 

Surely those will be released right after Pandemonium drops with 12th edition 40k?

[DarkChaplain]

They'll have Dark Hunters: Umbra Sumus on the preorder previews any Sunday now, and it'll finally free up their release queue. Any day now...

[grailkeeper]

38 minutes ago, DarkChaplain said:

They'll have Dark Hunters: Umbra Sumus on the preorder previews any Sunday now, and it'll finally free up their release queue. Any day now...

Have you ever tried to  cancel a print job on a printer after it's started? Clogs up the whole system. Once we get the dark hunters books it'll start printing out booms that we're waiting in the print queue for years.

 

Black legions 3, 4 and 5, the latest bequin Novel, all the Heresy Novels where the Emperor was the main character. They were all stuck in the queue.

[wecanhaveallthree]

Was there ever a good reason it didn't just get reprinted under a different title? It's a solid Space Marine story - I really enjoyed it. 

[Felix Antipodes]

An interesting rumour floating around the interwebs at the moment is that the Cavill 40K series will be set in The Scouring era.  Apparently they are using the Scouring logo on heir docs, although no confirming pictures or quotes are given.  So large salt intake required.

Having said that, what do we think of this setting choice if true?

[darkhorse0607]

I believe that one came from Valrak, I know he mentioned it a while back 

 

I dunno about it. On one hand, its pretty wide open for what they could do, maybe not as much as 40k proper (i.e. no xenos ((probably))) but its less linear than something like the Heresy or Badab.

 

On the other, I cant see GW going all in on a Amazon series for it not to feature their flagship stuff like Primaris. And then honestly I dont know if it would have the mass appeal of space marines/humans vs tyranids/orks or something like that. Plus the whole fact that, at least in theory, half of the characters should be dealing with stuff from the Heresy, or at least mentioning it so for casual audiences it might be confusing 

 

But who knows, seeing the Iron Cage would be cool if they do it 

[Felix Antipodes]

It shouldn’t preclude xenos as the lore states that it wasn’t just the heretic Astartes the Imperium was fighting/pushing back but various xenos taking advantage of the HH to encroach on Imperial assets.  Only T’au and Tyranids wouldn’t fit the timeline.

Agree that GW would want it to reflect the models they are currently selling rather than have to release a new range to take advantage of the show.  A Scouring setting ain’t no LOTR which brought its own fan base.

Think about the CGI savings from not having to do a Sanguinius 

[grailkeeper]

11 hours ago, Felix Antipodes said:

An interesting rumour floating around the interwebs at the moment is that the Cavill 40K series will be set in The Scouring era.  Apparently they are using the Scouring logo on heir docs, although no confirming pictures or quotes are given.  So large salt intake required.

Having said that, what do we think of this setting choice if true?

That would require the TV having to explain the backstop of the heresy before the show gets going. That seems a lot effort, especially when they could just do the heresy. 

[DukeLeto69]

Eisenhorn WILL be the first GW/Amazon TV Series.

 

Next 

[Ubiquitous1984]

I was hoping The Scouring would be like the glory days of the HH when we had 4-5 releases per year, plus numerous shorts and audio dramas.  
 

The lack of any announcement about book two, let alone a release date, is disappointing.   Hurry up BL.  Inertia kills the hype.  

[Karhedron]

2 hours ago, Ubiquitous1984 said:

I was hoping The Scouring would be like the glory days of the HH when we had 4-5 releases per year, plus numerous shorts and audio dramas.  

 

True but a lot of increasingly felt like padding. Battle for the Abyss and Damnation of Pythos were just filler. Imperium Secundus went on way too long. Some books that felt important went nowhere such as Mechanicum and Outcast Dead. Sometimes, less is more. I would rather the Scouring take its time and tell worthwhile stories. 

[wecanhaveallthree]

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I would rather the Scouring take its time and tell worthwhile stories. 

 

I, also, would like good books that are good. 

 

I would also like at least some idea of when we might expect another book and what it might possibly be about, who it might be written by - that sort of thing. Perhaps Ashes didn't meet sales targets and they're cancelling the series and putting all their authors in on Von Shard? Who knows!

[grailkeeper]

What if the delay isn't with the rights to 40k. What if it'd with the rights to things 40k lifted from. Dune, 2000 ad, Lotr etc

[Taliesin]

I dont think there is any delay, this is simply in line with how they have been operating the last few years, they cant be bothered to give out any more info on upcoming books.

Book 2 will suddenly be announced, or spotted online somewhere.

