Imperial Fists (New to Heresy)

[SWORD BROTHER RYAN]

I've been a long time 40K player, but overall been kind of dissatisfied with the way it's been going since 8th Ed came out and oversimplified it. As I look to HH, I see a lot of commonalities (at least on the surface) to the gameplay I was accustomed to in earlier editions. I know it's not the same, but either way, here it goes.

 

Started working on IF mostly due to the fact I play BT in 40K. So far, I have Dorn, Sigismund, about 20 or so Tactical Marines, 10 Cataphractii Terminators, a Veteran Squad (Sternguard Vets I plan to kitbash into something at least), Leviathan Siege Dread (Ranged Variant), Sicaran Battle tank and 2 Sicaran Tank hunters with only Sigismund and the Dread being assembled (Dorn is in sub-assemblies for future painting).

 

So, as I am completely new to this version of the game, I'm looking for advice on where to go from where I sit right now. My plan is to attempt to create this army in a sort of SoT setting. Any advice on either the gameplay or units that would be beneficial to acquire in the future would be most welcome.

[BadgersinHills]

Hey, welcome! I'm not an expert on the rules or tactics, but I suggest you familiarise yourself with list building in 3rd edition so you get an idea of where to go next since list building is quite different from previous editions. 

[W.A.Rorie]

3 hours ago, SWORD BROTHER RYAN said:

I've been a long time 40K player, but overall been kind of dissatisfied with the way it's been going since 8th Ed came out and oversimplified it. As I look to HH, I see a lot of commonalities (at least on the surface) to the gameplay I was accustomed to in earlier editions. I know it's not the same, but either way, here it goes.

 

Started working on IF mostly due to the fact I play BT in 40K. So far, I have:

1. Dorn,
2. Sigismund
3. , about 20 or so Tactical Marines
4. , 10 Cataphractii Terminators,
5. a Veteran Squad (Sternguard Vets I plan to kitbash into something at least),
6. Leviathan Siege Dread (Ranged Variant),
7. Sicaran Battle tank
8. 2 Sicaran Tank hunters

with only Sigismund and the Dread being assembled (Dorn is in sub-assemblies for future painting).

 

So, as I am completely new to this version of the game, I'm looking for advice on where to go from where I sit right now. My plan is to attempt to create this army in a sort of SoT setting. Any advice on either the gameplay or units that would be beneficial to acquire in the future would be most welcome.

 

So I am breaking it down to make it easier,  New Recruit (HH 3rd Ed) is your friend

 

No upgrades or wargear

 

 

 VII - Imperial Fists - Imperial Fist - [1995 Point(s), 3 Auxiliary Detachment(s), 1 Apex Detachment(s)]

 ++ Crusade Force Organization Chart ++ [1995 Point(s), 3 Auxiliary Detachment(s), 1 Apex Detachment(s)]

Allegiance: Loyalist

Rite of War: Legiones Astartes Imperial Fists (Legion Tactica, Gambit, Advanced Reaction)

++ Crusade Primary Detachment ++ [450 Point(s)]

 High Command [250 Point(s)]

Sigismund [250 Point(s)]: One Auxiliary Detachment, The Black Sword, Bolt pistol, Frag grenades, Krak grenades

 Troops [200 Point(s)]

Tactical Squad [100 Point(s)]: Frag grenades, Krak grenades
• 1x Sergeant: Bolter, Bolt pistol
• 9x Legionary [10 Point(s)]: Bolt pistol, Bolter

Tactical Squad [100 Point(s)]: Frag grenades, Krak grenades
• 1x Sergeant: Bolter, Bolt pistol
• 9x Legionary [10 Point(s)]: Bolt pistol, Bolter

 

++ Warlord Detachment ++ [415 Point(s)]
Warlord [415 Point(s)]

Rogal Dorn [415 Point(s)]: Storm's Teeth, The Voice of Terra, Frag grenades, Krak grenades

 

++ Auxiliary - Armoured Support ++ [500 Point(s), 1 Auxiliary Detachment(s)]
 Armour [500 Point(s)]

