W.A.Rorie Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 @Chapter Master Valrak has just posted this New Lore Video from the Upcoming Codex HUGE NEW 40K LORE! The Terminus Decree Revealed! Ayatollah_of_Rock_n_Rolla 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386392-terminus-decree-revealed/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah_of_Rock_n_Rolla Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 Thanks James, very cool. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386392-terminus-decree-revealed/#findComment-6125296 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sothalor Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 Blegh. Not a fan of defining it. Every time they explicitly define some element in the setting, it shrinks the borders that much more. One of the compelling aspects of 40k as a setting is that sense of mystery and potential, those corners of the unknown and "here be dragons". Ayatollah_of_Rock_n_Rolla, grailkeeper, W.A.Rorie and 4 others 1 6 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386392-terminus-decree-revealed/#findComment-6125301 Share on other sites More sharing options...
W.A.Rorie Posted July 30 Author Share Posted July 30 1 hour ago, Sothalor said: Blegh. Not a fan of defining it. Every time they explicitly define some element in the setting, it shrinks the borders that much more. One of the compelling aspects of 40k as a setting is that sense of mystery and potential, those corners of the unknown and "here be dragons". Yeah, I agree. Feels like 40K is getting closer to being Warhammer Fantasy and 11th will be AoS Metzombie, roryokane, SvenIronhand and 1 other 1 2 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386392-terminus-decree-revealed/#findComment-6125315 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indy Techwisp Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 The fact that the Termius Decree is just... Spoiler Getting Big E to sit back down if he goes for a walk. feels like a cop-out. roryokane, W.A.Rorie and MoriyaSchism 1 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386392-terminus-decree-revealed/#findComment-6125318 Share on other sites More sharing options...
grailkeeper Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 Very often there's no official answer that can be as good as the mystery. Ayatollah_of_Rock_n_Rolla, W.A.Rorie, roryokane and 3 others 6 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386392-terminus-decree-revealed/#findComment-6125384 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoriyaSchism Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 I found out about this last night. Pretty disappointing reveal and I hate the fact it had to be defined too. A lot of the things they reveal these days either fall flat on their face or they make the setting feel smaller and less magical. It seems that every other Codex in 10th edition featured some sort of fumble like this. I will be skipping this codex too because there is next to nothing new for the Grey Knights out at the moment and I'm only interested in the models. I really wanted to like 10th Edition, I even got Leviathan and the Dark Angels codex. It was just disappointing in the end. I stopped caring about the modern storyline of 40K (or what's considered "canon" these days) with the White Dwarf Exorcists article when they turned them into diet Dark Angels without a Betcher's Gland. What's the point of revealing the Terminus Decree anyway? All the big writers at the Black Library and GW came out in force to tell us that there is no canon. So why bother writing stuff like this or the recent Wraithbone change that was in the Eldar codex? derLumpi, W.A.Rorie and Ayatollah_of_Rock_n_Rolla 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386392-terminus-decree-revealed/#findComment-6125410 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 How many Grey Knights are there, has a number ever been given? I know they are described as a Chapter but since they exist outside the normal structure of Space Marines, the Codex Astartes clearly does not apply to them. The Decree implies that they would need to fight the Custodians who are 10,000 strong and superior even to Grey Knights. So unless there are something like 20,000+ GKs, I cannot see how they could carry out the Terminus Decree. Felix Antipodes and Ayatollah_of_Rock_n_Rolla 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386392-terminus-decree-revealed/#findComment-6125414 Share on other sites More sharing options...
W.A.Rorie Posted July 31 Author Share Posted July 31 4 minutes ago, Karhedron said: How many Grey Knights are there, has a number ever been given? I know they are described as a Chapter but since they exist outside the normal structure of Space Marines, the Codex Astartes clearly does not apply to them. The Decree implies that they would need to fight the Custodians who are 10,000 strong and superior even to Grey Knights. So unless there are something like 20,000+ GKs, I cannot see how they could carry out the Terminus Decree. 8 Brotherhoods, Paladin Company, Purifier Company so 10 companies....100 Grey Knights per Company. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386392-terminus-decree-revealed/#findComment-6125415 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleon Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 (edited) From where I sit this is just the latest example of a trend towards really poorly thought out worldbuilding form GW. Of course there may be more to it in the codex when fully revealed, like some form of weapon or plan to make it achievable, but as presented it appears: "Hey guys, if things ever might get better, make sure to kick off another civil war, thanks." Edited July 31 by Cleon Spelling,,, W.A.Rorie, roryokane, Felix Antipodes and 2 others 4 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386392-terminus-decree-revealed/#findComment-6125440 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Walker Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 It's a terminally daft reveal. Keep an eye out for 11e retcons roryokane and W.A.Rorie 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386392-terminus-decree-revealed/#findComment-6125451 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareddm Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 As a concept, I do like that this would be an order the Emperor would give to the Grey Knights. "I'm about to do something crazy and it's going to mess me up. Whatever I say, whatever I do, do not let me leave this chair. And if I do leave this chair, get me back in it ASAP, got it!?" It makes for a fine point of conflict between the Custodes and Grey Knights, which is really all this seems to be. Rationale for a particular TT matchup. It being the Terminus Decree is the real letdown. Karhedron, roryokane, Felix Antipodes and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386392-terminus-decree-revealed/#findComment-6125485 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indy Techwisp Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 Seen this mentioned as speculation online but is it possible that the Terminus Decree we've now seen is only part of a larger plan? More specifically, Spoiler If Big E gets up off his chair and all Grey Knights are obligated to go over and try and make him sit down again, isn't that just sending ~1,000+ Astartes-tier Psykers for Big E to Snack on while he regenerates? Man is already fuelled by Psykers as is so a quick influx of very very powerful Psykers right as he's doing the most strenuous activity he's done in millennia seems like a good way to ensure he doesn't stand up and immediately collapse from exhaustion and die 'cause he hit his head on the chair as he drops. It seems like the kinda plan Malcador would have beamed into his head and recorded for the future he knew was coming. roryokane 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386392-terminus-decree-revealed/#findComment-6125519 Share on other sites More sharing options...
