Potential Night Lords vs. Sisters of Battle Kill Team set

[TheMawr]

59 minutes ago, Bouargh said:

 

I would rather go on a latinization track: with "insidiator" being more aligned with deceiver/lurker. Yet the concept of something ambushed in the shadows fits better to a raptor.

"Insidia" in Spanish is also an existing word translated into machination or cheating. Again a concept hard to link with Celestes. Unless these ladies in black can act as Scouts? 

 

One question of mine seeing this pic would be: more terrain on sight?

 

The terrain seems to be Volkus based, nothing new there.

It makes some people skeptical but at one side the text does address that element ( but a fake would too ) and what little we know about Tomb World there was already a possibility that just the first set is in the actual tomb world, and the continueing narrative is about how that tomb world awakens on a settled planet ( I theorised previously thats a convenient set up to have the exodites jump in, but I guess imperial world always works too.)

Only really skeptical thing for me there is that its convenient that the image seems grayscale.. studio pictures are rarely grayscale, but it would hide pixels that arent SoB vs "Nightlords". One could argue that its an image quality issue, but the art doesnt suffer from this and is much sharper and saturated.

 

That "Night lords" part is another thing that makes me not skeptical... it really presents like a warp talon team just casually in nightlords colors, the 2 art pieces read generic, not night lords specific. And like I said I think the wing on the logo is the Warp talons "wings" not a nightlords logo adaption. edit : forgot the reason why this makes me not skeptical, fakes are made to trigger on people's desires... Night lords Raptors would fit that, generic warp talons would not imho. But focusing on the warp talon element of the kit, not a NL one nor on the better known raptors, thats very GW.

 

While it does seem close to the Night lords Nemesis claw warband this didnt stop GW before, also, this is a new edition and thus a new project ( from a developer pov ) and this edition hasnt had a CSM kill team yet. 

 

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When adding this to @Chapter Master Valrak rumors, the first of wich is confirmed, you get this :

Deathwatch vs Necrons
Sisters of Battle vs Warp Talons
Grey Knights vs Khorne/World eaters/Berzerkers ( I seriously want to know exactly wich of the 3 the rumor says, if Khorne I expect daemons, if WE/Berzerkers I expect we are back to one side being upgrade sprues )

Exodites vs ???   ( wolfscouts could fit in this matchup, but they arent necessarily part of the kill team rumors, even though they sound like likely candidates.)

 

Its very interesting that its basically every ordo militant vs something else in the edition that GW remembered the inquisition is a thing. Maybe Exodites matchup with Inquisitional stormtroopers  to round the imperial agents theme off. 

 

Lets just hope its all new kill teams and no upgrade sprue teams ( or I will fear the exodites rumor is just rangers+upgrade sprue.. wich would make sense.. as rangers really would be the kill team of exodites and its a preferable kill team over Blades of Khaine to me, but still..)

Edited Wednesday at 03:39 PM by TheMawr

[Lord Marshal]

2 hours ago, TheMawr said:

As said above I think the Raptors might be Warp talons, the little weird wing is there on the jump pack. and I think the wings in the logo represent that element and not the wings of the Night lords logo.

 

Chaos Legionnaires have been among the most popular teams since released and are due to go Declassified with Tomb World, so it would make sense to get another 'vanilla' CSM team out there pretty quickly.

[mecanojavi99]

My bet is that the sister's side is an upgrade sprue for Celestian Sacresants, not the first time a kill team upgrade sprue adds extra weapon options to an already existing unit.

 

The Chaos side looks clear to me to be Raptors, hopefully a new kit, not Warp Talons by the simple fact that the guy on the right image is not wielding lighting claws which is the Warp Talons thing, that the whole unit is equipped with them.

[grailkeeper]

"tarjetas de gatos"

 

 

Cat Cards? Fair enough, my cat is a Sisters of Battle Player 

 

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Edited Wednesday at 04:37 PM by grailkeeper

[TheMawr]

1 minute ago, mecanojavi99 said:

My bet is that the sister's side is an upgrade sprue for Celestian Sacresants, not the first time a kill team upgrade sprue adds extra weapon options to an already existing unit.

 

The Chaos side looks clear to me to be Raptors, hopefully a new kit, not Warp Talons by the simple fact that the guy on the right image is not wielding lighting claws which is the Warp Talons thing, that the whole unit is equipped with them.

 

The tiny wing on the jumppack however is a warptalons thing, not a Raptors thing.. and like you said, its not the first time kill team adds new weapons. 

