500 Worlds Battalion: Necrons

[Dark Shepherd]

Perspective on the mandibles/mechanical limbs seems wayyyyy off

 

As fakes go Id give it 350/500 Worlds

[TheMawr]

27 minutes ago, Ming the Merciless said:

So bad it could be real, dear lord please no.

 

This is honestly the stance I almost have... a converter so great at having no bit being exactly recognisable and a paintjob/skill indistinguisable from GW studio... really wouldnt make this. ( including finding a tiny key* to put on the skirt for.. reasons ?) Ai maybe, I honestly wouldnt be suprised by how fast it develops... but GW.. GW sadly could definitely make this.... because "this" has been done before. (luckily its very very rare)

 

Bright side, at least you have official rules for all the potential conversions. A spacemarine conversion isnt the hardest thing to find bits for.

 

 

*Im still looking everywhere if I find a skirt with that key.. it seems integrated and is pretty ehh.. off-key (ghehe) for world eaters, so this could be the key (sigh..) to find out if its a conversion or not.

Edited yesterday at 05:35 PM by TheMawr
added nuance

[Cactus]

@TheMawr could it be a key to unlock the restraints on Red Butchers? 

[silverstu]

5 hours ago, TheVoidDragon said:

 

I don't remember there being a rumour of a votann jump unit from a reliable source?  It was just one of the things many were assuming there would be because there was a jump pack in the killteam, even though that's not how Killteam units work. 

 

Yeah thats what I thought - but there's a poster on the Votann Discord who had mentioned them as a coming from a solid source [seemingly a source to him] and in the ;ast day or day was insistent that the jump troops are ready to release. He might be full of it though.. I just thought the Votann release was a little light, so this might make sense. [plus I love jump'fly troops].

[Lord Marshal]

1 hour ago, silverstu said:

Yeah thats what I thought - but there's a poster on the Votann Discord who had mentioned them as a coming from a solid source [seemingly a source to him] and in the ;ast day or day was insistent that the jump troops are ready to release. He might be full of it though.. I just thought the Votann release was a little light, so this might make sense. [plus I love jump'fly troops].

 

Could they be a Kill Team? We're getting Raptors after Dead Silence afterall, plus we had Jump Scions and Vespid last year, so there is a precedent for teams that hop around in recent seasons. 

 

Being a KT release would also explain why, if the rumour is credible, they hadn't been included in the actual codex release (not unlike Phobos Wolf Scouts).

 

Edited yesterday at 07:22 PM by Lord Marshal

[silverstu]

2 hours ago, Lord Marshal said:

 

Could they be a Kill Team? We're getting Raptors after Dead Silence afterall, plus we had Jump Scions and Vespid last year, so there is a precedent for teams that hop around in recent seasons. 

 

Being a KT release would also explain why, if the rumour is credible, they hadn't been included in the actual codex release (not unlike Phobos Wolf Scouts).

 

Could be, that was the thinking although it seems a bit early for another Votann killteam. Although thinking about it the jump pack unit rumour seems to be similar to the Yaegir rumour which seemed to be group thinking but turned out to be true. I wouldn't put too much trust in it though..

[Larkhainan]

5 hours ago, TheMawr said:

Ai maybe, I honestly wouldnt be suprised by how fast it develops... 

I've played around with inference a bit for visual generation and to explain, yes you could but I don't see someone doing it. I could go into a long winded vaguely technical explanation but in basics: You could do it now, it's a lot of work, you'd have to fight with the code and re-iterate hundreds of times to avoid errors people would instantly catch. Doesn't seem likely and I don't think the current techniques will ever be good at it.

 

Pranking people with craftsmanship doesn't usually involve willingly renting GPU time or burning up your power bill to generate thousands of images of hands growing out of world eater bunny helmets or losing track of limbs or putting torso on backwards until you find get one where the chaos gods smile on you.

[Agramar_The_Luna_Wolf]

7 hours ago, 01RTB01 said:

Valraks confirmed as legit. It's just hideous lol.

If it's finally true, is ugly as...something very ugly.

We will see.

 

By the way,even Valrak can be be wrong or mistaken...

[Indy Techwisp]

34 minutes ago, Agramar_The_Luna_Wolf said:

If it's finally true, is ugly as...something very ugly.

We will see.

 

By the way,even Valrak can be be wrong or mistaken...

