40k New Assault Terminators + Terminator Ancient + Crux Terminus Army Set

[HeadlessCross]

2 hours ago, Mogger351 said:

You honestly place space marine terminators in the bottom 1% of the game?

1% was an exaggeration. My actual feelings are not off, where I think they're on the bottom 5-10% of the game. That's just as much a bewildering amount to bring down. 

 

Terminators have had VERY few and far between moments where they worked (the Assault variety at least) and that's it. It hasn't stopped me from using a Terminator Chaplain with the new Raven Guard detachment with them (the T1 Deep Strike enhancement is cute here), but I'm also not going to sit and pretend those points aren't better utilized somewhere else, and I also won't pretend I want them as an entry in ANY other codex I play. 

[Lord Nord in Gravis Armour]

2 hours ago, Brother Tyler said:

 

If I remember correctly, one of the Primaris upgrade kits (there were two) had a couple of Terminator shoulder pads.

 

There was only one, unless someone failed to CC me on the memo for a second. UMs haven't gotten any Terminator pads.

[Agramar_The_Luna_Wolf]

Nice miniatures. I don't really like the bare heads but the rest is perfect. And that box it's really tempting.

[NorthernUltramarines]

I love playing terminators in my lists but they don’t really have a “niche” they can fill in the codex. I would rather they up the points cost of Terminators to around 210-240 a unit and made them better.
 

I feel too many units compete at the 150-180 range and it’s hard for many units to stand out, especially since we have Gravis now. The “stand in the mid board and shoot small things, hit big things” is done better by them. Terminators should, in my eyes anyway, be a deep striking kill team designed to headhunt one particular unit. I like the load outs they have, and I like how they play. They just need a bit extra “oomf” to really feel like a unit that you should be scared of.

 

I don’t think their stats need changing massively. I’d give them one more attack on the stormbolters/fists/hammers and give them some an additional rule to do with deep strike. Either a re-roll charge or a “pick a unit and this unit can re-roll hits and add +1 to the wound role” (mini oath of moment, but just for the termies).

I don’t think they need loads changing honestly, but a little tweak to help them stand out would be nice.

Edited yesterday at 05:06 PM by NorthernUltramarines
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[Brother Tyler]

1 hour ago, Lord Nord in Gravis Armour said:

 

There was only one, unless someone failed to CC me on the memo for a second. UMs haven't gotten any Terminator pads.

 

Ah, you are correct. I read a description and thought that there were two different kits. It turns out that many of those shoulder pads that I thought were for Terminators were actually for Gravis (making them even less useful).  

[Marshal Reinhard]

Only Blood Angels and Dark Angels have gotten any terminator bits from their renewed upgrade kits, owing to them coming post the terminator embiggening.

[Casual Heresy]

Once again His Rumourfulness Lord @Chapter Master Valrak helps me maximise my limited spending. Very glad the rumours have come true exactly as described and I put some money aside for it.

 

New assault terminators are exactly what I hoped for: modern terminators with smashy/slashy weapons. And I'm very glad we're back to the superior back of the wrist lightning claws over stabby knuckle dusters. Thunder Hammers are my usual go to but the new claws make it a difficult choice of what to build first.

 

I will definetly be getting one box for my Blood Angels. I have eight sprues worth of terminator shoulder pads from last years BA launch box in reserve and I've been saying for years I want to remake my 7th Ed Archangels Terminator force in modern scale.

 

A second box may be on the cards if ebay sales go well and if the disappearance of the old UM upgrade sprues does mean a new one in the style of BA and DA is on the way.

[jimbo1701]

Read into this what ye will but I asked my FLGS about putting me down for a set - he contacted his GW rep who told him that they will be preorder mid November as one of the Xmas sets, around the £150 mark. 

[Orange Knight]

I predict the Ultramarines will get a sprue with bits for heroes, terminators and general infantry.
It would be nice if all chapter upgrade sprues came with weapons that are unique to said chapter.

I like that Dark Angels have the Terminator Plasma cannon, a unique option. I also like that Black Templars have the vehicle Melta (even though it must be a nightmare to get multiple Meltas at a sensible cost if you have a bunch of vehicles). I want more stuff like this for everyone!

 

14 hours ago, Indy Techwisp said:

I see we've hit the "Absurdly buff Terminators pls" part of the thread.

 

Unfortunaltely they ARE one of the worst options in the entire codex. They need some sort of boost, and not just more point drops.

[Marshal Reinhard]

3 hours ago, Casual Heresy said:

New assault terminators are exactly what I hoped for: modern terminators with smashy/slashy weapons.

* adjusting glasses* akkkushyally since they're lightning claws I believe it should be smashy/scratchy weapons.

[Xirix]

It's not much of a scratch when it slices right through you.

[DemonGSides]

It'll scratch that itch. 

 

Permanently. 

[Lord Nord in Gravis Armour]

Do Lightning Claws still grant a +1 if you yell "SNIKT" right before the roll? Or was that just a house rule that the tournament scene killed along with everything else that's good and respectable about the game?