Sicaran [160 Point(s)]: Hull (Front) Mounted heavy bolter, Twin accelerator autocannon, Two Sponson Mounted heavy bolters
Sicaran Venator [170 Point(s)]: Neutron beam laser, Turret Mounted Heavy bolter, Two Sponson Mounted heavy bolters
Sicaran Venator [170 Point(s)]: Neutron beam laser, Turret Mounted Heavy bolter, Two Sponson Mounted heavy bolters

 

++ Auxiliary - Heavy Support ++ [225 Point(s), 1 Auxiliary Detachment(s)]
War-engine [225 Point(s)]
Leviathan Dreadnought [225 Point(s)]: 2 Heavy flamers, Leviathan siege claw and one meltagun (Leviathan siege claw, Meltagun), Leviathan siege drill and one meltagun (Leviathan siege drill, Meltagun)

 

++ Auxiliary - Shock Assault ++ [300 Point(s), 1 Auxiliary Detachment(s)]
Heavy Assault [300 Point(s)]

 

Cataphractii Terminator Squad [150 Point(s)]:
• 1x Cataphractii Terminator Sergeant: Volkite charger, Power sword
• 4x Cataphractii Terminator [30 Point(s)]: Volkite charger, Power sword

 

Cataphractii Terminator Squad [150 Point(s)]:
• 1x Cataphractii Terminator Sergeant: Volkite charger, Power sword
• 4x Cataphractii Terminator [30 Point(s)]: Volkite charger, Power sword

 

++ Apex - Army Vanguard ++ [105 Point(s), 1 Apex Detachment(s)]

 

Elites [105 Point(s)]
Seeker Squad [105 Point(s)]: Frag grenades, Krak grenades
• 1x Seeker Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Kraken bolter
• 4x Seeker [18 Point(s)]: Kraken bolter

 

Model Wise you have about 2000 points but the way itis built you are short a lot of HQs and the list is illegal. A Centurion and a few other Command models to allow you to unlock other Detachments to make it legal.  But here is a basic breakdown for your units.

 

1. Dorn is Dorn
2. Sigs can be run as a "Praetor" or as Sigs 
3. 20 tactical marines leave as 2 10 man units 
4. Cataphractii 2 5 man units. IF can take storm shields
5. Vets/ Sternguard take them as Seekers
6. Levi as he is 
7. Sicarans leave
8. Sicarans Venerators leave as is

 

I would build a generic Praetor, Centurion, Champion, and Master of Signals for my HQs

I would add Phalanx Warders, Assault Squads, breachers (when they get released) and gun platforms (Araknae Quad Accelerator Platform and Rapier quad heavy bolters)

 

[SWORD BROTHER RYAN]

I do have New Recruit, and have been trying to use it to legally kit out my Sicarans, but I have to admit a serious lack of knowledge in how either 2nd or 3rd ED work at all. Youtube vids just leave me even more confused. I know I have to build out my force more. Just looking for advice.

[Razorblade]

18 hours ago, SWORD BROTHER RYAN said:

I do have New Recruit, and have been trying to use it to legally kit out my Sicarans, but I have to admit a serious lack of knowledge in how either 2nd or 3rd ED work at all. Youtube vids just leave me even more confused. I know I have to build out my force more. Just looking for advice.

In terms of building on your existing force: You probably want some Rhinos to get those tacticals from a to b. You probably also need transport options for your terminators so land raiders or a spartan. Most of all you need generic HQs. A Champion is great value and unlocks a Detachment that would allow you to bring the Sternguard Vets (as either Veteran Tacticals or Seekers), A unit of Terminators (Cataphractii Command Squad) and a transport for said terminators. 

I'd try to play a few games without special characters at first. 

I took the liberty of throwing together a quick list. All you'd need in order to field this would be a spartan, two rhinos and an extra guy with a fancy sword and it is build in a way that you can simply add Dorn and swap the Preator for Siggi at larger games.

 

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