The logo too, the wings of it are a graphic based on those side wings the Warp talons have with the portruding spikes.

However, if an update looks this exact as the current kit, its probably both of them in one kit again and it could also be ofcourse they changed it so that raptors have that wing on the jump pack as well, not just the warp talons. ( I dont think the extra wing bit for warp talons ever had any lore reference anyway.)

 

Personally I always hoped that an eventual update would split them up, to give warp talons a distinct, more chaosy look.

[Nova-V]

Really hope this heralds a return of Celestians.  The Sacresants are a great kit but in no way a replacement.  Considering Novitiates are rotating out soon Sisters could use with a replacement team.  The Sanctifiers don't really scream Sisters more ecclesiarcchy generally.

[Marshal Reinhard]

Really would like a full power armor sisters kill team full with sisters of varied and specialized poses and armaments.

 

Seems strange we haven't had one yet

[Urauloth]

That is absolutely a Warp Talon. I think the flicker of lightning might be actual lightning (either residue from its warp jump or discharge from its claws) and not NL heraldry. It does seem to be blue, admittedly, but I think they painted the Warp Talons like that when the kit first came out. With Raptors and Talons being one of the only CSM units to get passed over for rescaling, it makes a lot of sense to drop a new kit for them into Kill Team if there isn't a bigger CSM release happening.

[Kurgan the Lurker]

If they bring back this helmet I am in!

 

[Commissar Greif]

Looks interesting. I'm presuming the SoB kill team will be an upgrade spure for either the regular Sisters to make them into Celestians or the Celestian Sacresants to give them swords. Raptors might be a new kit since the current one is starting to get up there in age.

 

Either way, excited to see what comes of it and what else we'll get for this season of Kill Team. I'm still holding out for Catachan soon.

Looks interesting. I'm presuming the SoB kill team will be an upgrade spure for either the regular Sisters to make them into Celestians or the Celestian Sacresants to give them swords. Raptors might be a new kit since the current one is starting to get up there in age.

 

Either way, excited to see what comes of it and what else we'll get for this season of Kill Team. I'm still holding out for Catachan soon.

[Tastyfish]

It think on the sisters side it'd have to be a mix of the old and new Celestians, and I'm not sure which kit would make the better basis for that.

 

I think probably we'd be looking at a 5-6+1 team of five sisters and a cherub (or perhaps two), with a mix of power weapons, shields and special weapons. It's hard to imagine that it'll just be a melee team with power weapons against a jump Astartes team, not to mention Grey Knights are going to be the power armour and power weapon team - a version of that with lower wounds and faith seems a reach, but being a lower wound power armour team with more special weapons seems a decent niche.

 

The image suggests that a reliquary bearer is part of the team and the current Sacristans don't have one of those - nor do they have any ranged weapons, so an upgrade sprue could add those along with a cherub? It's a different pose in the art from the models, but I kind of feel I've seen it before.

 

Alternatively, could get sprues 1 and 2 from the battle sister box, which includes Celestian heads and 6 bodies, a bunch of special weapons and relic - then the upgrade sprue adds the fancy filigree to add to the backpacks and a couple of melee weapons. I'm not sure if that leaves any particularly odd unused bits though, or if any models are missing something that wouldn't be able to be reproduced on the upgrade sprue.

 

Hmm, on closer inspection - neither of the two sisters in the artwork have the same gorget the sacristans have. I've definitely leaning now more towards it being an upgrade sprue for regular sisters. So perhaps a full squad of 10?

 

[edit]Actually on further inspection, there's 4 pages of datasheets for the Sisters which would suggest a max of eight different operative types? Probably doesn't help us when a bunch are probably gunners or warriors.

Edited Wednesday at 11:57 PM by Tastyfish

[Emperor Ming]

Gawd i Hope not, I dont want any more trashy unsused datasheets for sisters in 40k

[ThePenitentOne]

A kill team of six Celestian Specialists is AWESOME because the Immolator holds six models.

 

[sitnam]

2 hours ago, Tastyfish said:

Hmm, on closer inspection - neither of the two sisters in the artwork have the same gorget the sacristans have. I've definitely leaning now more towards it being an upgrade sprue for regular sisters. So perhaps a full squad of 10?

 

I bet it'll be a "semi-elite" 8 unit team when comparing it to other elite human squads. I'd also be surprised if it was an upgrade sprue after an entire season moving away from upgrade sprues, but it wouldn't shock me the modern sisters kit is so good and a single sprue could add a ton of character

[WARMASTER_]

13 hours ago, Kurgan the Lurker said:

If they bring back this helmet I am in!

