New Calgar, Sicarius, and Victrix Guard miniatures

[ZeroWolf]

24 minutes ago, Mogger351 said:

It really does feel like they want to slowly remove flyers

I can sort of understand why to be fair. They sort of fit in awkwardly with the rules as they are.

[ThaneOfTas]

8 hours ago, Orange Knight said:

I would rather see Chaplain Dreadnoughts over Librarian Dreads.

Let's not be too hasty here, there's no good reason not to do both, but if forced to choose I'm going with Librarians every time 

[mecanojavi99]

3 hours ago, soviet1337 said:

I was thinking a primaris marines flyer but that may be wildly optimistic 

Weren't all current SM fliers retroactively made into Primaris lorewise? The same way Primaris can now use Terminator armour and Land Raiders

 

But it would be cool to finally see what an Overlord looks like

Edited September 21 by mecanojavi99

[phandaal]

On 9/20/2025 at 3:54 PM, Evil Eye said:

I love that insignia. It's simple, but so cool. And as you say a lot cooler than just being festooned with bits of Tyranid.

 

Agreed! Maybe because this kit is older resin, not too many people seem to remember it. They really did a great job making these guys look like veterans who went through the meat grinder. Which is appropriate for fighting Tyranids.

[Karhedron]

15 hours ago, ZeroWolf said:

I can sort of understand why to be fair. They sort of fit in awkwardly with the rules as they are.

 

It didn't help when GW reduced the table sizes.

[Indy Techwisp]

I hope the "fairly weighty reveal" they mentioned yesterday wasn't just the Grand Narrative thing...

[ZeroWolf]

I dont think it is (though the mention of Trazyn makes me wonder if he'll get his due at the end of narrative campaign) i suspect we'll get the model reveal at either 2 or 3

[Casual Heresy]

Further whispers from the Lord Rumourmonger @Chapter Master Valrak

 

Seems like the whispers are talking about an upgrade sprue. I'll be very happy if true. Rumoured contents of the combat patrol is interesting, though models wise I dosen't do much for me. Hopefully the new upgrade sprue isn't locked to that CP for any length of time if true.

 

 

 

 

[Indy Techwisp]

Ultramarines getting a big upgrade sprue is a point in favour of them becoming an LSM Supplement faction.

Y'know, unless all the Codex LSM Marines are getting an upgrade sprue as well...

[DemonGSides]

Can someone who wants to watch the video give a break down?

Nothing worse than a youtube drive by.

[Casual Heresy]

28 minutes ago, Indy Techwisp said:

Ultramarines getting a big upgrade sprue is a point in favour of them becoming an LSM Supplement faction.

Y'know, unless all the Codex LSM Marines are getting an upgrade sprue as well...

 

In my opinion all the first founding chapters should have an upgrade sprue on par with the BA and DA ones. 

 

Also a wee bit of news which I think has flown under the radar: the current Calgar has disappeared from the UK website. I'd kind of been hoping that we'd keep both versions like the old days of power armoured and terminator armoured Calgar but looks like it's not to be.

 

Summary for @DemonGSides:

 

- New upgrade sprue with many bells and whistles

- UM combat patrol consisting of new upgrade sprue, Tigurius, 3x Bladeguard, 3x Aggressors, 5x Reivers and 5x Intercessors

- Speculation of it all leading to Codex Supplement: Ultramarines

- Speculation that UM release will tie-into end of edition narrative with Ultramrines fighting Red Corsairs with a new Huron Blackheart model.

 

Edited September 26 by Casual Heresy

[Lord Nord in Gravis Armour]

Valrak continues to suffer from the belief that Centos was an Ultramarines character.

 

He isn't, either in the lore or in the released kit via model iconography or specific rules. In stark contrast to Areios, whom he mentions next and who actually is an Ultramarines character in the lore, has molded chapter iconography on his model, and has a loadout not present on the "Space Marine Captain" datasheet.

 

You can't use Centos as ammunition for an argument that Ultramarines need a supplement for all of their bespoke characters. Or if you do, you need to apply that rule to every other generic Marine model that's ever appeared in an Ultramarines color scheme.

 

 

Edited September 26 by Lord Nord in Gravis Armour

[Indy Techwisp]

5 minutes ago, Casual Heresy said:

 

In my opinion all the first founding chapters should have an upgrade sprue on par with the BA and DA ones. 

 

Also a wee bit of news which I think has flown under the radar: the current Calgar has disappeared from the UK website. I'd kind of been hoping that we'd keep both versions like the old days of power armoured and terminator armoured Calgar but looks like it's not to be.

 

Summary for @DemonGSides:

 

- New upgrade sprue with many bells and whistles

- UM combat patrol consisting of new upgrade sprue, Tigurius, 3x Bladeguard, 3x Aggressors, 5x Reivers and 5x Intercessors

- Speculation of it all leading to Codex Supplement: Ultramarines

- Speculation that UM release will tie-into end of edition narrative with Ultramrines fighting Red Corsairs with a new Huron Blackheart model.