W.A.Rorie Posted July 31 Author Share Posted July 31 Why did that give me Galactus eating worlds vibe.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386392-terminus-decree-revealed/#findComment-6125522 Share on other sites More sharing options...
librisrouge Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 In an era of truly terrible and baffling lore decisions by GW, this might actually be the worst. Hopefully, since it requires the Emperor to get off the throne, it'll never matter. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386392-terminus-decree-revealed/#findComment-6125637 Share on other sites More sharing options...
roryokane Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 On 7/31/2025 at 9:41 PM, Jareddm said: As a concept, I do like that this would be an order the Emperor would give to the Grey Knights. "I'm about to do something crazy and it's going to mess me up. Whatever I say, whatever I do, do not let me leave this chair. And if I do leave this chair, get me back in it ASAP, got it!?" It makes for a fine point of conflict between the Custodes and Grey Knights, which is really all this seems to be. Rationale for a particular TT matchup. It being the Terminus Decree is the real letdown. Very Young Frankenstein: " No matter what you hear in there, no matter how cruelly I beg you, no matter how terribly I may scream, do not open this door or you will undo everything I have worked for. Do you understand? Do not open this door!" You've explained it very well. The Terminus Decree being revealed is saddening, as you say. W.A.Rorie and Jareddm 1 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386392-terminus-decree-revealed/#findComment-6125703 Share on other sites More sharing options...
grailkeeper Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 If the decree is written after the Emperor was enthroned, then who wrote it? Can't have been him or Malcador. Can't imagine anyone else with that level of authority. Valor would be the only one who might come close and I can think of a bunch of reasons why it's not him. W.A.Rorie 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386392-terminus-decree-revealed/#findComment-6125739 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 13 minutes ago, grailkeeper said: Valdor would be the only one who might come close and I can think of a bunch of reasons why it's not him. Actually I could see it being Valdor. He had spent a long time slaying daemons with the Apollonian Spear. This weapon was forged by the Emperor and grants its wielder insight into whatever it kills. He probably understood daemons better than anyone apart from the Emps and Malcador by the end of the Siege. He knew about the GKs and probably understood why the Emperor had to stay enthroned, no matter what. We might get some insight in Bequin: Pandemonium since it looks like it might feature the return of Valdor. W.A.Rorie 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386392-terminus-decree-revealed/#findComment-6125742 Share on other sites More sharing options...
W.A.Rorie Posted August 2 Author Share Posted August 2 Valdor does make the most senses of it was not the other two. For all those reasons @Karhedron said. maybe we will get a story about the grey knights bathing in the blood of Sisters of Silence to ward something off…. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386392-terminus-decree-revealed/#findComment-6125750 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 So, not sure if any of this was retconned or head canon but.. 1. The Emperor sets up the GK. 2. The Emperor sets up a failsafe that if he ever 'ascends' and rises up from the Throne, he is to be killed? Sounds about right honestly. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386392-terminus-decree-revealed/#findComment-6125977 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Eye Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 Wouldn't the Custodes have been a better force to entrust the duty with given they're right next to him most of the time? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386392-terminus-decree-revealed/#findComment-6126102 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 19 minutes ago, Evil Eye said: Wouldn't the Custodes have been a better force to entrust the duty with given they're right next to him most of the time? In theory yes but they are also modified/programmed as his companions. If the Emperor got off the throne and gave an order, would the Custodians even be able to disobey? The Grey Knights are more independent. Their mission is to eradicate daemons while they still have a base in the Sol system meaning they can still act as a quick response if necessary. W.A.Rorie 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386392-terminus-decree-revealed/#findComment-6126110 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemonGSides Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 I think it is a bit silly, but I do like this attempt to take some seriousness in it; https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/comments/1mf5g1n/decree/ I do think giving it a concrete definition has taken away from the Terminus Decree as "cool weird thing to ponder about", but I think it can also be taken seriously and have some sort of interesting impact on how we look at these possibilities. W.A.Rorie 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386392-terminus-decree-revealed/#findComment-6126145 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Coolpants Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 I for one, think it's silly and boring lol. Also, if the decree is from the emperor himself, then why would the emperor even get off the throne... As he knows he shouldn't get off it? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386392-terminus-decree-revealed/#findComment-6126897 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 11 hours ago, Captain Coolpants said: I for one, think it's silly and boring lol. Also, if the decree is from the emperor himself, then why would the emperor even get off the throne... As he knows he shouldn't get off it? Because what would get off the Throne is not the Emperor at all. DemonGSides 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386392-terminus-decree-revealed/#findComment-6127020 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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