500 Worlds Battalion: Necrons

[TheMawr]

18 hours ago, Kommisar_K said:

Ah, missed that. Technically, it aligns perfectly with what I was saying, except that big 40K is its main spot, not KT. 

 

Yeah I found that strange too. Grand Narrative has never had a real impact on the wider setting before, to my knowledge. It's sort of unpredictable and thus not great for advancing the main storyline. Will be interesting to see whether it ends up shaking the whole setting up for 11th or just being a footnote in the archives. 

 

So far, despite them saying it will, grand narrative results haven't even been a footnote afaik. But it also never had known players ( ahriman/trazyn) or core elements like mordian and shaadom involved. It's a weird one, curious about the continuation of it next week and wether it has any relationship to 500 worlds ( only thing I can imagine is that parts of the webway "bleeds" into Ultramar as well... though the only ww elements more significant than shaadom would be unnecessarily big ramifications, and there is enough of an interesting plot to be written without such things... but its not like GW didn't go unnecessarily over the top before ) 

[phandaal]

42 minutes ago, TheMawr said:

I was thinking if there are more Ultramarine releases, it's possibly tyrannic war veterans like the old mark gibbons concepts ; Cassius, (anti)Hivemind psyker, tyranid hunters unit ( I kinda expect it to be an asymmetric unit ) .. that would be a notch more interesting than just another "clean" unit and as such a visual would be much more niche to space marine fans, they released more normal UM kits in advance to pre-empt the complaints ;)

 

There already is a Tyrannic War Veteran kit for that concept art (not sure which came first actually):

 

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An upscaled version of this would be really cool!

[TheMawr]

33 minutes ago, phandaal said:

 

There already is a Tyrannic War Veteran kit for that concept art (not sure which came first actually):

 

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An upscaled version of this would be really cool!

 

The concept art is dated 2004 I think, the miniatures dates 2005.. its too short for concept-release development time as we know it, but I think those are metal and hand sculpted, Wich has a possible shorter turn around.. though MG concept art focuses more on specialists and characters that potentially expand on those.. these are very obviously not based on his concepts that are very ott. ( though I think GW often works with several concepts by different artists for the same thing, then make a selection wich go through, so that's also a possibility.. especially as GW was in a more "boring" ( subjective, but I dont know how else to describe it ) era then, and MG concepts are more fitting to both modern and pre-that era ( more 2nd ed ) design philosophies... though it sometimes jumps around.

[Dalmyth]

Just a random thought I've been having but in the idea of Ultramarines veterans, part of me wonders if we could see something similar, but new in the form of Plague War vets

[Mogger351]

2 minutes ago, Dalmyth said:

Just a random thought I've been having but in the idea of Ultramarines veterans, part of me wonders if we could see something similar, but new in the form of Plague War vets

Im not sure what form that would take though, they're not to collect trophies and embellish themselves in the same manner with chaos gubbins.

[Orange Knight]

1 hour ago, TheMawr said:

I was thinking if there are more Ultramarine releases, it's possibly tyrannic war veterans like the old mark gibbons concepts ; Cassius, (anti)Hivemind psyker, tyranid hunters unit ( I kinda expect it to be an asymmetric unit ) .. that would be a notch more interesting than just another "clean" unit and as such a visual would be much more niche to space marine fans, they released more normal UM kits in advance to pre-empt the complaints ;)

 

I imagine we're all thinking too small. GW may well rehash an old, niche unit, or they migh deliver something completely new but inspired from existing lore.

The "Dark Angel companions" are inspired by a Horus Heresy unit. It's possible the next unique kit might be a chapter-specific jump pack squad, or something like that. There is such a unit in the Horus Heresy called "The Locutarus Storm squad"

Or they might do nothing at all. It's also entirely possible that "More Ultramarines" simply refers to re-boxing of several heroes that have disappeared from the store. Ventris is gone, Titus is gone, and there is also that other guy with the Thunder Hammer that was previewed some time ago - Ferren Arios?

