Total War: Warhammer 40,000, Dawn of War IV and Gaijin-tank game rumours

[Wispy]

the Iron Harvest guys working on DoW 4 is the industry's worst secret. 

[Deus_Ex_Machina]

18 hours ago, Marshal Rohr said:

Because the lore will make you end it all? Me too buddy. Me too. 
 

“oh no Planet X is being invaded by Orks and Eldar and world eaters and death guard and thousand sons and dark eldar and the imperial guard and the traitor guard and now the Tau are here uh oh the Votann and Kroot have shown up”

 

Total microtransaction clown show and has shown how bad the trashware games have impacted the future of Warhammer video games. 

So this is going to be a State of Survival game with a 40K skin? At least balance will then be okay because the person who invests more via microtransactions will have the advantage over the F2P peasant folk.

[TheVoidDragon]

8 hours ago, Marshal Rohr said:

How much did it cost to get all the Warhammer DLC on release to stay current (and preorder Chaos Warriors) across all three games? It’s expensive. Paradox expensive with none of the depth. 

 

If you buy all the DLC at full price then of course that's going to add up to quite a lot, but that's for content from over 30 years of WHFB with them going deep into the lore to add basically everything they can find to fill it out as much as they can. The majority of content is available from just buying the games, and even if don't buy the DLC it still shows up within your games in use by the AI.  Unless you specifically want to play using the specific stuff included then none of the DLC is necessary, You don't need to buy all all of it. It's not like Paradox games where if you don't buy them you're getting a sub-standard version of what amounts to a half-complete feature so without them you don't have the "proper" game.

 

I wouldn't conflate expansion pack DLC with microtransactions regardless though. They're quite different things. 

Edited August 17 by TheVoidDragon

[Halandaar]

22 hours ago, mecanojavi99 said:

No one remembers Dark Nexus? That was supposed to be a 40K MOBA in the style of LoL but was cancelled

 

We remember it, it's just not relevant. I mean we don't act like there should never be another Warhammer MMO because Age of Reckoning was shut down do we?

Edited August 17 by Halandaar

[Joe]

Which is also amusing, as Age of Reckoning lives on via the community-run servers with tacit support from EA and GW.

[Daylight]

I like everything about all of these rumors. Total War and Dawn of War are series I’ll always be interested in, and I’m very intrigued by a 40K tank game. I know World of Tanks has had 40K crossovers already that actually felt well done, so I’m hopeful that they’ll handle the setting properly. 

[Dark Shepherd]

I think for Tw40k the map would have to be at least an entire system not a DoW planet, my guess would be each province is a planet, Id go for each settlement is a planet and that way so many factions can be represented. Apologies to White Scars but the Nids turn up like the Mongols in Medieval

 

Maybe siege mechanics change to orbital landing mechanic

[Shinespider]

My guess is that a WoT-style 40k game wouldn't actually be tanks. It would be Knights or Titans. 

[Halandaar]

10 hours ago, Dark Shepherd said:

Id go for each settlement is a planet and that way so many factions can be represented. 

 

Don't think this would work - that'd effectively be like having a traditional Total War game where the entire map is sea and every settlement it's own tiny island, where the majority of battles are between ships rather than armies. It also really only allows factions like Space Marines to excel because planetary assaults and boarding actions is their thing; it would take away most of the identity of a faction like the Guard, which is all about massive grinding land battle campaigns, and would pretty much invalidate things like Knights altogether.

 

For any TW:40K game you have to strike a balance where space is important, but it's not the defining feature. This isn't Battlefleet Gothic, after all. So IMO what you want is a star system with 3-6 main planets on it, where each planet is roughly analogous to a continent in TW:W and space is the sea that separates them. That way you can have armies moving between planets and boarding actions (just like travelling across the sea and naval battles in TW:W), but the majority of the warfare is about conquering the planets themselves. Sure some will be relatively small where taking a single location is enough control the entire planet, but others need to massive with multiple battlefronts, hive cities and spaceports to take.

 

 

 

 

[Cactus]

My friend just sent me this link. Apparently it's a leaked teaser for you know what.

 

[Halandaar]

26 minutes ago, Cactus said:

My friend just sent me this link. Apparently it's a leaked teaser for you know what.

 

Think you need to take a closer look at the logos of the "plans" for 2026-2028 

[Marshal Reinhard]

6 hours ago, Halandaar said:

 

Think you need to take a closer look at the logos of the "plans" for 2026-2028 

As opposed to the video stating that TW:WH 4 will take place on the moon? Or that there will be yearly releases of a new TW:WH for the next 39997 years. And that if you do buy each and every of the 40000, TW:WH's you'll unlock the: "New Super Mega Ultra Hyper Gigantic Colossal Titanic Jumbo Gargantuan Grand wahoo (sic) Immortal Galaxy Empires" campaign.

 

But yeah, I'm sure the logos of the plans for 2026, 2028 was the dead(est) giveaway

Edited August 18 by Marshal Reinhard

[Halandaar]

1 hour ago, Marshal Reinhard said:

As opposed to the video stating that TW:WH 4 will take place on moon? Or that there will yearly releases of a new TW:WH for the next 39997 years. And that if you do buy each and every of the 40000, TW:WH's you'll unlock the: "New Super Mega Ultra Hyper Gigantic Colossal Titanic Jumbo Gargantuan Grand wahoo (sic) Immortal Galaxy Empires" campaign.

