New Calgar, Sicarius, and Victrix Guard miniatures

[SkimaskMohawk]

1 hour ago, Crimson Longinus said:

Pretty powerful rules for the Smurfs. Is Matt Ward back? Weird how adding some gaudy gold trims on your armour improves your armour save. 

 

Always has, going back to the days of artificer armour as an upgrade for seargents. Whenever a non-terminator model had 2+ saves there were people to complain about it not being artificed enough lol

[Orange Knight]

1 hour ago, Crimson Longinus said:

Pretty powerful rules for the Smurfs. Is Matt Ward back? Weird how adding some gaudy gold trims on your armour improves your armour save. 

 

This is nothing new, and it's not unique to this unit.

 

On another note, Cato Sicarius is an interesting character. He's definitely better than the old version but his use is still limited.

As a positive his rules finally show off his skills as a swordsman and he looks to be one of the best sword users across the Astartes range. 

I just don't imagine people will be using this model AND Calgar, but I could be wrong. He could be priced competitively and become a staple.

[nodnol88]

47 minutes ago, Orange Knight said:

 

This is nothing new, and it's not unique to this unit.

 

On another note, Cato Sicarius is an interesting character. He's definitely better than the old version but his use is still limited.

As a positive his rules finally show off his skills as a swordsman and he looks to be one of the best sword users across the Astartes range. 

I just don't imagine people will be using this model AND Calgar, but I could be wrong. He could be priced competitively and become a staple.

I was waiting to see his rules, mainly to see how he works with the VG, and I have to say, I’ll be picking him up tomorrow on preorder and not Calgar.

 

I still think Gravis Calgar is at risk for 11th, unless we see a reboxing as Calgar in Heraclus, but that means I have time before making that purchase. 
 

I just play kitchen hammer so it’s rule of cool and Sicarius and 6 VG is going in the basket tomorrow (along with the new upgrade sprue).

 

Who knows what the competitive scene will make of it. I don’t know enough to comment with any authority but movement manipulation tends to be a really valuable commodity so who knows.

 

 

[Crimson Longinus]

3 hours ago, Orange Knight said:

 

This is nothing new, and it's not unique to this unit.

 

It is still annoying. If they have some super armour then it should actually look distinctive. Bladeguard, Sword Brethren and Headtakers all wear armour that actually looks more different and up-armoured compared to normal tacticus, but none of those get 2+ save and they've got one wound less as well. 

[NorthernUltramarines]

1 hour ago, Crimson Longinus said:

 

It is still annoying. If they have some super armour then it should actually look distinctive. Bladeguard, Sword Brethren and Headtakers all wear armour that actually looks more different and up-armoured compared to normal tacticus, but none of those get 2+ save and they've got one wound less as well. 

I definitely think the models have what it takes to classify it at “Artificer Armour”, especially as I’ve always taken it as the armour has had additional care and love put into it. The machine spirit in the armour is stronger, they’ve used higher quality parts, etc. Even if the outside is slightly less flashy, these are the bodyguards for Guilliman so I would expect them to be better than most other 1st company marines.

[Orange Knight]

2 hours ago, Crimson Longinus said:

 

It is still annoying. If they have some super armour then it should actually look distinctive. Bladeguard, Sword Brethren and Headtakers all wear armour that actually looks more different and up-armoured compared to normal tacticus, but none of those get 2+ save and they've got one wound less as well. 

 

I'm not sure what you're after. They look dressed up and blinged out, but not ridiculous. 

They armour definitely comes across as an artificer variant to me, more so than the Headtakers. 

 

The Space Wolf kit is superb, but the furs and talisman are a different kind of decoration when compared the the Victrix's more ostentatious armour.

[Crimson Longinus]

1 minute ago, Orange Knight said:

 

I'm not sure what you're after.

 

An actual difference in the design of the armour. Look how Sicarius's armour looks, it is not just a basic intercessor tacticus with some extra bling glued on the edges, it has actually a different design. Look how BA muscle armour looks, same thing.

 

1 minute ago, Orange Knight said:

They look dressed up and blinged out, but not ridiculous. 

 

 

I mean, they do look a bit ridiculous, especially with those terrible helmets that look like a bird flew on their face. And the gold trims are just gaudy. 

 

 

1 minute ago, Orange Knight said:

They armour definitely comes across as an artificer variant to me, more so than the Headtakers. 

 

Headtakers armour is like Bladeguard and Sword Brethren armour, it has actually different design than normal tacticus. It is not as obvious than the BA muscle armour, but at least it has something more than mere decoration.

 

 

1 minute ago, Orange Knight said:

The Space Wolf kit is superb, but the furs and talisman are a different kind of decoration when compared the the Victrix's more ostentatious armour.

 

Yet, they have no 2+ save, nor do DA Inner Circle guard, nor BT Sword Brethren. Ultras get that an a fourth wound. Seems rather Wardian to me. 

[Orange Knight]

23 minutes ago, Crimson Longinus said:

 

An actual difference in the design of the armour. Look how Sicarius's armour looks, it is not just a basic intercessor tacticus with some extra bling glued on the edges, it has actually a different design. Look how BA muscle armour looks, same thing.

 

 

I mean, they do look a bit ridiculous, especially with those terrible helmets that look like a bird flew on their face. And the gold trims are just gaudy. 

 

 

There is no hard and fast rule for Artificer armour. Some can look more sculpted, some can look more decorated.  These helmets which you don't like actually set them apart from regular Tacticus even more.

 

23 minutes ago, Crimson Longinus said:

Yet, they have no 2+ save, nor do DA Inner Circle guard, nor BT Sword Brethren. Ultras get that an a fourth wound. Seems rather Wardian to me. 

 

The Wolf Guard Terminator and the Deathwing Knights are far better in terms of rules compared to the generic Terminator variants, and we've all accepted that.

 

You should come to terms with the Victrix in the same way.

Edited 22 hours ago by Orange Knight

[Wispy]

11 minutes ago, Crimson Longinus said:

Yet, they have no 2+ save, nor do DA Inner Circle guard, nor BT Sword Brethren. Ultras get that an a fourth wound. Seems rather Wardian to me. 

Honour Guard have had a 2+ since 5th edition so i suppose you can say it's a Wardian in the sense it was his 5th edition codex that established that precedent.  In 4th edition only the Ancient and Champion had a 2+ save.

 

Headtakers have Wolves, shields (and invuls), and Headhunter rule which are objectively cooler 

[Wispy]

22 minutes ago, Orange Knight said:

The Wolf Guard Terminator and the Deathwing Knights are far better in terms of rules compared to the generic Terminator variants, and we've all accepted that.

 

You should come to terms with the Victrix in the same way.

I do think its more helpful in thinking of the Victrix in the Ultramarine equivalents of Deathwing Knights and Wolf Guard as the Chapters "elite of the elite infantry." That's more of a lore distinction though than a glance at the model line.

 

Headtakers and Inner Circle companions are more along the lines of Bladeguard+. Filling in their respective model lines in the same way these kits used to 

Edited 22 hours ago by Wispy

[Orange Knight]

I'd love to make more Terminator comparisons but unfortunately most chapters don't have unique variants. We shouldn't forget just how well the Space Wolves have been eating with their refreshed range.