Video Game Dawn of War IV (New Story Trailer Page 5)

[twopounder]

On 8/19/2025 at 3:47 PM, Wispy said:

I worked on both DoW II and DoW III and this looks a lot more like DoW II to me with scaled up base building. Which is a red flag in itself... DOW2 is very tactical, micro intensive and doesn't scale up well. I fear they're going to arrive at the same thing conclusion we did in the end: probably should have just followed up on a sequel of DoW1 gameplay in the first place.

 

CoH 1 showed that there was a happy medium between DoW 1 and 2. Larger units, base building, more tactical with unit abilities and a lot more environmental interaction. DoW 2 felt way too small and DoW 3 made marines feel as feeble as grot.

[Mogger351]

7 hours ago, No Foes Remain said:

Call me crytical, but why is he there? Would be far more interesting to see the Blood Ravens dive deeper into the roots of what they once had on Kronus (their old keep) than the DA and the Lion turn up to turn the tide.

 

The more I see of DoW4 the less I'm liking, is this what it's like to get old? I don't want to be old, but my back and knees say otherwise....

I'm with you entirely. I think if it was so important that the dark angels appear to try and sell minis of the lion, they could simply have used the dark angels as the poster marines.

 

Yet oddly based on other online chat, thats a harder pill to swallow for some reason.

Edited December 5 by Mogger351

[Orange Knight]

Amazing that the Dark Angels and the Lion will feature in the story.

 

And now we have a probable reason as to why Black Library have been so quiet when it comes to the Lion. This game will likely be canon with the current setting, and they didn't want to spoil or lesson his impact in this story.

[Mogger351]

1 minute ago, Orange Knight said:

Amazing that the Dark Angels and the Lion will feature in the story.

 

And now we have a probable reason as to why Black Library have been so quiet when it comes to the Lion. This game will likely be canon with the current setting, and they didn't want to spoil or lesson his impact in this story.

So after reading the interviews, they don't know if their game is considered canon:

 

https://www.ign.com/articles/we-didnt-really-care-about-balance-how-the-developers-of-warhammer-40000-dawn-of-war-4-made-primarch-lion-eljonson-playable-in-game

 

Also it seems DA appeared because GW went "you've had 1 space marine chapter, yes, but what about second chapters?". Not sure I like that they've angled Blood Ravens into "the stealthy ones" either.

[No Foes Remain]

2 hours ago, Mogger351 said:

So after reading the interviews, they don't know if their game is considered canon:

 

https://www.ign.com/articles/we-didnt-really-care-about-balance-how-the-developers-of-warhammer-40000-dawn-of-war-4-made-primarch-lion-eljonson-playable-in-game

 

Also it seems DA appeared because GW went "you've had 1 space marine chapter, yes, but what about second chapters?". Not sure I like that they've angled Blood Ravens into "the stealthy ones" either.

That interview doesn't really fill me with confidence. Also, if I recall correctly but the Blood Ravens are based in the Nihilus and were recovering post DoW2 when the Cadian Gate broke and the Imperium split in two. Not because 'they are everywhere'.

 

It doesn't help that the Lion's 40k story is a bit, inconsistent. He's both leading the DA and rocking around the Nihilus collecting Fallen like Pokemon while jumping around to save Imperial forces.

[Subtleknife]

Seems cool to me.

 

Complete speculation on my part, but I find it hard to believe GW were like "it'd be cool if you used DA" etc. I wonder if this means we might see some new DA units around the time DoW4 releases. I feel GW arent too great at tying in media to their own releases, so who knows.

[Marshal Reinhard]

There doesn't need to be a connection between BR and DA for the matchup to be interesting. Two sepperate and secretive and kinda :cuss:-ish chapters is prepping the scene for conflict. 

 

I'm not overly a fan of either but this peaks my interest

Edited December 5 by Marshal Reinhard

[Mogger351]

16 minutes ago, Marshal Reinhard said:

There doesn't need to be a connection between BR and DA for the matchup to be interesting. Two sepperate and secretive and kinda :cuss:-ish chapters is prepping the scene for conflict. 

 

I'm not overly a fan of either but this peaks my interest

It just seems needless dilution of the story and both chapters character to force them both in imo.

[SkimaskMohawk]

4 hours ago, Mogger351 said:

Not sure I like that they've angled Blood Ravens into "the stealthy ones" either

 

Back in 4th edition part of their chapter tactics was infiltration so....at least there's some sort of precedent lol

[Nagashsnee]

I dont like the inclusion of the Dark Angels. Dawn of War has always been the Blood Ravens thing. Including a first founding chapter and a Primarch no less feel very 'forced by sales/marketing/GW'.

 

It also makes the Universe feel smaller when the big names are in everything. Will the DLC have cawl? Etc.  Should have been pure Blood Ravens.

 

 

[Son of Rawl]

I don't want to get hyped for this but that trailer did more for me than Creative Assemblys announcement. If we can Forest Walk him about the map, it will be worth every penny.

[Mogger351]

14 minutes ago, Son of Rawl said:

I don't want to get hyped for this but that trailer did more for me than Creative Assemblys announcement. If we can Forest Walk him about the map, it will be worth every penny.

They clarified he's playable in 1 mission.

