New Calgar, Sicarius, and Victrix Guard miniatures

[Wispy]

On 10/26/2025 at 7:53 AM, Subtleknife said:

That’s far more than most of the other First Founding Chapters could even dream of. I’m sure the White Scars, Iron Hands, or Salamanders would kill for that level of variety. That is why I disagree specifically..

 

I hate this argument. Having decades of legacy rulebooks, legacy model lines, and thus decades of collectors and players collecting those models  and rulebooks does mean something and does elevate their importance for product development and support vs theoretical ones.

Edited October 27 by Wispy

[NorthernUltramarines]

Has anyone seen anything about the points coming out for these yet? Got mine built up (stunning models, even better looking in person!) and I'm waiting to play them, just waiting to get some points and datasheet downloads I can use.

[Orange Knight]

3 minutes ago, NorthernUltramarines said:

Has anyone seen anything about the points coming out for these yet? Got mine built up (stunning models, even better looking in person!) and I'm waiting to play them, just waiting to get some points and datasheet downloads I can use.

 

Funny enogh the points just went live on the Warhammer app, and there is even a new detachment, although I've not had a chance to take a look.

 

Victrix are 130 for 3, 210 for 6.

Calgar is 140

Cato is 120

 

I think Cato is far too expensive, he should be 90 points?

[Nephaston]

4 minutes ago, NorthernUltramarines said:

Has anyone seen anything about the points coming out for these yet? Got mine built up (stunning models, even better looking in person!) and I'm waiting to play them, just waiting to get some points and datasheet downloads I can use.

 

They just released the downloads a minute ago: Terminator Calgar is 140 pts, Sicarius is 120, Victrix Guard is 130 for 3, 210 for 6.

[NorthernUltramarines]

Thank you! Just looked at the detachment and it seems amazing! It's Gladius, but if you have Calgar on the field (not even as your warlord) you can re-pick Combat Doctrines? He's an amazing character, you can take him at a reduced price point, and now every turn you can choose to either advance and charge OR advance and shoot OR fall back and shoot.

You lose the fight on death strat, but gain this:

WHEN: Your opponent’s Shooting phase or the Fight phase, just after an enemy unit has selected its targets.

TARGET: One Adeptus Astartes unit from your army that was selected as the target of one or more of the attacking unit’s attacks.

EFFECT: Until the end of the phase, each time an attack targets your unit, if the Strength characteristic of that attack is greater than or equal to the Toughness characteristic of that unit, subtract 1 from the Wound roll.

 

Which again, seems good. Overall a nice update. Cato is pricey, but he is good. Victrix being 6 for 210 is music to my ears, they'll definitely be seeing some play.

Edited 9 hours ago by NorthernUltramarines
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[Subtleknife]

I would have liked something a bit different to Gladius. I'm not complaining as this seems to be a good detachment though. And I always think great models are better than great rules as they can always change - and we certainly have got some great models.

 

One tweak I would like is for Gman to get the same buff in the detachment. It is a bit odd from a narrative PoV that calgar can get the buff and not the primarch.

Edited 9 hours ago by Subtleknife

[Orange Knight]

New detachment seems pretty fantastic

[Casual Heresy]

Sicarius is over priced I think but everything else looks fine to me and is roughly what I expected. Glad the special detachment is a variant of Gladius as it means the list I wrote with speculative points only needs slight updates to work! 

Edited 9 hours ago by Casual Heresy

[Orange Knight]

41 minutes ago, Casual Heresy said:

Sicarius is over priced I think but everything else looks fine to me and is roughly what I expected. Glad the special detachment is a variant of Gladius as it means the list I wrote with speculative points only needs slight updates to work! 

 

I think the Terminator Calgar is also over-costed by about 20 points. As it stands, who wouldn't want the two extra Victrix for 60 points?

[Emperor Ming]

8 minutes ago, Orange Knight said:

 

I think the Terminator Calgar is also over-costed by about 20 points. As it stands, who wouldn't want the two extra Victrix for 60 points?

well and gravis amour stat differences, so yeah..oh and the fnp....