 

But yeah, I'm sure the logos of the plans for 2026, 2028 was the dead(est) giveaway

 

In my defence I watched it with the sound off 

[Cactus]

21 minutes ago, Halandaar said:

 

In my defence I watched it with the sound off 

Same here. It's a busy day at work and I haven't time for fact checking. 

[sitnam]

18 hours ago, Shinespider said:

My guess is that a WoT-style 40k game wouldn't actually be tanks. It would be Knights or Titans. 

 

I think a Knight scale game would be awesome. Titans are cool, but at Titan scale you could still have squads of infantry and smaller vehicles be threatening without having to resort to rediculous number of enemies. And I just like Knight scale stuff better

[Commissar Greif]

I'm a bit iffy on the idea of a 40K total war game. I feel like "modern" warfare doesn't really work in the game's style. Early modern, sure. Empire and Shogun II's Fall of the Samurai are two of my favorite TW games, but anything past the mid-19th century tends to get messy. Napoleon's Great War mod has the issue of units quickly getting wiped off the board by enemy fire, and that's with just the bolt action weapons. Once you start accounting for machine guns, mortars, long-range artillery, etc. the whole situation just gets even messier.

 

If they were to do any other Warhammer property as a Total War game, I feel like Age of Sigmar would be the best bet. A natural progression from WHFB, with different theaters based off the different realms, sort of like how Empire had the Americas, India, and Europe, Eurasia, the Middle East, & North Africa.

[DemonGSides]

53 minutes ago, Commissar Greif said:

If they were to do any other Warhammer property as a Total War game, I feel like Age of Sigmar would be the best bet. A natural progression from WHFB, with different theaters based off the different realms, sort of like how Empire had the Americas, India, and Europe, Eurasia, the Middle East, & North Africa.

 

That'll come 4 years after the Wh40k trilogy wraps up!

Only semi joking.

[sitnam]

2 hours ago, Commissar Greif said:

If they were to do any other Warhammer property as a Total War game, I feel like Age of Sigmar would be the best bet. A natural progression from WHFB, with different theaters based off the different realms, sort of like how Empire had the Americas, India, and Europe, Eurasia, the Middle East, & North Africa.

 

I think they could do some reallllly cool stuff with the open setting of AoS. The biggest problem is that most factions don't have a ton of depth in terms of roster, but that not might a bad thing. As much as a I have loved the TWWH trilogy, I think some of the roster additions just feel like bloat. 40k just doesn't seem right without changing the battle formula

[Commissar Greif]

4 hours ago, sitnam said:

 

I think they could do some reallllly cool stuff with the open setting of AoS. The biggest problem is that most factions don't have a ton of depth in terms of roster, but that not might a bad thing. As much as a I have loved the TWWH trilogy, I think some of the roster additions just feel like bloat. 40k just doesn't seem right without changing the battle formula

GW and Cubicle 7 have been working on fleshing AOS out a bit more over the last couple of years. That in mind, Creative Assembly themselves were able to further flesh out factions like Cathay and Kislev whose lore has been largely relegated to small tidbits and outdated RPG books for the last few years. I feel like they'd be able to figure out some decent lore for AOS if given the chance (and some oversight and notes by GW, obv).

[TheVoidDragon]

10 hours ago, Commissar Greif said:

GW and Cubicle 7 have been working on fleshing AOS out a bit more over the last couple of years. That in mind, Creative Assembly themselves were able to further flesh out factions like Cathay and Kislev whose lore has been largely relegated to small tidbits and outdated RPG books for the last few years. I feel like they'd be able to figure out some decent lore for AOS if given the chance (and some oversight and notes by GW, obv).

 

From what's been said about Cathay, Creative Assembly asked GW if they could do them, but it was GW who then developed and expanded their lore and turned the into a full faction for the Total War series to use.

[Emperor Ming]

1 minute ago, TheVoidDragon said:

 

From what's been said about Cathay, Creative Assembly asked GW if they could do them, but it was GW who then developed and expanded their lore and turned the into a full faction for the Total War series to use.

Yep thats correct

[Tastyfish]

17 hours ago, Commissar Greif said:

I'm a bit iffy on the idea of a 40K total war game. I feel like "modern" warfare doesn't really work in the game's style. Early modern, sure. Empire and Shogun II's Fall of the Samurai are two of my favorite TW games, but anything past the mid-19th century tends to get messy. Napoleon's Great War mod has the issue of units quickly getting wiped off the board by enemy fire, and that's with just the bolt action weapons. Once you start accounting for machine guns, mortars, long-range artillery, etc. the whole situation just gets even messier.

 

If they were to do any other Warhammer property as a Total War game, I feel like Age of Sigmar would be the best bet. A natural progression from WHFB, with different theaters based off the different realms, sort of like how Empire had the Americas, India, and Europe, Eurasia, the Middle East, & North Africa.

 

I almost wonder if 40K is a good halfway model for testing something ahead of a Total (Great) War or Total World War II

[CL_Mission]

Groovy looking Necron character, there are some other factions here too.

[darkhorse0607]

Already have more hype for this over Dawn of War 3 based on that shot alone

 

Don't crush my hopes and dreams devs

[TheVoidDragon]

8 minutes ago, CL_Mission said:

Groovy looking Necron character, there are some other factions here too.

 

I really hope it's something close to DOW1/DOW2, and if it is by the developer of Iron Harvest then it's a lot better quality and depth than that game had. The art style they seem to be going for is something that I can't say gives too much confidence as everything looks quite cartoony/arcadey, clean and smooth.

It's an odd assortment of factions though, definitely did not expect Mechanicus or Necrons instead of Eldar and Chaos.