500 Worlds Battalion: Necrons

[SvenIronhand]

2 hours ago, The Praetorian of Inwit said:

Huron, Yriel, the Night bringer etc have always been in Ultramar ;)

People and things can travel, y'know.

[Dudley Nightshade]

3 hours ago, Kommisar_K said:

That "500 World's" on that box looks a bit off center to me. Take that how you will. 

Could be the way the image is cropped, but then the follow-on question is, why is it cropped?

Edited Wednesday at 09:17 PM by Dudley Nightshade
Technical issue: not sure why my post appeared three times

[TheMawr]

2 hours ago, darkhorse0607 said:

 

Shontu could be get one

 

But in my opinion, the obvious one to tie into the 500 Worlds (if the Iron Warriors Kill Team is real and/or they get a character) would be Honsou. He didn't die at the end of the Ventris (not counting the newest one) novels, he already has ties to the Ultramarines/attacking Ultramar as well as Perturabo (if that rumor is also true). 

 

*edit, he also has met Huron, forgot about that, so that ties it together as well

 

Thats why I found that mention standing out. Because honsou is the less obscure one, even I ( less versed in marine lore ) know is a "why didn't it happen already" character.

Yet

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/ysq9tys7/darnath-lysander-captain-of-the-first-company/

The paragraph before the last paragraph has the shontu mention.

 

But like I said, probably meaningless. Just an observation I had taken for a end of edition campaign speculation post I never got around to making.

 

( small note though, the rumor isn't an iron warrior kill team, but an upgrade sprue, I have seen this repeated before on other places that it's obviously a kill team because its an upgrade sprue, but the people saying that kind of missed kill team doesn't do upgrade sprues for well over a year now ;) but i think its all the same upgrade sprue rumor.)

[TheMawr]

4 hours ago, Kommisar_K said:

With the Shard of the Nightbringer confirmed it would kind of make sense for 'crons to feature in the end of edition campaign. Surely GW won't be limiting the big boy to Kill Team. 

 

I'm fairly certain the Nightbringer is a 40k/campaign release, not a kill team release. 

Its reveal was tagged under 40k as opposed to shadow hunt wich was tagged under kill team, they also say in that article it will release around the same time as shadowhunt. So not part of the box and not necessarily at the same time. In that article its also noted that he is also usable in kill team, implying a 40k also usable in kt release, not the other way around.

 

The reason people think its a kill team release is because it's said to be a culmination of a story/event that started in KT tomb world.

But that's part of my speculation, the kill team "narrative" represents a mass awakening of tomb worlds happening in the setting, not just kt. This might also tie in to the campaign narrative ( same way arks of omen and gallowdark season are losely tied )

 

Big headscratcher is the GNO fluff having a whole different direction, thats also huge.. the webway bleeding into realspace at places.

GNO stuff is written by gw AND canon.

Making it weird to have a big event like that, with significant characters involved and writing it only for the GNO... 

 

So before this 500 worlds thing, I was theorising it was going to be a webway dysjunction vs tomb worlds awakening storyline; eldar vs necron vs chaos narrative.. with the Imperial side less spacemarines and more Imperial agents/custodes/sisters of silence, hence why they got all the extra marine releases out this side of the campaign.

 Ofcourse i had many more words written for that theory, but the way rumorverse is going throws this completely out.

[Aramis K]

GNO?

[Mogger351]

11 minutes ago, Aramis K said:

GNO?

Greater narrative officer. They have a bolt pistol and unless the imperium wins...

[darkhorse0607]

1 hour ago, TheMawr said:

 

Thats why I found that mention standing out. Because honsou is the less obscure one, even I ( less versed in marine lore ) know is a "why didn't it happen already" character.

Yet

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/ysq9tys7/darnath-lysander-captain-of-the-first-company/

The paragraph before the last paragraph has the shontu mention.

 

But like I said, probably meaningless. Just an observation I had taken for a end of edition campaign speculation post I never got around to making.

