The Scouring (Series)

[DarkChaplain]

That only works out for Guilliman's storyline, though. Weren't Russ and the Khan still out there somewhere? If I remember correctly, Guilliman thinks of having to leave them alone like that, before he gets put in stasis.

 

I just can't see them skipping the Khan's departure, or Russ's feast (even though we have seen that already in the Bjorn audio drama and elsewhere).

[Felix Antipodes]

2 hours ago, DarkChaplain said:

That only works out for Guilliman's storyline, though. Weren't Russ and the Khan still out there somewhere? If I remember correctly, Guilliman thinks of having to leave them alone like that, before he gets put in stasis.

 

I just can't see them skipping the Khan's departure, or Russ's feast (even though we have seen that already in the Bjorn audio drama and elsewhere).

 

True enough about Guilliman not being the last man standing.  As well as the Khan and Russ, we don’t know (as far as I can recall) when Vulkan and Corax slipped away.   Hell, wasn’t Dorn supposed to be the still around at that point as well?

The trouble is we are trying to think logically, not ‘GW logic’ logically. 

 

Edit:  Since I was not sure of who left when, the following is from the Lexicanum timeline;

 

• 014.M31 - The Fall of Caliban.  Loss of the Lion.
• 014.M31 - Eskrador.  Guilliman kills Alpharius (Omegron?).
• 014.M31 - The Iron Cage
• 021.M31 - The Second Founding
• 022.M31 - Disappearance of Corax into the Eye of Terror
• 034.M31 - Loss of Rogal Dorn on the Sword of Sacrilege
• 081.M31 - Corusil V.  The loss of Jaghatai Khan into a warpgate.
• 121.M31 - Battle of Thessala.  Fulgrim wounds Guilliman and is placed in statsis.
• 211.M31 - Russ holds great feast before disappearing.

 

So only Vulcan’s movements are unknown to us for this period.

Edited 20 hours ago by Felix Antipodes

[Ubiquitous1984]

There is also the conclusion of Valdor’s arc to consider, how it ties in with Russ, and whether it flows into the Abnettverse or not.

 

I wonder if they have Abnett lined up to write a Valero-focused Scouring book that can tie into his own work?  

[DukeLeto69]

1 hour ago, Felix Antipodes said:

 

True enough about Guilliman not being the last man standing.  As well as the Khan and Russ, we don’t know (as far as I can recall) when Vulkan and Corax slipped away.   Hell, wasn’t Dorn supposed to be the still around at that point as well?

The trouble is we are trying to think logically, not ‘GW logic’ logically. 

 

Edit:  Since I was not sure of who left when, the following is from the Lexicanum timeline;

 

• 014.M31 - The Fall of Caliban.  Loss of the Lion.
• 014.M31 - Eskrador.  Guilliman kills Alpharius (Omegron?).
• 014.M31 - The Iron Cage
• 021.M31 - The Second Founding
• 022.M31 - Disappearance of Corax into the Eye of Terror
• 034.M31 - Loss of Rogal Dorn on the Sword of Sacrilege
• 081.M31 - Corusil V.  The loss of Jaghatai Khan into a warpgate.
• 121.M31 - Battle of Thessala.  Fulgrim wounds Guilliman and is placed in statsis.
• 211.M31 - Russ holds great feast before disappearing.

 

So only Vulcan’s movements are unknown to us for this period.

Aha I had it in my mind Bobbie was last man standing in realspace (apart from Vulkan as per The Beast Arises and the others disappearing off into the warp or webway) but I was wrong.

[Karhedron]

1 hour ago, Felix Antipodes said:

Edit:  Since I was not sure of who left when, the following is from the Lexicanum timeline;

 

I don't think that timeline is correct. Dorn was the last loyalist Primarch at large for several centuries (Vulkan having disappeared sometime earlier). I think his reported death aboard the Sword of Sacrilege was supposed to be about 500 years post-heresy.

 

Here is the list I put together:

 

015.M31 Corax disappears into the EoT in a 1-man ship
015.M31 Johnson vanishes during the destruction of Caliban not long after the Siege of Terra (however long the Warp translation to Caliban took).
084.M31 Jaghati Khan lost in the Maelstrom pursuing Dark Eldar Corsairs.
121.M31 Guilliman fatally wounded by Fulgrim at the Battle of Thessala.
211.M31 Russ vanishes on the 197th anniversary of the Emperor's Ascension.
781.M31 Dorn is lost and presumed killed in an attack on the Chaos Battleship, Sword of Sacrilege.
544.M32 Last sighting of Vulkan during the Battle of the Beast.

[Alpharius902]

To my knowledge, the Primarch disappearance timeline is thus:

• 016.M31 - The Lion is lost at Caliban’s destruction (Black Book 9 establishes that Caliban was lost at this date, but the Dark Angels hid that their lord was missing till after the Second Founding as per Russ’ primarch novel)
• 022.M31 - Corax locks himself into a ship and disappears into the Eye (After splitting his forces in the Second Founding, he soon kills the mutated Raptors, then locks himself in the Ravenspire for a year and a day before heading out - Raven Guard Index Astartes)
• 084.M31 - The Khan and his First Brotherhood disappear into the Webway in pursuit of Commorite Aeldari (White Scars Index Astartes + First Founding)
• 121.M31 - Guilliman’s interned into stasis during Thessala (Dark Imperium)
• 211.M31 - Russ takes his huscarls on a quest into the Eye of Terror (Space Wolves Codex 7th Edition)
• 650s-700s.M31 - Vulkan disappears from his Legion (Salamanders Index Astartes establishes that the last time he was seen by the Salamanders was 1000 years after the Legion’s founding)
• Early M32 - Dorn is killed during a random (not one of Abaddon’s) Black Crusade (Dorn was known to have ordered the Third Founding, so has to have made it till the turn of the millennium, but not the War of the Beast - The Aegidan Oath + War of the Beast Series)

I’m of the opinion that the Second Founding’s probably a good place for the “numbered” series to end, since it’s pretty much the conclusion to the tale of the “Legions.” Otherwise, if they want to just establish it as a “setting,” Russ’ disappearance would definitely be a good stopping point as an epilogue of sorts, otherwise you end up needing to cover Abaddon’s First Black Crusade.

Edited 18 hours ago by Alpharius902
Fixed date of Caliban’s destruction

[Scribe]

3 hours ago, Felix Antipodes said:

034.M31 - Loss of Rogal Dorn on the Sword of Sacrilege

 

I hope GW/BL have the stones to actually put this to paper definitely. 

[DukeLeto69]

Oh oh you don’t think BL will rebrand ADB’s Black Legion books as The Scouring do you? I mean time-wise and if a setting!!!! They shouldn’t!

 

Personally I would prefer The Scouring to be a setting not a sequential series but looking at HH it will be the latter I bet. Of course they could do both! Bit of sub-branding and books like the Black Legion and the Flesh Tearers start to fit in timeline wise. Then have a core series also.

[Felix Antipodes]

If it forces GW/BL to actually return a book to print I could put up with them being force marched into this series/setting.