Mr Farson Posted 3 hours ago Share Posted 3 hours ago G'day I've been flicking back through my vasta array of supplements for 6th / 7th the last few weeks as I've been robbing it blind for conversion into 30k 2.0 I played quite a lot during 7th and it's quite possibly my favourite era of 40k apart from 4th. I've been wracking my brain for problem areas of 7th where people spit bloody murder about the edition but I'm coming UK short -Free Razorbacks in the various marine decurion formations -Taudar -Invisibility -War convocation Are there any other big uns that I'm missing? N1SB 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386892-7th-ed-40k-and-its-failings/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Eye Posted 2 hours ago Share Posted 2 hours ago My main gripes with 7th come down to a few things: >Formations allowing for way, WAY too much in the way of free stuff with zero downside. Not even "You can't take this thing you probably weren't going to take anyway" ala 4E chapter tactics- just straight up "Use this formation and you get free transports for everyone". >Post-Chapterhouse meaning some factions (my poor Tyranids) got absolutely butchered in terms of options. >Allies were still an unholy mess. >Extremely bloated USR section. >Superheavies and flyers being a common occurrence in regular games was absolutely a mistake. >Way too many supplements needed (especially Chaos, who got like 5 books trying to make them actually fun, then struck gold with Traitor Legions...a few months before 8th). That said, the core of the rules was solid enough (being the 3E "engine" at its heart) and with some very basic house rules to cut out or rework the dumb stuff I think you could realistically have a more enjoyable game than 10th. Sure it falls apart when you take it to the competitive level, but that's true of literally every edition ever. Especially now TTS is a thing and people have figured out the optimum strategy and list builds within a day of an edition going live. I'd still rather play 4th core rules with a mix of 3rd, 3.5 and 4th edition Codices and supplements but 7th is workable as a base game IMO. N1SB 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386892-7th-ed-40k-and-its-failings/#findComment-6136312 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Posted 2 hours ago Share Posted 2 hours ago The Olden Demon YouTube channel recently released a video on the subject. You should have a look. Evil Eye and N1SB 1 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386892-7th-ed-40k-and-its-failings/#findComment-6136315 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NTaW Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago I had a lot of fun playing 7th edition, and while I don't have an overall insight into the mechanics anymore I do remember some acute pains I faced. Formations handing out must-have rules but being super specific on the units you need. For my Necrons I remember it was a token Tomb Blade for better Reanimation rolls across the army, or a Spyder to be able to take Wraiths. Formations also came to each faction slowly, with some simply unable to compete until the end of the edition. Psychic powers being off the chain and hard to counter. I specifically recall Kaldor Draigo and the 2++ with rerolls. It took an extravagant number of attacks to bring that bastard down. Skyfire being an afterthought added into armies to deal with Flyers. I liked how Flyers worked, but -having- to take a flakk missile squad in addition to my Stormraven was weak. On that note, the Heldrake specifically ignored firing arcs and cooked Marines like Trogdor burninates the countryside. I habitually faced two at a time in lists and it was honestly easier going up against two Daemon Primarchs in one game in 8th. There's a lot of good stuff I like from the edition, and I'd play it again if there were people around me interested. I'd probably have an easier time finding people to play 8th though since I find a lot of people I've met over the last few years entered or returned to the hobby around that point. N1SB 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386892-7th-ed-40k-and-its-failings/#findComment-6136319 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Eye Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago 3 minutes ago, NTaW said: and cooked Marines like Trogdor burninates the countryside. The Baleflamer counting as strength D against thatched-roof cottages was a killer. (But yes, the Heldrake was horrible. Not nice to look at or play against.) N1SB 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386892-7th-ed-40k-and-its-failings/#findComment-6136322 Share on other sites More sharing options...
N1SB Posted 5 minutes ago Share Posted 5 minutes ago 2 hours ago, Mr Farson said: I've been flicking back through my vasta array of supplements for 6th / 7th the last few weeks as I've been robbing it blind for conversion into 30k 2.0 Brother Farson, for your purposes, it wasn't a problem with the rules. It was GW creating an arms race that forced ppl to chase the meta. I agree with what you guys said, and iirc it went kinda as follows. Heldrakes w/ Baleflamers forced ppl to buy Stalker tanks (for Marines), but nobody really liked either model Hobby-wise. If your opponent had a (Wraith)Knight, you needed Knights to counter him. If he had a Formation, you needed a newer & better Formation. Memorable moment - someone in our FLGS took on this challenge of making a viable Dark Eldar army. Friend messaged me to come down and see. I arrived, I found how he made the Dark Eldar viable: ally with Craftworld Eldar and spam Wraithknights with D Cannons. The Dark Eldar was only a quarter of his points. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/386892-7th-ed-40k-and-its-failings/#findComment-6136327 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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