 

( small note though, the rumor isn't an iron warrior kill team, but an upgrade sprue, I have seen this repeated before on other places that it's obviously a kill team because its an upgrade sprue, but the people saying that kind of missed kill team doesn't do upgrade sprues for well over a year now ;) but i think its all the same upgrade sprue rumor.)

 

Sorry, yes, you're correct its an upgrade sprue. I was using the Kill Team word interchangeably but you're right about there needing to be clarification  

 

Shontu could get something,  we have seen them giving relatively smaller characters models in an effort to branch out with something newer (the new Ultrmarines Master of Rites for example, rather than Telion/Cassius or someone more established)

 

At this point, while I would prefer Honsou because Storm of Iron has a special spot in my nostalgia and I think it makes more sense for him, as long as Iron Warriors get something, anything, I won't be mad at it  

 

I am really interested to see what direction they go with if the upgrade sprue turns out to be real though. Just a generic more techy upgrade, or more siege themed  

 

Either way I could see it being rolled into this 500 worlds campaign if it turns out to be true. It'd be an easy explanation, if its with Honou then its for revenge, if not then they've teamed up with Vashtorr

[Laurence]

11 hours ago, Mogger351 said:

Talk of a Yarrick release - that'd be Armageddon, which isn't in the 500 worlds iirc

 

Yarrick's meant to be dead, but what if he was instead taken by Trazyn, who releases him in the 500 worlds for whatever reason.  The Old Man hangs around to beat up the enemy of the month, then immediately heads back to Armageddon for the kick-off of 11th edition.

Edited Wednesday at 11:02 PM by Laurence

[Jukkiz]

Shon´tu is this IW, correct?

I just thought it´s generic chaos lord for longest time. 

[ZeroWolf]

52 minutes ago, Laurence said:

Yarrick's meant to be dead, but what if he was instead taken by Trazyn, who releases him in the 500 worlds for whatever reason.  The Old Man hangs around to beat up the enemy of the month, then immediately heads back to Armageddon for the kick-off of 11th edition.

Funnily enough, this has been my theory regarding yarrick for a while now, especially once it became clear we had both yarrick and Trazyn rumours (i know we had Trazyn rumours for longer)

[darkhorse0607]

1 hour ago, Jukkiz said:

Shon´tu is this IW, correct?

I just thought it´s generic chaos lord for longest time. 

Correct. He has gotten a bit of lore here or there, but he's very much just the counter character to Lysander so you're partially right with the generic lord side

[Xenith]

Very weird, but an end-of-edition extra special value set matches the boarding patrol ones they released at the end of 9th, they were amazing value. but pretty noche contents. 

[GryphonnePromethean]

I'm placing two bets:

1) 500 Worlds is our Spearhead equivalent. It's 500 points and the boxes are designed to let you customize it with a character and/or relics. 

2) The name, in grey, with that R makes me feel like the narrative is Lorgar returning with a strike on Ultramar while G is wrapped up in the Pariah Nexus. 

[Kyari]

2 hours ago, GryphonnePromethean said:

1) 500 Worlds is our Spearhead equivalent. It's 500 points and the boxes are designed to let you customize it with a character and/or relics. 

The contents of that Necrons box is nowhere near enough for that to be fair.

[Mogger351]

11 minutes ago, Kyari said:

The contents of that Necrons box is nowhere near enough for that to be fair.

I think it becomes necessary to dissociate points from these products, they've managed to keep spearhead looking like a good game with very varying box contents.

[NTaW]

13 minutes ago, Kyari said:

The contents of that Necrons box is nowhere near enough for that to be fair.

 

Agreed, that's 355 points of Necrons. The current Combat Patrol is 445, though I'm sure there's some variance to the matched-play points across the CP boxes.

[Kyari]

21 minutes ago, Mogger351 said:

I think it becomes necessary to dissociate points from these products, they've managed to keep spearhead looking like a good game with very varying box contents.

I don't disagree, I'm just saying "This is a 500 point format" when the box we have to look at is very apparently not that is a poor conclusion to jump to.

[Mogger351]

1 hour ago, Kyari said:

I don't disagree, I'm just saying "This is a 500 point format" when the box we have to look at is very apparently not that is a poor conclusion to jump to.