[Dalmyth]

11 minutes ago, Mogger351 said:

Im not sure what form that would take though, they're not to collect trophies and embellish themselves in the same manner with chaos gubbins.

Honestly fair and like I said it was a random thought. Although I do feel like that it should be given slightly more attention in Ultramarines releases or their model background if we do get any more, but that's my opinion.

[Ripper.McGuirl]

11 minutes ago, Mogger351 said:

Im not sure what form that would take though, they're not to collect trophies and embellish themselves in the same manner with chaos gubbins.

Maybe not stapling dead nurglings to their armor, but there would be some cool room to play around with sanctic wards, purity seals, extra heavy rebreathers, etc. 

I could even see a universe where they bring breachers into primaris-town for something like that.

[Evil Eye]

6 minutes ago, Ripper.McGuirl said:

Maybe not stapling dead nurglings to their armor, but there would be some cool room to play around with sanctic wards, purity seals, extra heavy rebreathers, etc. 

I could even see a universe where they bring breachers into primaris-town for something like that.

Something like that would be very cool actually. "Fumigator Squad" with extra tough hazmat style helmets, air purifier backpacks (as in, actually scrubbing the air around them of biological, chemical and spiritual hazards) and chem weapons to disinfectant the everloving gak out of the foe.

[Dalmyth]

15 minutes ago, Evil Eye said:

Something like that would be very cool actually. "Fumigator Squad" with extra tough hazmat style helmets, air purifier backpacks (as in, actually scrubbing the air around them of biological, chemical and spiritual hazards) and chem weapons to disinfectant the everloving gak out of the foe.

I feel like that's what the Infernus squads should've been. Having a unit filled with flamethrowers would've been perfect for that and instead we got models that just don't hit as hard as the could've.

[phandaal]

1 hour ago, TheMawr said:

 

The concept art is dated 2004 I think, the miniatures dates 2005.. its too short for concept-release development time as we know it, but I think those are metal and hand sculpted, Wich has a possible shorter turn around.. though MG concept art focuses more on specialists and characters that potentially expand on those.. these are very obviously not based on his concepts that are very ott. ( though I think GW often works with several concepts by different artists for the same thing, then make a selection wich go through, so that's also a possibility.. especially as GW was in a more "boring" ( subjective, but I dont know how else to describe it ) era then, and MG concepts are more fitting to both modern and pre-that era ( more 2nd ed ) design philosophies... though it sometimes jumps around.

 

Either way, the minis mirror the concept art, so at least at one point GW was willing to create minis like that. With how much they lean into nostalgia on some of these new units, we could very well end up with an upscaled multipart Tyrannic War Veteran kit in that style.

[TheMawr]

58 minutes ago, Orange Knight said:

 

Or they might do nothing at all. It's also entirely possible that "More Ultramarines" simply refers to re-boxing of several heroes that have disappeared from the store. Ventris is gone, Titus is gone, and there is also that other guy with the Thunder Hammer that was previewed some time ago - Ferren Arios?

 

Normally Id agree, as valraks rumor whispers have sometimes turned out similar. But this is not a valrak rumor, just a lengthy explanation :

 

I know some of you regular the AoS forum as well, but probably many dont. There is an AoS rumormonger there ( quite proven so far) putting out release info of a bigger magnitude than "The B&C list" a few years back. In a rare instance for reliable rumormongers he claims to work or has worked as part of a 40k team ( he actually doesnt even like AoS ), its all very off, but things so far already have been proven right, and the other famous AoS rumormonger seems to collaborate on a lot of rumors.

Its a very opiniated rumormonger and a couple of days ago went on a tangent how 40k things we should have gotten got canceled in favor of putting the resources to AoS instead ( and we would see it at the preview event). But upon the 500 worlds leak he retracted that maybe he was wrong after all about that. And apparently implied he thought there should be more coming in regards to ultramarines , there also seems to be an implication that its stuff he worked on that he thought was canceled.