[darkhorse0607]

Perhaps during an event dedicated to showing off Black Library related material  

 

A gathering  

 

A celebration you might say

 

Sarcasm aside, not too concerned about Scouring 2, its only been a month and a half since Ashes came out. Granted people saw it months prior due to leaks, but according to GW it released mid-December, so not that long ago

 

That being said if we dont see something by Marchish then I'll be a doomer as always 

[Nagashsnee]

13 hours ago, Ubiquitous1984 said:

I was hoping The Scouring would be like the glory days of the HH when we had 4-5 releases per year, plus numerous shorts and audio dramas.  
 

The lack of any announcement about book two, let alone a release date, is disappointing.   Hurry up BL.  Inertia kills the hype.  

 

I cant see it ever hitting those numbers. The heresy is a very specific event contained in a (for warhammer) narrow timeframe 7-10 years.  The scouring is a centuries long ERA of imperial history. The 'major events'' we know of might be seperated from each other by centuries.  This will i feel very much be much more of a loose sandbox series then the HH. 

 

The other huge issue is 40k. When the HH started Primarchs were not a thing in 40k, characters could be written with no fear of backround repercussions in 40k as we simply did not know much about anyone that wasnt the broadest of strokes.

 

The scouring has the oposite situation. Characters like G man are pretty well established in both 30k and 40k, they now have to meet these AND make sure nothing they do/happens would make their 40k stuff make even less sense.   In addition they have to make sure nothing they do affects whatever plans they have for 40k in the future. 

 

So the scouring is a pretty different beast from a writing/organasing perspective, pretty much entirely in negative ways as well. 

Edited 5 hours ago by Nagashsnee

[Karhedron]

2 hours ago, Nagashsnee said:

I cant see it ever hitting those numbers. The heresy is a very specific event contained in a (for warhammer) narrow timeframe 7-10 years.  The scouring is a centuries long ERA of imperial history. The 'major events'' we know of might be seperated from each other by centuries.  This will i feel very much be much more of a loose sandbox series then the HH. 

 

I believe the Scouring lasted 7-10 years. It started with the death of Horus and ended with the breakup of the Legions and the establishment of the Codex Astartes. So things like Guilliman's duel with Fulgrim at Thessela was post-scouring. However as with all things GW, the lore is vague until they write it down. Here are the events I can think of that might merit a book.

• Fall of Caliban (DAs)
• Iron Cage (IFs and IWs)
• Escrador (UMs and AL)
• Something touching on the shattered legions and Blood Angels

[Felix Antipodes]

As I mentioned in a previous post, The Scouring era will last as long as GW/BL wants to define it.  We still don’t know where they will draw that line.

These are the dates associated with the fate of the Primarchs:

 

014.M31 - Death of Horus

 

014.M31 - Fall of Caliban.  Loss of Lion El’Jonson

 

014.M31 - Eskrador.  Alpharius (Omegron?) killed by Guilliman

 

014.M31 - The Iron Cage

 

021.M31 - 2nd Founding

 

c022.M31 - Disappearance of Corax

 

c034.M31 - Loss of Dorn aboard the Sword of Sacrilege

 

036.M31 - Assassination of Konrad Cruze

 

081.M31 - Corusil V.  Loss of Jaghatai Khan

 

121.M31 - Battle of Thessala.  Wounding of Guilliman

 

211.M31 - Disappearance of Russ

 

BL could choose to include any and/or all of the above as the end point for the series.

[Nagashsnee]

1 hour ago, Karhedron said:

 

I believe the Scouring lasted 7-10 years. It started with the death of Horus and ended with the breakup of the Legions and the establishment of the Codex Astartes.

 

The 7th ed rulebook has the breakup as happening during the scouring with no firm dates. While 10th barely mentions it but has it as 'a draw out bloody affair'. 6th has the breakup as happening in the midst of the scouring but again dates are lacking. The second founding happens DURING the scouring about 7ish years after the siege.  

 

The beast arises happens mid M42 and has the Imperium at peace for 1k years. The first black crusade happens around 700M31. 

 

Siege of terra is 14m31. Kurze gets killed around 30M31. And the Night Lords broken some time after that which is deffinetly the scouring.  Thessala which i would place in the scouring as its literally the Imperium trying to hunt down Fulgrim who has not gone into the eye yet happens around 120m31. 

 

For me the shortest case would be 100ish years. But even G man going into stasis is not really a benchmark. The Scouring ends when the Imperium shifts from vengance mode into peace mode which leads up the war of the beast. Which would be sometime around 300-500M31.  Tho as with most things 40k firm dates are a joke.