Rumour Engine- 21st October

[Jukkiz]

There was skull one also in Greatest SM kit ever

[TheMawr]

1 hour ago, TheVoidDragon said:

 

The ones I can see on Primaris Marines don't come across "exact" to me. Similar, obviously, but the one in this rumour engine has much of metal visible going between the side and middle. 

 

 

someone on another forum posted a whole bunch of them; 

 

 

 

Bladeguard especially is very similar, except for the obvious difference of the bladeshape at the bottom. They come in all shapes and sizes on almost every spacemarine thats not baseline, but more importantly than the similarity ( or lack of it to some people ) to all of that is another element.

 

While some fantasy models ( though especially pre-AoS.) also have similar symbology they seem to be much more aesthic there. There is little reason to design a miniature wich has one of those in its hands, not among the faction sporting the symbols nor among their enemies ( chaos in fantasy isnt the other side of the same coin they are in 40k ).. in 40k however there is symbological relevance to that, like for example a heretic who just ripped it off a defeated loyalist in acts of deviance.

From a designer pov there is a lot more reasons to design this as we see in 40k (and 30k) than there is to do this in AoS/TOW.

 

Though all of that said, my first thought when seeing this was its a santa character in the process of decorating a christmas tree with warhammer symbols.

 

Also, there is an element in the RE that does feel more fantasy, the metallic painted dangly bit between the "fur" and the hand. It might be jewelry or more mechanical bits that look like jewelry from the perspective.. but in combination with the fur it almost looks like decoration in a beard ( like dwarves have.) however.. its not in the fur, its behind it.. the whole perspective could be more as if we are looking over the shoulder here, not a frontview shot.

[DemonGSides]

A brief and incomplete history of "Cross with Skull on it circa Primaris era" of 40k.

 

New Calgar (Little long on the bottom, mostly the same thing though)

 

New Victrix bannerman (Pretty much exact)

 

Company Heroes champion (Pretty much the same)

 

Terminator Sgt from Leviathan (Almost the same, but with oath paper attachment)

 

Primaris Captain 

 

Castus (The slightly different one similar to Calgar's new one)

 

Bladeguard Vet version

 

A different Primaris Captain

 

 

As far as firstborn, there was more examples of the Bejeweled Belt Buckle style;  I've only grabbed one example but there's a couple of older models featuring this.

 

Skulls are obviously everywhere in GW products, but this one seems pretty spot on with the Primaris 

 

Edited Wednesday at 03:23 AM by DemonGSides

[TheMawr]

 

1 hour ago, DemonGSides said:

A brief and incomplete history of "Cross with Skull on it circa Primaris era" of 40k.

 

New Calgar (Little long on the bottom, almost exactly the same otherwise)

 

New Victrix bannerman (Pretty much exact)

 

Company Heroes champion (Pretty much the same)

 

Terminator Sgt from Leviathan (Almost the same, but with oath paper attachment)

 

Primaris Captain 

 

Castus (The slightly different one similar to Calgar's new one)

 

Bladeguard Vet version

 

A different Primaris Captain

 

 

As far as firstborn, there was more examples of the Bejeweled Belt Buckle style;  I've only grabbed one example but there's a couple of older models featuring this.

 

Skulls are obviously everywhere in GW products, but this one seems pretty spot on with the Primaris 

 

 

Having the skull in the square cross is as old as spacemarines are though, its not necessarily a primaris thing, not even those hanging from ropes or chains ;

 

 

While indeed the jewel instead of the skull was more common ( as are the same shape with skull on kneepads, belt buckles etc. ) I think that has less to do with primaris or not, and more with limitations..

Wich they circumvented in the early days by just making the thing absurdly large :

 

Another reason why it seems ( and maybe is ) more predominant on primaris is two much simpler facts, there is better and more pictures available of them at one side, and I didnt do the math.. but I think there have been more primaris veteran releases ( including LE ) than there had been veteran spacemarine releases in the years before primaris.

 

[gideon stargreave]

So it’s clearly a Rosarius. 
 

my deepest wish- goge vandire 

[Craig]

Definitely a 30k famous bile before all his hair fell out.

[DemonGSides]

8 hours ago, TheMawr said:

 

 

Having the skull in the square cross is as old as spacemarines are though, its not necessarily a primaris thing, not even those hanging from ropes or chains ;

 

 

While indeed the jewel instead of the skull was more common ( as are the same shape with skull on kneepads, belt buckles etc. ) I think that has less to do with primaris or not, and more with limitations..

Wich they circumvented in the early days by just making the thing absurdly large :

 

Another reason why it seems ( and maybe is ) more predominant on primaris is two much simpler facts, there is better and more pictures available of them at one side, and I didnt do the math.. but I think there have been more primaris veteran releases ( including LE ) than there had been veteran spacemarine releases in the years before primaris.

 

My post wasn't an exploration of any real Firstborn models because I stopped looking at mini's that came out around 7th, so I'm sure there's a rich history of it even older, I just wanted to reiterate to some of the other posters that it is FIRMLY a 40k icon and most likely not something from WHF, which definitely uses a lot of skulls and often crosses, but that that particular rosary/icon or whatever it's called is absolutely part of modern 40k design paradigm.

Edited Wednesday at 12:18 PM by DemonGSides

[apologist]

It's the Crux Terminatus, isn't it? The symbol of veterancy in a Space Marine Chapter.

That's certainly what I always thought these were. I think it's noted somewhere that the exact form varies.

 

Either way, I absolutely agree that it's one of these amulets clutched in a hand – and the furry bit suggests it's been taken as a trophy by a Renegade Chaos Marine.

[Joe]

To be fair, it's also... the Imperial Cross, from WHFB / TOW. The icon is re-used across both settings.

 

Given the beard and braid and such, it could just as easily be a new Marauder character for TOW. Which would track given they've just shown off updated infantry / cavalry.

[DemonGSides]

3 hours ago, Joe said:

To be fair, it's also... the Imperial Cross, from WHFB / TOW. The icon is re-used across both settings.

 

Given the beard and braid and such, it could just as easily be a new Marauder character for TOW. Which would track given they've just shown off updated infantry / cavalry.

 

The article linked in the OP isn't to the Rumor Engine, the Rumor engine SPECIFICALLY calls out that it's a from 40k;

 

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It’s got a skull on it, but in the grim darkness of the far future the toothpaste probably has skulls on it too, so that’s not a lot to go on.

 

I know I know, WHC so that's hardly definitive considering they screw up all the time, but still.  Everything is screaming 40k, whether or not skulls and crosses show up in WHF (Not arguing that they don't), but I don't know enough about WHF outside of TWWH3 and it's not as obvious there, so if you have some solid examples of modern mini's rocking something similar to the RE image, post em so we can see.

Edited Wednesday at 05:34 PM by DemonGSides

[Marshal Reinhard]

The hand is very clearly a power armored one. The rim around the wrist is also very typically power armor.

 

I just don't see why the WHF notion is being entertained. At all.

Edited Wednesday at 07:26 PM by Marshal Reinhard

[Dark Shepherd]

Leftfield but a non heretic Chaplain type character holding it? Furry bit SW or RG?

 

More likely heretic though

[gideon stargreave]

Again it’s a rosarius. 
Chaplains have them. So do some other important imperial people

 

as to who is holding it. Someone with a beard or a fur pelt. 

 

 

Edited 5 hours ago by gideon stargreave

[Borbarad]

On 10/21/2025 at 2:01 PM, ZeroWolf said:

 

 

 

 

Initially i thought this was a massive beard on the left  Seems to be more like a fur collar or something.