 

I’ve been annoyed at the raptors kit since the update, for me these are some of the best minis GW ever produced that champion alone is a classic 

 

never understood why we just didn’t get an update over a redesign 

[Dr. Clock]

45 minutes ago, WARMASTER_ said:

update over a redesign 

Coulda had something to do with the complete impracticality of them as game pieces? Did you ever try and get one of those metal guys to stand on even the merest of slants? Due to the jet packs their centre of gravity was always near the head - not something you really want when they're dancing around on 25mm bases...

 

The plastic Raptor kit had some real innovations for the time, though I agree it would have been nice to keep the foot talons and unique heads instead of just 'spiky up the boots'.

 

I won't be mad about a new Raptor kit or upgrade sprue, and I have one buddy who plays both Sororitas and Night Lords so I figure he'll be in for sure pretty much either way.

 

Cheers,

 

The Good Doctor. 

[MoriyaSchism]

My hopes for this box are rules for a Marine with a jump pack and a special weapon. I still have the special weapon Raptor around, he even had a plasma rifle in the blister pack. 

[bloodhound23]

5 hours ago, Dr. Clock said:

Coulda had something to do with the complete impracticality of them as game pieces? Did you ever try and get one of those metal guys to stand on even the merest of slants? Due to the jet packs their centre of gravity was always near the head - not something you really want when they're dancing around on 25mm bases...

 

The plastic Raptor kit had some real innovations for the time, though I agree it would have been nice to keep the foot talons and unique heads instead of just 'spiky up the boots'.

 

I won't be mad about a new Raptor kit or upgrade sprue, and I have one buddy who plays both Sororitas and Night Lords so I figure he'll be in for sure pretty much either way.

 

Cheers,

 

The Good Doctor. 

They were impractical because they were top heavy, beause they were metal, not because of their sculpt. Plastic update with most of the same aesthetic features (especially the helmets) would have solved it.

 

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[Tastyfish]

There's only so much you can do as far as centre of gravity goes, regardless of material - but also I think there is also the change between Raptor Cults being a thing, in "all chaos marines are in warbands now" vs "chaos jump pack marines from the Legions".

 

 

[crimsondave]

5 minutes ago, Tastyfish said:

There's only so much you can do as far as centre of gravity goes, regardless of material - but also I think there is also the change between Raptor Cults being a thing, in "all chaos marines are in warbands now" vs "chaos jump pack marines from the Legions".

 

 

I super glue metal washers in my bases.  My Necron Wraiths drove me insane until I did that.

[Indy Techwisp]

So I'd like to get people to cast their minds back to the start of 10th when Sisters of Battle could still take Crusaders.

Since the Codex removed those, Sisters have not been able to field a "Sword and Board" unit.
Sure, the Celestian Sacresants are a Shield and Melee unit but neither of their weapons are swords and fill a different role.

Also, the old Celestian unit kinda got rolled into the Dominon unit, didn't it? So now the slot for Celestians is free and the only things left with that "title" in lore are Sacresants (a Melee & Pistols unit), the Zephyrim (also a Sword and Pistol unit) and the Paragon Warsuits (who are a vehicle Sword/Mace & Gun unit).

 

So if this unit in the Killteam is Celestians then I expect the whole unit is gonna be Sword and Board (with specials either having a different melee or some other item held with either Sword or Shield stowed on the mini).

 

As for the Raptors/Warptalons, I think GW updating Warptalons specifically is more likely than updating the Raptors since once the kit is split in two they can justify updating the newly split off "old kit" as well.

[Nephaston]

Judging by the leaked image it is definitely Raptors, as warp talons would have claws, and the fellow on the image still has a regular hand and what seems to be a sword.

But yeah, they just might split it off and redo warptalons separately as they are basically jump possessed

[Silas7]

On 7/30/2025 at 1:45 AM, Maschinenpriester said:

This would be a dream come true. Waiting for a proper power armoured sisters kill team since ages. I really hope this is legit. :D

Having raptors in it would make this a no brainer for me since CSM are my second army anyways. :D

 

Might actually get some crossover if the raptors were an updated kit

[LittlePlasticHomies]

Hope this is true but what about the image indicates anything other than it being a compelling hoax?

[Wispy]

board broads huh

Edited yesterday at 01:29 AM by Wispy