[Indy Techwisp]

5 hours ago, Orange Knight said:

Unfortunaltely they ARE one of the worst options in the entire codex. They need some sort of boost, and not just more point drops.

I do agree, tho my Terminator experiance is currently mostly via SoTs (or using them to proxy LSM Termies).

I feel making their Stormbolters have the same profile as the Dmg 2 Artificer-crafted Stormbolters the SoB have a ton of would go a long way to making their shooting a bit more threatening imo (I've lost a lot of Rubrics that I thought were in safe positions due to those gun).

[HeadlessCross]

1 hour ago, Indy Techwisp said:

I do agree, tho my Terminator experiance is currently mostly via SoTs (or using them to proxy LSM Termies).

I feel making their Stormbolters have the same profile as the Dmg 2 Artificer-crafted Stormbolters the SoB have a ton of would go a long way to making their shooting a bit more threatening imo (I've lost a lot of Rubrics that I thought were in safe positions due to those gun).

Bolters of any kind shouldn't be D2, and that was one of the worst ideas to bring Heavy Intercessors up. 

 

Also how exactly are your Rubrics dying to Artificer Storm Bolters?

[Indy Techwisp]

7 minutes ago, HeadlessCross said:

Bolters of any kind shouldn't be D2, and that was one of the worst ideas to bring Heavy Intercessors up. 

 

Also how exactly are your Rubrics dying to Artificer Storm Bolters?

 

Because Damage 2 means they bypass the Rubricae Phalanx rule when SoB bolters otherwise do not.

I have had similar issues with normal LSM as well.

 

More specifically, it's usually Dominion Squads with 4 of the things sprinting halfway across the board before shooting.

Edited yesterday at 04:43 PM by Indy Techwisp

[Lord Nord in Gravis Armour]

16 hours ago, Brother Tyler said:

 

Ah, you are correct. I read a description and thought that there were two different kits. It turns out that many of those shoulder pads that I thought were for Terminators were actually for Gravis (making them even less useful).  

 

Yup, and they were already un-useful enough past 8th-Ed, being that the high ridge made them out of place on the Heavy Intercessors and Eradicators (at least for Inceptors, it somewhat made sense that they'd avoid raised chapter icons along with any other protrusions that might get pummeled during atmospheric descent.)

 

I'd go on about how woefully outdated those original Primaris chapter upgrade kits are and have been for some time, but that's best left for another thread and I'd probably be preaching to the choir anyway.

[Ming the Merciless]

4 hours ago, HeadlessCross said:

Bolters of any kind shouldn't be D2, and that was one of the worst ideas to bring Heavy Intercessors up.

 

Heavy Bolter?

 

D1 on Heavy Intercessor's bolt rifles was weak, they offer nothing in melee and should be more than slightly harder to kill Intercesors.

[HeadlessCross]

39 minutes ago, Ming the Merciless said:

 

Heavy Bolter?

 

D1 on Heavy Intercessor's bolt rifles was weak, they offer nothing in melee and should be more than slightly harder to kill Intercesors.

They offer nothing in melee because they're stuck with the kit not giving the Sergeant melee options. That's a really easy fix. 

 

Not to mention that, as a Kill Team in Deathwatch, a 10 man squad can get 3 Aggressors to boost that melee. 

[HeadlessCross]

4 hours ago, Indy Techwisp said:

 

Because Damage 2 means they bypass the Rubricae Phalanx rule when SoB bolters otherwise do not.

I have had similar issues with normal LSM as well.

 

More specifically, it's usually Dominion Squads with 4 of the things sprinting halfway across the board before shooting.

That MAYBE kills a minimum squad of Rubrics IN Rapid Fire range. 

[Karhedron]

10 hours ago, HeadlessCross said:

Not to mention that, as a Kill Team in Deathwatch, a 10 man squad can get 3 Aggressors to boost that melee. 

 

Yes but that does not help all the other Chapters. Heavy bolt rifles are lower RoF Heavy bolters and I am OK with that. Giving the squad a consistent profile makes rolling for shooting easier. Even with 2D guns, they are not exactly a powerhouse unit. I take a squad in both my Space Wolves and BA lists because I like them and have modelled mine up with extra bling but they are not usually MVP.

[NorthernUltramarines]

2 hours ago, Karhedron said:

 

Yes but that does not help all the other Chapters. Heavy bolt rifles are lower RoF Heavy bolters and I am OK with that. Giving the squad a consistent profile makes rolling for shooting easier. Even with 2D guns, they are not exactly a powerhouse unit. I take a squad in both my Space Wolves and BA lists because I like them and have modelled mine up with extra bling but they are not usually MVP.

 

Completely agree! I take a squad in my 2k lists (because they look stunning) and they're usually okay. Far less shots than intercessors, but better into specific targets. Hardly worth taking them in big units or more than 2x5. Lack of melee makes them hard to push into the mid-board as they get swamped far too easily.