C'Tan Nightbringer

[Redsun]

5 minutes ago, Karhedron said:

 

A good point. It would not be out of character for GW to release the NIghtbringer as part of a box set first, thus encouraging 40K Necron players to buy the KT set just to get the shard.

 

Just as an aside, I wonder if we will get any Necron terrain in the Tomb World set? That would be kinda neat.

Tomb World will come with Necron style walls like 'Into the dark' as well as necron scatter terrain

[Emicus]

Maaaan he lost the (blank)gutters, truly a sad day.

[sockwithaticket]

As updated models go, this is one of the better ones.

Unfortunately, it does fall foul of some modern GW flaws - supersized unnecessarily and over-designed. Less really is more in most circumstances.

[Karhedron]

I really like the new model but I do sympathise with Necron players who will have to transport this as it looks to have a lot of fragile bits.

[Orange Knight]

This is a fantastic upgrade, but this leak was definitely not planned. The release is so far away, and it clearly spoils the big centerpiece model at the end of a release wave.

[Captain Idaho]

Really like the model. The scarabs are a concept paying homage to the original model, though their removal doesn't look an issue for folk who want to either.

 

I think this model is a knockout.

 

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Just had a little lookey again and I don't think it is wise to remove the Scarabs to the right (model's left) as the model pose leans to the other side and it provides a balance effect.

 

Unless you want to replace the scarabs with something suitable to offset the pose. Which would be interesting as a conversion as is.

Edited Friday at 09:34 AM by Captain Idaho

[Emperor Ming]

I don't like the leg sticking out

[ZeroWolf]

I suspect given the timings, that Nightbringer was meant to be released as part of the end of narrative campaign, hence the 2026 tag (or alternatively, Necrons are amongst the first to get a codex again in 11th like they did in 10th but are getting this guy). This could add weight to theories that the end of narrative is the finale to the pariah nexus but that is still speculation.

[Karhedron]

I am not sure about a narrative campaign for 40K. This all seems to indicate that the Nightbringer was coming out as part of a Kill Team expansion. I am sure there will be an end-of-edition campaign but my hunch is that they will use this to expand the narrative rather than revisit older lore.

[Orange Knight]

9 minutes ago, Karhedron said:

I am not sure about a narrative campaign for 40K. This all seems to indicate that the Nightbringer was coming out as part of a Kill Team expansion. I am sure there will be an end-of-edition campaign but my hunch is that they will use this to expand the narrative rather than revisit older lore.

 

It would be very cool if an entire Kill Team was just the Nightbringer on his own, but thematically I'm struggling to believe that any killteam could take on a C'Tan shard

[firestorm40k]

40 minutes ago, Karhedron said:

I am not sure about a narrative campaign for 40K. This all seems to indicate that the Nightbringer was coming out as part of a Kill Team expansion. I am sure there will be an end-of-edition campaign but my hunch is that they will use this to expand the narrative rather than revisit older lore.

I think it's meant to be the end of the narrative for this season of Kill Team - like the 'Into the Dark' Gallowdark season's narrative ended with the space hulk crashing into a planet. Not sure if it'll have any repercussions for wider 40k 

[Antarius]

I actually think it would be quite out of character for GW to release this in a Kill Team box.
Part of a box set, like an army box or a X vs Necrons box? Sure, I could see that.

Part of a Kill Team box set? I mean, don't know it for a fact, but I'd be very surprised if that were the case.

 

Like I said, I don't know, of course, but I'd actually bet money that this is not going to be a Kill Team release.

I mean, they mention it will have Kill Team rules, but so does a lot of other Warhammer 40.000 models and it's basically as a sort of "end boss" for a game mode that isn't even the primary game mode (and, while co-op Kill Team is very interesting to me, personally, it certainly doesn't seem to be the main selling point of Kill Team - in fact it seems more like an afterthought than something they'd base an entire release on).

Also, one might note that the mention of its Kill Team rules are framed as "it's not just Warhammer 40.000 players who can look forward to facing down this ancient Star God", pretty much stating flat out that it's a Warhammer 40.000 model first and Kill Team second.