 

That UM Combat Patrol would be a pretty nice set of minis to expand any chapter's army if it wasn't for Tigurius being in it. (Which also means it's not worth buying the box twice to grow an army quickly).

[TheMawr]

8 minutes ago, Indy Techwisp said:

Ultramarines getting a big upgrade sprue is a point in favour of them becoming an LSM Supplement faction.

Y'know, unless all the Codex LSM Marines are getting an upgrade sprue as well...

 

I think thats a big stretch, they have been the only to get upgrade sprues before.. and the upgrade sprues dont always come at the same time or are dispersed evenly. ( Imperial fists primaris upgrade sprue definitely did come a year before the others in a christmas boxset, and I think ultramarines one followed that one more quickly than the others, Farsight, Nightlords, Iron warriors have also had upgrade sprues without codices in the past.. and Night lords again more recently.)

 

Also Valrak completely ignores that limited edition models do not go in codexes. Personally I dont think there will be an Ultramarine supplement, they are first and foremost the posterboys of the Spacemarine codex, wich, for the record already had the datasheets for Calgar and Sicarius and Victrix guard (in another form.) .. there is nothing being added that wasnt already there, in contrary to Ravenguard and Whitescars for example.

 

Also remember, they could just show calgar if they wanted to cover the leak, instead they showed a fulll video they already had made ( this video was 100% not made in an hour on a sunday ) I think these 3 cover all the new miniature releases ( I do believe the upgrade sprue is possible as these are not always presented as such, especially if they are in a box first.)

 

I think the ending with his foil theory holds much more ground, especially as the Shadowhunt and Nightbringer reveal ( wich Im 99% certain is a campaign miniature, not a kill team one, even if the stories are linked ) really implied some things going on on the fringes of Ultramar. And I do think that is what the end of the Ultramarine reveal article referred to. I think that one was much less foily than the ultramarines getting their own codex.

 

 

Wild theory time.. I think the Epic hero combat patrols we know of are those typical end of edition campaign aligned boxsets they like to do in one form or another. And I think the white scars one ( forget the name of the Khan inside there.) might already be one ;

First book : Red, White and Blue (lol)

Red corsairs are doing their thing in Chogoris and the Ultramarines come to the aid of the white scars in full ... a typical spacemarine non-big-mcguffin war story that probably escalates towards the end of the book ( webway tearing into reality in chogoris ? necron tombworld rising up one one of the planets ? ) .. distress calls come from Ultramar about awakening tombworlds, but the Ultramarine chapter is divided among warzones far from home. oops. to be continued.

-- Ultramarine elite seperate releases with the book
-- Terminator box with the book ( or christmas )
-- Combat patrols : Khan+Whitescars, Tigirius+Ultramarines, Huron Blackheart+a traitor guard and CSM mix combat patrol.. or maybe two chaos combat patrols, traitor guard seperate (to fully capitalise on the kill team going out of rotation)

 

( I really need to start a topic for end of edition campaign theorising XD )

 

( btw : nothing I say above I say with confidence, apart from the Nightbringer not being a kill team release )

 

 

[Orange Knight]

Ultramarines are a funny case.

 

We should remember that thet did actually have their own, full codex.
In 5th edition, other codex chapter heroes were introduced to the range but there were no chapter rules - I'm talking Lysander, Shrike, etc. Back then those heroes could lead Ultramarine armies. The codex even gave a lame excuse like "Heroes from one chapter may find themselves leading forces from another during times of war" which is technically correct of course, but not something that should be common place. 

 

Around 5th is when the more "bespoke" chapters like the BA, DA, SW, GK started getting more and more unique models and ultimately became special cases. And strictly speaking, as much as it irks me to say it, you could argue that the other codex chapters ultimately hijacked the Ultramarine codex and made it into the "general chapter" codex.

But ignoring all of that, now that they have more heroes and units, they probably deserve a supplement as much as any of the other, more divergent chapters do. I would really prefer it if Games Workshop followed the example of the Horus Heresy and just made 2 books. One would have all the generic options, units and vehicles, and the 2nd smaller book would be the supplement with all the chapter specific options. I want this to happen for 2 big reasons:

 

1: More people will have access to all of the Astartes rules

2: All chapters will be updated simultaneously. This would help with balance as the rules will no longer trickle out over an entire edition, with some waiting years for an update.

 

To add, re: Huron rumour.

I would love to see rules for a "Renegade" marine chapter. Not Chaos, but also not Imperium. I don't know if they could do it, and what units would be availble to it, but it would be cool.

 

 

Edited September 26 by Orange Knight

[Indy Techwisp]

10 minutes ago, Orange Knight said:

To add, re: Huron rumour.

I would love to see rules for a "Renegade" marine chapter. Not Chaos, but also not Imperium. I don't know if they could do it, and what units would be availble to it, but it would be cool.

 

Honestly? It would need to have a "host" faction of either CSM or LSM and then probably have a rule to pinch Xpts of your army from the other one.

The issue there is that either way you end up with a Chaos bent to it and there's not really any "renegade" Marines existing who you could steal from.