Sadly i missed the exact wording on that ( he deletes almost everything he says, so when you miss it you sometimes are dependant on word of mouth.) But like i said we have other crossover members who might have caught what was said, might correct some things i say here.

 

So my theory is he was involved with the end of edition campaign, and upon seeing calgar, cato etc released without that campaign ( also remember, Arks of Omen was announced early october, the others even earlier ) and probably hearing something about a campaign for  AoS getting announced next week he angrily deduced that GW canceled 40ks end of edition campaign in order to free resources for an AoS mid edition campaign.

 

Actually as im typing it out, i realise more ultramarines stuff might just reference the campaign setting. Im not sure if he said miniatures. @Indy Techwisp or @LSM might know better what was said ?

[DeadFingers]

24 minutes ago, TheMawr said:

 

Normally Id agree, as valraks rumor whispers have sometimes turned out similar. But this is not a valrak rumor, just a lengthy explanation :

 

I know some of you regular the AoS forum as well, but probably many dont. There is an AoS rumormonger there ( quite proven so far) putting out release info of a bigger magnitude than "The B&C list" a few years back. In a rare instance for reliable rumormongers he claims to work or has worked as part of a 40k team ( he actually doesnt even like AoS ), its all very off, but things so far already have been proven right, and the other famous AoS rumormonger seems to collaborate on a lot of rumors.

Its a very opiniated rumormonger and a couple of days ago went on a tangent how 40k things we should have gotten got canceled in favor of putting the resources to AoS instead ( and we would see it at the preview event). But upon the 500 worlds leak he retracted that maybe he was wrong after all about that. And apparently implied he thought there should be more coming in regards to ultramarines , there also seems to be an implication that its stuff he worked on that he thought was canceled.

Sadly i missed the exact wording on that ( he deletes almost everything he says, so when you miss it you sometimes are dependant on word of mouth.) But like i said we have other crossover members who might have caught what was said, might correct some things i say here.

 

So my theory is he was involved with the end of edition campaign, and upon seeing calgar, cato etc released without that campaign ( also remember, Arks of Omen was announced early october, the others even earlier ) and probably hearing something about a campaign for  AoS getting announced next week he angrily deduced that GW canceled 40ks end of edition campaign in order to free resources for an AoS mid edition campaign.

 

Actually as im typing it out, i realise more ultramarines stuff might just reference the campaign setting. Im not sure if he said miniatures. @Indy Techwisp or @LSM might know better what was said ?

I've been following Boole's rumours for a bit (I keep my own document with compiled rumours) and I believe these posts are the ones concerning that particular tangent.

 

 

Parsing his posts and what they actually mean is a challenge sometimes, since English does not appear to be his first language (that or he posts while very tired or drunk, by his own admission) and there's also the fact that he very much enjoys speaking in riddles quite often, like so:

 

 

 

In fact, the whole speaking in riddles, dropping mysterious hints and playing coy seems to be a trend among AoS rumourmongers. Really makes you appreciate Valrak just saying "I heard X is getting a model" in contrast.

Edited 6 hours ago by DeadFingers

[Orange Knight]

Hmmm very interesting. All bets are off in any case.

[Halandaar]

Primaris Cassius and/or Tyrannic War Veterans would be enough to justify the phrase "more Ultramarines" imo. Doesn't need to be a massive thing.

[Evil Eye]

2 hours ago, Dalmyth said:

I feel like that's what the Infernus squads should've been. Having a unit filled with flamethrowers would've been perfect for that and instead we got models that just don't hit as hard as the could've.

