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I really hope this doesn't just replace Firestorm Assault.

 

The entire selling point of the detachments system was that they were (for the most part) subfaction agnostic, so having all the codex Marine detachments (except Gladius) get essentially turned into "proper" subfaction Detachments would be annoying.

1 hour ago, Indy Techwisp said:

I really hope this doesn't just replace Firestorm Assault.

 

Agreed. So far GW hasn't replaced any Detachments apart from Index ones that have vanished when the codex dropped. But this does feel so close to Firestorm Assault that it makes me nervous.

5 hours ago, Indy Techwisp said:

I really hope this doesn't just replace Firestorm Assault.

 

The entire selling point of the detachments system was that they were (for the most part) subfaction agnostic, so having all the codex Marine detachments (except Gladius) get essentially turned into "proper" subfaction Detachments would be annoying.

If they had also taken out Burning Vengeance then I'd be proper happy. There'd be a clear distinction between one detachment supporting transports and other really focused on infantry. Heck, it would have let them fit in some sort of resilience strat, because y'know, Salamanders.

On 8/9/2025 at 8:01 PM, Indy Techwisp said:

I really hope this doesn't just replace Firestorm Assault.

 

The entire selling point of the detachments system was that they were (for the most part) subfaction agnostic, so having all the codex Marine detachments (except Gladius) get essentially turned into "proper" subfaction Detachments would be annoying.

 

What wording limits this to Salamanders in particular? I've not seen the actual rules

11 minutes ago, Orange Knight said:

What wording limits this to Salamanders in particular? I've not seen the actual rules

 

It is not exactly limited but if Vulkan He’stan is included in your army, all your Infernus Squads can perform actions even if they advanced and can still shoot without failing actions. Now you do not have to include Vulkan but clearly there is an incentive to do so which will make your army Salamanders.

1 hour ago, jaxom said:

I’m curious if we’ll see something similar for other detachments.

 

Interesting thought. A common complaint is that the Chapters with supplements have an edge over those without in that they get access to special units without really losing anything. Producing chapter-specific versions of the core codex detachments to make them a bit strong with their associated Chapter would help to level the playing field slightly. 

 

Codex Chapters do already get the +1 to Wound against OOM targets. I wonder if this new Detachment will also get that bonus since it does require a chapter-specific character to unlock the full benefits.

4 hours ago, Karhedron said:

 

It is not exactly limited but if Vulkan He’stan is included in your army, all your Infernus Squads can perform actions even if they advanced and can still shoot without failing actions. Now you do not have to include Vulkan but clearly there is an incentive to do so which will make your army Salamanders.

 

Hmmm I agree this isn't a good omen.

 

I could see GW over correcting the faction issue by limiting them in a very stifling way.

 

On 8/11/2025 at 10:02 AM, Karhedron said:

Codex Chapters do already get the +1 to Wound against OOM targets. I wonder if this new Detachment will also get that bonus since it does require a chapter-specific character to unlock the full benefits.

Ironically, the real sticking point seems like Ultramarines at this point. Since they have Guilliman and a full suite of good special characters, their 'better Oath' doesn't seem as needful as other Chapters. I can't really see the +1 to wound going away tbh... They could take it off Ultras, but they wouldn't do that and leave it for others. Heck if they left it for 'any list without a Chapter keyworded unit' they'd suddenly make the 'true generic' list better than the keyworded ones, and they won't do that either. While supplemental lists are also getting Oath, I expect 'Codex' lists will continue to have 'Oath +1' to make up for the thinner rosters.

 

It was rumoured that this wave of Marine chapters was going to come with supplements, and I for one am happy if I don't need to buy any new rules for marines this edition.

 

I was already doing Firestorm for my Salamanders, so this won't change much at all, other than give me a reason to potentially field a lower number of transports from time to time. My Sallies are all oldmarines so I've been soft pedalling them for a few editions, but I have started converting some Primaris units out of Heresy stuff for them to use a more complete roster, and even proxying a Rhino as Impulsor to ferry Hellblasters around. So looking forward I'm concerned about the tanks more than anything... I run 4 Rhino hulls in most games and they have always been 'mechanized infantry' themed, but I won't mind too-too terribly if alot of those legendary minis just become... Legends in the next go-round.

 

Given all this, are White Scars just going to ramp UP the bike focus in Stormlance? It's already quite restrictive through Mounted keywording IMO and my Successor chapter is pretty strictly codex... plus I'm just not inclined to pump out more than the 2x3 Outriders I've done so far (until and unless they release a kit for them with actual options). I'll probably still do at least the one bike character since I can't resist the new jetbike lad, but honestly Stormlance has felt good enough for my purposes this edition so I'm fine if the rules changes are more of a nudge than a push.

 

Cheers,

 

The Good Doctor.

2 hours ago, Dr. Clock said:

Given all this, are White Scars just going to ramp UP the bike focus in Stormlance?

I’d laugh real hard if WS get a modified Gladius detachment where Outriders get the action-rule, and some strats are swapped out for Mounted strats.

52 minutes ago, jaxom said:

I’d laugh real hard if WS get a modified Gladius detachment where Outriders get the action-rule, and some strats are swapped out for Mounted strats.

 My expectation would be a storm lance modified detatchment considering WS are the key art used for that detatchment. 

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