 

I guess the other way would be that it's straight LSM but you can't take any Epic Heroes and instead get to steal Xpts from some other army?

But then the issue is who do you steal from. If it's another Imperium faction then it's not really "renegade", Chaos just means it's another Chaos warband and not renegade but it also can't be Xenos because that's almost certainly not gonna work.

Edited September 26 by Indy Techwisp

[Casual Heresy]

7 minutes ago, Orange Knight said:

But ignoring all of that, now that they have more heroes and units, they probably deserve a supplement as much as any of the other, more divergent chapters do. I would really prefer it if Games Workshop followed the example of the Horus Heresy and just made 2 books. One would have all the generic options, units and vehicles, and the 2nd smaller book would be the supplement with all the chapter specific options. I want this to happen for 2 big reasons:

 

1: More people will have access to all of the Astartes rules

2: All chapters will be updated simultaneously. This would help with balance as the rules will no longer trickle out over an entire edition, with some waiting years for an update.

 

 

 

 

Couldn't agree with this more. 6th/7th edition's Codex Supplement: Angels of Death was a great way to add more lore and bespoke rules for chapters outside of the codex. 

[Lord Nord in Gravis Armour]

29 minutes ago, TheMawr said:

 

I think thats a big stretch, they have been the only to get upgrade sprues before.. and the upgrade sprues dont always come at the same time or are dispersed evenly. ( Imperial fists primaris upgrade sprue definitely did come a year before the others in a christmas boxset, and I think ultramarines one followed that one more quickly than the others, Farsight, Nightlords, Iron warriors have also had upgrade sprues without codices in the past.. and Night lords again more recently.)

 

The Ultramarines upgrade kit came out way ahead of that. It was released as part of the intial wave of Primaris releases in 2017.  It's why it's always been available as a one-frame / one-sheet kit rather than the two-frame / two-sheet pack that the other compliant chapters got when their upgrade kits were finally released.

[jaxom]

1 hour ago, TheMawr said:

Personally I dont think there will be an Ultramarine supplement, they are first and foremost the posterboys of the Spacemarine codex, wich, for the record already had the datasheets for Calgar and Sicarius and Victrix guard (in another form.) .. there is nothing being added that wasnt already there, in contrary to Ravenguard and Whitescars for example.

 

1 hour ago, Casual Heresy said:

6th/7th edition's Codex Supplement: Angels of Death was a great way to add more lore and bespoke rules for chapters outside of the codex.

 

I could see 11th Ed codex being no special characters and a supplement covering  all the big 5, with the current supplement s for the other 4 being compatible.

 

1 hour ago, Orange Knight said:

We should remember that thet did actually have their own, full codex.
In 5th edition, other codex chapter heroes were introduced to the range but there were no chapter rules - I'm talking Lysander, Shrike, etc. Back then those heroes could lead Ultramarine armies. 

[SalamandersBro]

I think all founding legions should have thier own codex and least 2 to 3 unique units. 

[gaurdian31]

19 minutes ago, SalamandersBro said:

I think all founding legions should have thier own codex and least 2 to 3 unique units. 

So chaos marines then too? They are also found legions. 

[Jukkiz]

TBH Valrak seems to be always right and to such a degree with all the rumours, that i think he is in the league with GW at this point. 

 

[HeadlessCross]

9 hours ago, Indy Techwisp said:

 

Honestly? It would need to have a "host" faction of either CSM or LSM and then probably have a rule to pinch Xpts of your army from the other one.

The issue there is that either way you end up with a Chaos bent to it and there's not really any "renegade" Marines existing who you could steal from.

I've laid out how I would consolidate Loyalist Chapters into a singular cohesive codex, and I think bringing in Renegade/Chaos Chapters is fairly easy. The Chapter would use the Loyalist Codex at base, switcharoo some keywords (not that allies are really a thing now, but still), and replace a few different infantry options with things like Spawn and Possessed. 

 

The reason I don't think the CSM codex works as well is, even IF some tech is harder to maintain, they'll still have some know-how for things like Storm Shields or Whirlwinds or even Centurions, whereas the Traitor Legions won't. 

[LSM]

12 hours ago, Orange Knight said:

To add, re: Huron rumour.

I would love to see rules for a "Renegade" marine chapter. Not Chaos, but also not Imperium. I don't know if they could do it, and what units would be availble to it, but it would be cool.

 

In Codex: Chaos (1996), any army led by Huron Blackheart could buy wargear and support vehicles from Codex: Ultramarines (1995). As well, Red Corsair Terminators were equipped as in the latter book, instead of as those in the former.

 

(Charmingly, it feels that it needs to: "Note that Huron's Space Marines are not literally Ultramarines, rather they are renegade Space Marines from various Chapters across the galaxy.")

[Nephaston]

Inb4 GW starts selling the pre-2017 marine kits re-boxed as renegades just to sell even more marines. You know it would sell like hotcakes. Or maybe re-box some 30k beakies with a transfer sheet consisting of just red X's to put over your other transfers, old school style.