[Jukkiz]

Huh... that explains things 

[DemonGSides]

I know reading articles is hard, but the IGN article being used as a prop in that comparison actually has a good explanation.  Having Angelos available would wreck a lot of the power scaling that happens early; he's either going to be too strong to be an early game character, or they'd have to retread the "powering up Angelos" trope done in previous games.

 

Meanwhile, The Lion has been confirmed to be in the game, but usable in a single mission.  That feels appropriate.

[Mogger351]

3 minutes ago, DemonGSides said:

I know reading articles is hard, but the IGN article being used as a prop in that comparison actually has a good explanation.  Having Angelos available would wreck a lot of the power scaling that happens early; he's either going to be too strong to be an early game character, or they'd have to retread the "powering up Angelos" trope done in previous games.

 

Meanwhile, The Lion has been confirmed to be in the game, but usable in a single mission.  That feels appropriate.

Or... have Gabriel Angelos as the big marine hero in the final mission and leave the boys in green at home for the blood ravens OG series

[DemonGSides]

21 minutes ago, Mogger351 said:

Or... have Gabriel Angelos as the big marine hero in the final mission and leave the boys in green at home for the blood ravens OG series

 

I mean sure, but you're oblivious if you thought we weren't getting a primarch in this game in some shape or way or form.

 

One of the two imperial primarchs was showing up no matter what. They've been the lodestone of Imperial stories since Gathering Storm; everything involves them in some way.  Showing up for a single mission at the end of the campaign at least feels suitably epic, whereas slow rolling Angelo's back to power from lvl 1 is like... We have done this already. Twice, actually. 

[Mogger351]

7 minutes ago, DemonGSides said:

 

I mean sure, but you're oblivious if you thought we weren't getting a primarch in this game in some shape or way or form.

 

One of the two imperial primarchs was showing up no matter what. They've been the lodestone of Imperial stories since Gathering Storm; everything involves them in some way.  Showing up for a single mission at the end of the campaign at least feels suitably epic, whereas slow rolling Angelo's back to power from lvl 1 is like... We have done this already. Twice, actually. 

What games have come out in the last decade with a loyalist primarch in? Because the answer is 0 I believe?

[ZeroWolf]

12 minutes ago, Mogger351 said:

What games have come out in the last decade with a loyalist primarch in? Because the answer is 0 I believe?

What games would have been suitable for them though? I think if you're going to stick a Primarch in a game, an RTS might be the best choice.

 

Is there any games where the demon primarchs appear?

[Mogger351]

22 minutes ago, ZeroWolf said:

What games would have been suitable for them though? I think if you're going to stick a Primarch in a game, an RTS might be the best choice.

 

Is there any games where the demon primarchs appear?

Chaos Gate has Mortarion for a final fight (sorry if that's a spoiler, it's not a recent game). Think that's it?

[Nephaston]

40 minutes ago, Mogger351 said:

What games have come out in the last decade with a loyalist primarch in? Because the answer is 0 I believe?

Battlefleet Gothic: Armada II has Guilliman iirc.

 

28 minutes ago, ZeroWolf said:

Is there any games where the demon primarchs appear?

Chaosgate Daemonhunters has Mortarion

[Magos Takatus]

On 9/29/2025 at 5:42 PM, bristlybadger said:

Now they're yellow and has always been yellow, apparently. I don't mind, myself. 

I need to get a full-auto lasgun and make it cycle through the entire spectrum just to confuse and disorientate the target. A full RGB setup for my rifle. 

[Mechanicus Tech-Support]

I have a feeling the 1 mission the Lion's usable in is gonna be the rts classic "unit(Lion) must survive" type thing. We wont actually control the Lion but have to keep up with, like that land raider mission in one of the earlier dow

Edited December 5 by Mechanicus Tech-Support

[DemonGSides]

4 hours ago, Mechanicus Tech-Support said:

I have a feeling the 1 mission the Lion's usable in is gonna be the rts classic "unit(Lion) must survive" type thing. We wont actually control the Lion but have to keep up with, like that land raider mission in one of the earlier dow

 

Most articles I've seen have directly called him controllable, so I don't think it'll be that.  But it'll definitely require keeping him alive or at least being able to respawn him.

 

Here's an interview (I don't think it's been posted yet) talking about this new change and how it will effect the game; https://www.ign.com/articles/we-didnt-really-care-about-balance-how-the-developers-of-warhammer-40000-dawn-of-war-4-made-primarch-lion-eljonson-playable-in-game

 

Short of it is that the DA are playable in the SM Campaign and will be a more go wide strategy of using all your toys, whereas the Blood Raven stuff will be more espionage and tactical gameplay.  They'll also have access to separate heroes.  Lion's a fun one mission guy to do some zany stuff with and then besides two cutscenes, he's otherwise not part of the game.  That feels about right for a RTS Campaign.

Edited December 5 by DemonGSides

[Orange Knight]

So is Gabriel Angelos really not going to be in this game?

 

The reason stated in that interview just seems absurd now.

[Sothalor]

"Gabriel Angelo's is overpowered."

 

Meanwhile the face of the Blood Ravens in the trailer is my boy Cyrus.

 

The perma-invisible, infinite det pack, one-man mission clearing machine.

 

If you played DoW 2, you know.