I was agreeing, but the game could use 350 pts of one force vs 500 of another if designed well enough, which is what spearhead accomplishes.

[Kommisar_K]

19 hours ago, TheMawr said:

The reason people think its a kill team release is because it's said to be a culmination of a story/event that started in KT tomb world.

Ah, missed that. Technically, it aligns perfectly with what I was saying, except that big 40K is its main spot, not KT. 

 

19 hours ago, TheMawr said:

Big headscratcher is the GNO fluff having a whole different direction, thats also huge.. the webway bleeding into realspace at places.

GNO stuff is written by gw AND canon.

Making it weird to have a big event like that, with significant characters involved and writing it only for the GNO... 

Yeah I found that strange too. Grand Narrative has never had a real impact on the wider setting before, to my knowledge. It's sort of unpredictable and thus not great for advancing the main storyline. Will be interesting to see whether it ends up shaking the whole setting up for 11th or just being a footnote in the archives. 

[GryphonnePromethean]

2 hours ago, Kyari said:

The contents of that Necrons box is nowhere near enough for that to be fair.

I'm imagining the format as "Box + Character model, rounded off with upgrade relics". Kinda like a 40k take on Commander.  So the sweet spot for the boxes is probably 300-400 points so you've got room to add in whatever hot new model they've released for the faction. 

It's not usually how GW puts boxes together, but it's a really common issue for boxes to have their value ruined by including the  characters that people already have.

[Ruskinses]

Necron narrative book with rules for battles taking place in 2x tomb world terrain like boarding actions in Arks of Omen? Lots of scope for characters to be released? Nightbringer? 

[Brother Paint]

Funny thing, I was watching Warhipsters painting video of the new victrix guard on YouTube and at the beginning of he mentions the 500 worlds, wether hes yanking our chains the man normally gets stuff well in advance for his tutorial videos, so he may know something 

[Magos Takatus]

I am begging GW not to make a 500 worlds campaign, I am getting close to terminal Ultrafatigue and I thought that the Blood Angels being the poster boys for a return to Armageddon might alleviate that, as overplayed as Armageddon is also. If Necrons can't have a box without Ultramarine references plastered on it, they were are truly doomed. At that point they will just drop "Space Marines" and "Astartes" entirely and replace it with Ultramarines. "These green models are Ultramarines from the Dark Angels chapter" 

Spoiler

 

Edited 3 hours ago by Magos Takatus

[Orange Knight]

I can't predict what will happen.

 

GW have been setting up a lot of drama in Ultramar in their various novels and blurb, so there absolutely could be a campaign there.

 

Alternatively it could just be a play on words for a new, smaller game system.

 

When it comes to releases - if Ultramarines sell they will get more models - it's as simple as that. I have absolutely no data on the popularity of the range, just anecdotal takes, but I would guess that they ARE popular.

[TheMawr]

I was thinking if there are more Ultramarine releases, it's possibly tyrannic war veterans like the old mark gibbons concepts ; Cassius, (anti)Hivemind psyker, tyranid hunters unit ( I kinda expect it to be an asymmetric unit ) .. that would be a notch more interesting than just another "clean" unit and as such a visual would be much more niche to space marine fans, they released more normal UM kits in advance to pre-empt the complaints ;)

 

As for the game system equivalent of boarding actions. If 500 worlds has any link to the gameplay I dont think its the 500.. I'd sooner think it's the "worlds". I've seen that in the time that I was out of the loop there had been a game mode involving little buildings etc on a hexbased map ( was it called planetstrike ? )

However how that relates to the battalion box I dont know, but reinventing combat patrol with just a different name seems unlikely. ( boarding patrol was not that )

 

One other thing I thought was maybe battalions will function as RoR.. though necron destroyers fit that least of all for necrons, triarch units maybe would if I got my lore right there. The reason I do entertain the thought though is that other rumored things are more likely to team up with several other factions in a narrative setting than the usual 40k average. Not a fan of it myself btw there maybe are some that make sense ( or rather one : kroot ) but 40k is not AoS. So I hope this wild theory is wrong .