To be fair, Infernus squads are very much just a standard special weapon squad, with the weapon in question being flamers (sorry, "pyreblasters"). I do think they could have done with more spice- a 1 per 5 option of a heavy flamer or an incendiary grenade launcher, and some more pyrotechnics-themed doodads for the armour- but I don't think Infernus squads necessarily means Plague War Veterans are off the cards, or at least any more off the cards than my blatant wishlisting is to begin with!

 

Personally I'd say PWVs would all be equipped with the previously mentioned air-scrubber backpacks ("Deputrifier processors" if you need a GW-approved name) and for weapons could be outfitted for melee or close-ranged shooting. The former would give them combat shields and polearms fitted with either mini-flamers or chem-throwers, the latter would be either extra spicy flamer weapons (loaded with a fuel that in-universe doesn't burn for as long, but INTENSELY hot to absolutely eradicate any trace of contaminant- GW would probably give them a dumb name like "Phosphorator Rifles") or heavy chem weapons ("Fumigator guns" or something like that). Maybe throw in a grenade launcher as a heavy weapon that can load either thermobaric or rad grenades?

[TheMawr]

1 hour ago, phandaal said:

 

Either way, the minis mirror the concept art, so at least at one point GW was willing to create minis like that. With how much they lean into nostalgia on some of these new units, we could very well end up with an upscaled multipart Tyrannic War Veteran kit in that style.

 

I think we are talking about different concepts, im specifically about those 

 

And they look nothing like the tyrannic veterans ( but its possible i missed their concept art.)

36 minutes ago, Halandaar said:

Primaris Cassius and/or Tyrannic War Veterans would be enough to justify the phrase "more Ultramarines" imo. Doesn't need to be a massive thing.

 

I doubt it would be much more really, and if there is more i think it will be generic .. didnt valrak also had a rumor of a flamer dreadnought? That sounds almost more fitting here than in the biker/vanguard/landspeeder rumor group. 

 

 

[phandaal]

24 minutes ago, TheMawr said:

And they look nothing like the tyrannic veterans ( but its possible i missed their concept art.)

 

Yep, I thought you meant this one:

 

 

To me this seems more like what a veteran Ultramarine would do, rather than festooning themselves with Tyranid parts.

[TheVoidDragon]

2 hours ago, TheMawr said:

 

"The B&C list" a few years back.

 

 

I tried to find this thread again but it seems to have vanished, wasn't there some thing on the list that have yet to happen?

 

2 hours ago, DeadFingers said:

I've been following Boole's rumours for a bit (I keep my own document with compiled rumours) and I believe these posts are the ones concerning that particular tangent.

 

 

 

 

I'm slightly confused by all this. He appears to be claiming that 40k products, including ultramarines, were cancelled to put more into AOS instead as they moved some of the team over to AOS, but if they're "long-delayed" then that implies they were already designed, so moving the team over shouldn't have affected that? Just why would they have cancelled kits for their most popular faction for their most popular game in favour of AOS? He says it may be a standard occurrence that he misunderstood, but still. 

 

What he says about TOW also just seems to go against what we've been told by GW though, doesn't it?. It sold beyond their expectations to the extent they increased the scope of their plans. Not to mention they just announced new plastic kits for something other than Cathay, Kislev is implied to be coming, and "amalgamations" of factions doesn't really make much sense.

I'm wondering what he's said in the past that was correct as these just sound more than a little strange to me. 

 

 

Edited 4 hours ago by TheVoidDragon

[Kommisar_K]

4 hours ago, Evil Eye said:

Something like that would be very cool actually. "Fumigator Squad" with extra tough hazmat style helmets, air purifier backpacks (as in, actually scrubbing the air around them of biological, chemical and spiritual hazards) and chem weapons to disinfectant the everloving gak out of the foe.

Mhmm yeah. Wouldn't want those Space Marines getting ... Poisoned!

[Laurence]

5 hours ago, Mogger351 said:

Im not sure what form that would take though, they're not to collect trophies and embellish themselves in the same manner with chaos gubbins.

Dressed as plague doctors with beakie helms.