Edited Friday at 10:52 AM by Antarius

[DemonGSides]

3 hours ago, Karhedron said:

A good point. It would not be out of character for GW to release the NIghtbringer as part of a box set first, thus encouraging 40K Necron players to buy the KT set just to get the shard.

 

Based on the photos we got I would say this is a foregone conclusion. No reason to bundle all that into a single book if they aren't all releasing in the same box. 

[Antarius]

29 minutes ago, DemonGSides said:

 

Based on the photos we got I would say this is a foregone conclusion. No reason to bundle all that into a single book if they aren't all releasing in the same box. 

Well, the Raptors and the Sisters definitely don't seem to be releasing in the same box as the Nightbringer.

 

Edit: Unless I'm misunderstanding the new article on WarCom. Stranger things would have happened, of course, but I don't think I am...

Edited Friday at 11:51 AM by Antarius

[DemonGSides]

8 minutes ago, Antarius said:

Well, the Raptors and the Sisters definitely don't seem to be releasing in the same box as the Nightbringer.

 

Edit: Unless I'm misunderstanding the new article on WarCom. Stranger things would have happened, of course...

 

Yeah I think you might've just missed this blurb;

 

 

For any of the releases so far that have included the Joint Ops stuff, they've also included a squad of enemies to fight against; the Tyranid set came with some gaunts, this upcoming DW set is coming with Necron Warriors and Scarabs, outside of the two teams that it also includes.

It hasn't been HARD CONFIRMED, but I would say the preponderance of evidence points that he's coming in the same set as the leaks that we got, and that set was the Raptors v SoB.

 

And it makes sense from a GW business perspective; get people interested in necrons with the DW v Necron set, get them interested in SoB and CSM by including the Nighbringer in a different set.  They also tend to not include rules unless something is in the same box, considering that Nightbringer leak we got is written FULLY in KT language, it doesn't make any logical sense, nor any "GW Logic" (They don't tend to include EXTRA rules for things unless they are also providing the models for those extra rules, and any extra rules that are released that aren't tied to a mini are almost ALWAYS released through WarCom) for it not be the case.

Edited Friday at 11:55 AM by DemonGSides

[Indy Techwisp]

8 minutes ago, Antarius said:

Well, the Raptors and the Sisters definitely don't seem to be releasing in the same box as the Nightbringer.

 

Edit: Unless I'm misunderstanding the new article on WarCom. Stranger things would have happened, of course, but I don't think I am...

 

I mean you can see it fighting them in the article.

[Antarius]

I dunno. I think the box they showed in the video looks much more like a "regular" Kill Team box - and there's lots of NPO pages and pictures of models that aren't in the box for Typhon either, so I don't really think that's conclusive either way.

 

Also, why would they announce the Nightbringer one day, announce the Kill Team box he's supposedly in the next day, yet not announce that he's in it? I mean, they talk about the cardboard pieces in the box, so why leave out the Nightbringer, since he's already been revealed?

But time will tell, of course.

[DemonGSides]

It would be a big about face for the company for how 40k products work to suddenly start including rules for mini's that aren't in the boxes, so I guess time will tell!

7 minutes ago, Antarius said:

Also, why would they announce the Nightbringer one day, announce the Kill Team box he's supposedly in the next day, yet not announce that he's in it? I mean, they talk about the cardboard pieces in the box, so why leave out the Nightbringer, since he's already been revealed?

 

Obvious answer here is; they weren't planning on revealing them together and the Nightbringer was going to be a later surprise to juice hype.  They aren't revealing this now because they WANT to, but because someone in Spain leaked all their things.

[ZeroWolf]

If nightbringer is included, he's going to add to the box price substantially*. Though if I recall, either Octarius or Into the Dark were the most expensive KT boxes to date werent they? I wonder how this will compare.

 

* assuming Nightbringer has an individual price comparable to Void Dragon

[DemonGSides]

4 minutes ago, ZeroWolf said:

If nightbringer is included, he's going to add to the box price substantially*. Though if I recall, either Octarius or Into the Dark were the most expensive KT boxes to date werent they? I wonder how this will compare.

 

* assuming Nightbringer has an individual price comparable to Void Dragon

 

Individual cost of things has never informed the cost of a combo box.  Otherwise things like the battleforces would be $300+ USD instead of what they currently are.

