New Balance Dataslate Just Dropped

[jaxom]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/htklvbct/warhammer-40000-balance-dataslate-arrives-a-little-early/

[Malakithe]

Damn my main BA list took a big hit in point....going to need to cut something

[Urkh]

Votann hearthband detachment <3<3<3

[AvePicante]

8 minutes ago, Urkh said:

Votann hearthband detachment <3<3<3

What actually changed? I never played it before, but I have the original printed at home somewhere

[Orange Knight]

The whole thing leaked, so they had to drop it early.

 

Time to have a little look:.

 

Edit:

 

Ok, some early impressions...

 

Very happy that the Redemptor Dreadnought got a price drop. He was way too expensive.

 

Blood Angel Sanguinary Guard - wow! What a boost to their profile. Could be too cheap now despite their small bump in cost.

 

The Lion is a lot better, but did he really need a boost? His rules feel more in line with Guilliman. 

 

I like what I see with the Mechanicus, and Cawl especially. But seriously I'd just prefer a new codex at this point. The profiles and general rules have been changed so significantly from what is printed...

 

 

Edited 5 hours ago by Orange Knight

[Plaguecaster]

Surprised death guard didn't get touched at all was expecting massive nerfs I guess GW think that last massive points increase was all they needed

[DemonGSides]

1 hour ago, Orange Knight said:

Blood Angel Sanguinary Guard - wow! What a boost to their profile. Could be too cheap now despite their small bump in cost.

 

Still T4 bodies so probably pretty fairly priced.

4 minutes ago, Plaguecaster said:

Surprised death guard didn't get touched at all was expecting massive nerfs I guess GW think that last massive points increase was all they needed

 

Points have felt like enough in my games playing them since the change last month.

[MagicHat]

2 hours ago, Orange Knight said:

I like what I see with the Mechanicus, and Cawl especially. But seriously I'd just prefer a new codex at this point. The profiles and general rules have been changed so significantly from what is printed...

 

 

 

Giving Ironstriders double the A and twinlinked is certainly a choice, although I guess the Onager phosphor blaster was already turned into double shots with twinlinked.

[Urkh]

3 hours ago, AvePicante said:

What actually changed? I never played it before, but I have the original printed at home somewhere

 

The detachment rule changed from rr1s to hit to rr1s to wound vs the closest target/melee. And we still get +1 ap to hearthguard and any unit with a khal+uthar attached.

 

Old rapid fire strat now gives +1 STR, and if you spend a yp, sus 1, and no longer excludes blast weapons.

 

Bastion shield enhancement (AoC for the unit) can spend a yp to increase its range to 18" (from 12") and can be put on any character.

 

Warriors and hearthguard with khals are now amazing. Steeljacks with the bastion shield on a memnyr are an anchor. 

 

It may not seem like a lot, but the old version was just extremely anti synergistic with the new rules, and now the detachment makes sense, and can put out the numbers.

Edited 2 hours ago by Urkh

[Orange Knight]

2 hours ago, DemonGSides said:

 

Still T4 bodies so probably pretty fairly priced.

 

 

T4 bodies with a 2+ armour save that fly, and now have weapon skill 2+

 

What other units in the Astartes range have similar characteristics?

[HeadlessCross]

4 hours ago, Orange Knight said:

The whole thing leaked, so they had to drop it early.

 

Time to have a little look:.

 

Edit:

 

Ok, some early impressions...

 

Very happy that the Redemptor Dreadnought got a price drop. He was way too expensive.

 

Blood Angel Sanguinary Guard - wow! What a boost to their profile. Could be too cheap now despite their small bump in cost.

 

The Lion is a lot better, but did he really need a boost? His rules feel more in line with Guilliman. 

 

I like what I see with the Mechanicus, and Cawl especially. But seriously I'd just prefer a new codex at this point. The profiles and general rules have been changed so significantly from what is printed...

 

 

The Sanguinary Guard was a terrible change because part of the reason to use Dante with them was the +1 to hit. -1 to hit in melee basically never comes up.