 

Budget Calgar needs to be cheaper

[Casual Heresy]

21 minutes ago, Orange Knight said:

 

As it stands, who wouldn't want the two extra Victrix for 60 points?

 

Me, because I still need to squeeze A full Victrix Guard Squad, 2x full Bladeguard Squads, 2x Land Raiders and a Repulsor Executioner into my 2k list and still have points to spare for objective grabbers and other support (which I have managed to my satisfaction).

 

Gravis Calgar will probably be the competitive way to go, but I would like to play with all the new eggs in one basket at least once.

[Blindhamster]

Considering points costs for my characters, cato and calgar seem fine. I also think victrix being cheaper than sanguinary guard is quite laughable, but then again, they're at least more expensive than both ICC and Headtakers, so thats probably not super far off where they should be. 

[jaxom]

Rules for Calgar, Cato, and VG have been added to the Space Marine Faction Pack. Special detachment is Gladius+Calgar. While Calgar is alive, you can use any Doctrine instead having to each once (can still only Doctrine three times per game).

Edited 6 hours ago by jaxom
Clarified detachment

[Emperor Ming]

Also just on a personal disappointed note, were at the point in the game where lethality is such an issue

 

The victrix guard have to have 4 wounds to be decent

[Karhedron]

9 minutes ago, Emperor Ming said:

The victrix guard have to have 4 wounds to be decent

 

BGVs, SangGuard, Headtakers etc have a 4++ Invuln save. 4 Wounds is in line with Company Heroes Overcharged plasma is quite a threat to these guys. Not saying that they are not good or competitive, just that they do not seem especially out-of-line.

[Mogger351]

42 minutes ago, Karhedron said:

 

BGVs, SangGuard, Headtakers etc have a 4++ Invuln save. 4 Wounds is in line with Company Heroes Overcharged plasma is quite a threat to these guys. Not saying that they are not good or competitive, just that they do not seem especially out-of-line.

I think you miss the forest for the trees there. The fact that 4 wounds is deemed reasonable and 4++ is considered standard to be considered a survivable elite unit is the problem. Imagine how a kasrkin feels. 

[Orange Knight]

Just a thought. 

 

New Calgar has the Terminator keyword, and he confers that to the unit he joins.

 

That means that the unit he joins has deepstrike. So Victrix or Aggressors he leads can teleport in like Terminators (Just makes Terminators even less attractive compared to other options...).

[L30n1d4s]

I don't think the "Terminator" key word conveys Deep Strike (that's why all Terminator units still have Deep Strike listed as one of their abilities on their Datasheet)

 

Where the "Terminator" key word might be relevant is certain Stratagems, Enhancements, etc. that key off of that Key Word.

Edited 4 hours ago by L30n1d4s

[Karhedron]

The Deep Strike rules say that every model in the unit must have the ability to use it. The DS ability is separate from the Terminator keyword. Therefore I am pretty sure Calgar does not give DS to any unit he joins. 

 

Rather it allows him to DS along with any Terminator unit he joins. 

[Nephaston]

It also opens up any squad he joins to benefit from 1st company task force stratagems that are otherwise dependent on Terminator/Sternguard/Vanguard/Bladeguard keywords

[HeadlessCross]

56 minutes ago, Karhedron said:

The Deep Strike rules say that every model in the unit must have the ability to use it. The DS ability is separate from the Terminator keyword. Therefore I am pretty sure Calgar does not give DS to any unit he joins. 

 

Rather it allows him to DS along with any Terminator unit he joins. 

Not that there's a point in doing that. Aggressors + his personal bodyguard is usually a better combo. You'd jave to have a Chapter specific Terminator unit (AKA Deathwing Knights or Deathwatch Terminators) to make that seem worthwhile. 

[Karhedron]

Although UMs can already use Ventris to teleport in a squad that does not normally have the DS ability.