 

Hell, the Army Fight boxes (Like Hexfire) would be $400 affairs if that's how it worked.

[mecanojavi99]

Based on the new article it's confirmed that the new new Celestian Insidiants are an antipsycker unit and that the new Raptors are a dual kit that also builds Warp Talons

 

[ZeroWolf]

4 minutes ago, DemonGSides said:

 

Individual cost of things has never informed the cost of a combo box.  Otherwise things like the battleforces would be $300+ USD instead of what they currently are.

 

Hell, the Army Fight boxes (Like Hexfire) would be $400 affairs if that's how it worked.

Wasn't it a %30 discount that GW tried to maintain on average with boxsets? A boxset worth £130 still gives one KT free effectively (just an example, if think individual KT prices vary a bit)

[Antarius]

39 minutes ago, DemonGSides said:

It would be a big about face for the company for how 40k products work to suddenly start including rules for mini's that aren't in the boxes, so I guess time will tell!

 

Obvious answer here is; they weren't planning on revealing them together and the Nightbringer was going to be a later surprise to juice hype.  They aren't revealing this now because they WANT to, but because someone in Spain leaked all their things.

Yeah, I'm not convinced either way at this point.

I mean, there were lots of minis missing from my Typhon box, if that'd been a hard and fast rule - there's NPO rules in the Typhon box for Termagants, Barbgaunts, Leapers (and there's downloadable NPO rules for a Lictor too), none of which are in the box. So there is precedent that they're including KT rules (and pictures) for NPO models that aren't in the box.

I also think it'd just be a bit weird for them to include a greater daemon type model in a KT box (and I mean, a squad of Hormagaunts are an entirely different thing) when they could sell it for around 100 GBP on its own. It also seems to me that it would shrink the market for the (in case the Nightbringer is included, probably quite expensive) box, rather than expand it (I guess it would basically be people who want to resell it, people who play sisters, CSM and Necrons in Warhammer 40.000, people who play co-op Kill Team and don't mind splurging a lot of money on one scenario, and people who really don't want to wait for the Nightbringer to get its inevitable Warhammer 40.000 release).

Putting models from three different Warhammer 40.000 factions in there is certainly unprecedented, but again, we shall see.

Also, it might be that the box they show in the video is just something they hastily put together (I have no idea how particular they are about box layout or how long that kind of thing takes them to whip out), but it certainly looked like it was the same format as the regular two kill team boxes, rather than the larger and differently shaped Typhon-size box.

Edit: also, the Nightbringer reveal is filed under Warhammer 40.000 on the community site and the Warhammer 40.000 logo is in the video. It might mean they just don't want to reveal that it's going to be a Kill Team release, despite saying it's going to get Kill Team rules, but, well...

I don't have a particular stake in this (other than not particularly wanting to bother with selling off the Nightbringer if he's in the box, I guess), I'm just saying, temper your expectations. I think if you come at the text of yesterday's article and today's article without preconceptions of the Nightbringer being a KT release, there's more that points in the other direction, but once again, it's not like I know it for a fact.

Edited Friday at 12:46 PM by Antarius

[DemonGSides]

1 minute ago, Antarius said:

also think it'd just be a bit weird for them to include a greater daemon type model in a KT box (and I mean, a squad of Hormagaunts are an entirely different thing) when they could sell it for around 100 GBP on its own

 

They'll do both, this will just be the introduction box for the model.  This is pretty routine for how GW operates; big box to release a model (Look at every Battleforce for this edition) and drive up hype, and then release it a few weeks later on it's own.  Pretty standard operation.

 

 

I don't care any way it goes; I don't play any of these factions, the CSM jump troops are ugly as sin and the SoB are overwrought even for a faction that normally is overwrought with decorations.  I just think it's A) unknown and B) plenty of precedent for it to happen.

[Antarius]

I don't think it's ever happened with a model of that size (and, perhaps more importantly, price point), though? I can't recall if Angron and Fulgrim released in the army boxes or separately? It's certainly never happened that a model that size has debuted in a box for a different game, but these are uncertain times, so who knows?

Edited Friday at 12:59 PM by Antarius