jaxom Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 https://www.goonhammer.com/detachment-focus-forgefathers-seekers/ An interesting look. Helias_Tancred and LSM 1 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386467-new-salamander-detachment/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indy Techwisp Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 I really hope this doesn't just replace Firestorm Assault. The entire selling point of the detachments system was that they were (for the most part) subfaction agnostic, so having all the codex Marine detachments (except Gladius) get essentially turned into "proper" subfaction Detachments would be annoying. LSM, SvenIronhand, Helias_Tancred and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386467-new-salamander-detachment/#findComment-6127164 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted August 9 Share Posted August 9 1 hour ago, Indy Techwisp said: I really hope this doesn't just replace Firestorm Assault. Agreed. So far GW hasn't replaced any Detachments apart from Index ones that have vanished when the codex dropped. But this does feel so close to Firestorm Assault that it makes me nervous. Helias_Tancred 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386467-new-salamander-detachment/#findComment-6127172 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxom Posted August 10 Author Share Posted August 10 5 hours ago, Indy Techwisp said: I really hope this doesn't just replace Firestorm Assault. The entire selling point of the detachments system was that they were (for the most part) subfaction agnostic, so having all the codex Marine detachments (except Gladius) get essentially turned into "proper" subfaction Detachments would be annoying. If they had also taken out Burning Vengeance then I'd be proper happy. There'd be a clear distinction between one detachment supporting transports and other really focused on infantry. Heck, it would have let them fit in some sort of resilience strat, because y'know, Salamanders. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386467-new-salamander-detachment/#findComment-6127206 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malakithe Posted August 10 Share Posted August 10 I like that its just different enough. Not needed to go crazy with transports its nice Karhedron 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386467-new-salamander-detachment/#findComment-6127216 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orange Knight Posted August 11 Share Posted August 11 On 8/9/2025 at 8:01 PM, Indy Techwisp said: I really hope this doesn't just replace Firestorm Assault. The entire selling point of the detachments system was that they were (for the most part) subfaction agnostic, so having all the codex Marine detachments (except Gladius) get essentially turned into "proper" subfaction Detachments would be annoying. What wording limits this to Salamanders in particular? I've not seen the actual rules Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386467-new-salamander-detachment/#findComment-6127399 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted August 11 Share Posted August 11 11 minutes ago, Orange Knight said: What wording limits this to Salamanders in particular? I've not seen the actual rules It is not exactly limited but if Vulkan He’stan is included in your army, all your Infernus Squads can perform actions even if they advanced and can still shoot without failing actions. Now you do not have to include Vulkan but clearly there is an incentive to do so which will make your army Salamanders. DemonGSides 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386467-new-salamander-detachment/#findComment-6127403 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxom Posted August 11 Author Share Posted August 11 (edited) I’m curious if we’ll see something similar for other detachments. Edited August 11 by jaxom Double post Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386467-new-salamander-detachment/#findComment-6127404 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted August 11 Share Posted August 11 1 hour ago, jaxom said: I’m curious if we’ll see something similar for other detachments. Interesting thought. A common complaint is that the Chapters with supplements have an edge over those without in that they get access to special units without really losing anything. Producing chapter-specific versions of the core codex detachments to make them a bit strong with their associated Chapter would help to level the playing field slightly. Codex Chapters do already get the +1 to Wound against OOM targets. I wonder if this new Detachment will also get that bonus since it does require a chapter-specific character to unlock the full benefits. jaxom 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386467-new-salamander-detachment/#findComment-6127424 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orange Knight Posted August 11 Share Posted August 11 4 hours ago, Karhedron said: It is not exactly limited but if Vulkan He’stan is included in your army, all your Infernus Squads can perform actions even if they advanced and can still shoot without failing actions. Now you do not have to include Vulkan but clearly there is an incentive to do so which will make your army Salamanders. Hmmm I agree this isn't a good omen. I could see GW over correcting the faction issue by limiting them in a very stifling way. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386467-new-salamander-detachment/#findComment-6127454 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Clock Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 On 8/11/2025 at 10:02 AM, Karhedron said: Codex Chapters do already get the +1 to Wound against OOM targets. I wonder if this new Detachment will also get that bonus since it does require a chapter-specific character to unlock the full benefits. Ironically, the real sticking point seems like Ultramarines at this point. Since they have Guilliman and a full suite of good special characters, their 'better Oath' doesn't seem as needful as other Chapters. I can't really see the +1 to wound going away tbh... They could take it off Ultras, but they wouldn't do that and leave it for others. Heck if they left it for 'any list without a Chapter keyworded unit' they'd suddenly make the 'true generic' list better than the keyworded ones, and they won't do that either. While supplemental lists are also getting Oath, I expect 'Codex' lists will continue to have 'Oath +1' to make up for the thinner rosters. It was rumoured that this wave of Marine chapters was going to come with supplements, and I for one am happy if I don't need to buy any new rules for marines this edition. I was already doing Firestorm for my Salamanders, so this won't change much at all, other than give me a reason to potentially field a lower number of transports from time to time. My Sallies are all oldmarines so I've been soft pedalling them for a few editions, but I have started converting some Primaris units out of Heresy stuff for them to use a more complete roster, and even proxying a Rhino as Impulsor to ferry Hellblasters around. So looking forward I'm concerned about the tanks more than anything... I run 4 Rhino hulls in most games and they have always been 'mechanized infantry' themed, but I won't mind too-too terribly if alot of those legendary minis just become... Legends in the next go-round. Given all this, are White Scars just going to ramp UP the bike focus in Stormlance? It's already quite restrictive through Mounted keywording IMO and my Successor chapter is pretty strictly codex... plus I'm just not inclined to pump out more than the 2x3 Outriders I've done so far (until and unless they release a kit for them with actual options). I'll probably still do at least the one bike character since I can't resist the new jetbike lad, but honestly Stormlance has felt good enough for my purposes this edition so I'm fine if the rules changes are more of a nudge than a push. Cheers, The Good Doctor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386467-new-salamander-detachment/#findComment-6127867 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxom Posted August 14 Author Share Posted August 14 2 hours ago, Dr. Clock said: Given all this, are White Scars just going to ramp UP the bike focus in Stormlance? I’d laugh real hard if WS get a modified Gladius detachment where Outriders get the action-rule, and some strats are swapped out for Mounted strats. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386467-new-salamander-detachment/#findComment-6127902 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemonGSides Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 52 minutes ago, jaxom said: I’d laugh real hard if WS get a modified Gladius detachment where Outriders get the action-rule, and some strats are swapped out for Mounted strats. My expectation would be a storm lance modified detatchment considering WS are the key art used for that detatchment. Karhedron 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386467-new-salamander-detachment/#findComment-6127915 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxom Posted August 14 Author Share Posted August 14 For sure! I was just thinking how Hladius’ special rules are all movement-based. DemonGSides 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386467-new-salamander-detachment/#findComment-6127943 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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