 

Valrak's responded to someone else stealing his "There it is" line regarding a post before the supposed Berserker Surgeon who was in turn responding to Valrak saying the either the 500 Worlds Necron Box leak or the "Even more Ultramarines" leak was real (I couldn't see which of the 2 leaks he was specifically referring to).

 

I do not believe Valrak has made any statements of confirmation towards the Berserker Surgeon specifically.

Edited 22 hours ago by Indy Techwisp

[TheMawr]

24 minutes ago, Larkhainan said:

I've played around with inference a bit for visual generation and to explain, yes you could but I don't see someone doing it. I could go into a long winded vaguely technical explanation but in basics: You could do it now, it's a lot of work, you'd have to fight with the code and re-iterate hundreds of times to avoid errors people would instantly catch. Doesn't seem likely and I don't think the current techniques will ever be good at it.

 

Pranking people with craftsmanship doesn't usually involve willingly renting GPU time or burning up your power bill to generate thousands of images of hands growing out of world eater bunny helmets or losing track of limbs or putting torso on backwards until you find get one where the chaos gods smile on you.

 

Oh the context of that sentence was mainly that I could see Ai making those weird choices we see ( hence why I subsequentally say GW would definitely make those ) with the other remark being a between nose-and-lips remark (is this an english saying as well ?) regarding how fast it develops.

I just dont see a converter making those choices, wich is the most ( or even only ) likely candidate vs it being real.

 

Digital conversion ( after all, wether its a conversion or Ai, photoshop skills have to have been applied.) is another option, last time we have had this talk ( with calgar ) I tried it out to experiment with to see the time and effort involved to also get the proper balance between blurred and sharpness and making it look as if its a miniature photographed within the terrain;

 

 

And this already took quite a bit of time to get the right balance between each plane, and it was still not there ( not even counting the miniature itself, wich also has telltale elements of what bits are used.) to reach the "quality" of the leak, it needs to be at least half the size. ( same with that calgar, wich was the subject then.)

I actually wanted to throw this image through easier and free Ai tools while also making the box in photoshop ( this btw, is the easiest part.. funniest thing, the alignment of text people pointed out will not happen if make fake box elements in text, but they will happen if you use enhancement tools like rescaling etc. to a real box.)

 

But when it comes to technology I only ever used the barest of what I need to work ( my photoshop is CS3 ) so I cant really call myself an expert on these matters ( I still do my sketching and inking by hand.)

 

When looking at the pictures to find at least one conversion bit ( after all, if its the right bit its enough evidence ) I did notice this ( wich someone pointed out is not an element on CSM )

The square shape on the upper leg armor does exist in the berzerkers kit.. so its mere inclusion doesnt mean the picture is fake, but interestingly, that leg has a similarily placed round belt buckle with the khorne symbol... it might be that leg-bit even ( I havent checked if on the sprue that left upper leg and the belt are coincidentally connected.) the shoulderpads are also close enough in the berzerker kit, as is the backpack and helmet ( sans monocle, but thats easy to greenstuff ) The tools on the backpack could easily be drawn, they are too blurred to distinct wether they had real lighting.

Problem remains the left hand ( wich looks to me to be a smaller version of the slaughterbound 4 fingered chainsaw middlefinger hands... those do not exist and are a bit harder to sculpt.) and the skirt, yes green stuff can do that, but this one seems to have choices you make for reproduction... and especially that damn random key XD ( @Cactus good call, but then GW needs to acknowledge their existence first ;) )

 

Not gonna put further real research effort in it though but I really dont know what to think of it.. my bottomline is this ; 

 

This is either :

 

1. A fake that someone put waaay too much effort in.
2. A real one that someone put waaay too little effort in*

 

* Though, sometimes things might look better with a clearer shot.. the vampire lord on steed looked a lot less awkwardly positioned and proportioned when we saw the proper picture. Ive seen the newer generation smart phones do some weird things with the digitally assisted over correcting of images.

[Dark Shepherd]

45 minutes ago, Agramar_The_Luna_Wolf said:

If it's finally true, is ugly as...something very ugly.

We will see.

 

By the way,even Valrak can be be wrong or mistaken...

That Black Templar Ancient just went out for a pack of cigarettes

[darkhorse0607]

11 minutes ago, Indy Techwisp said:

 

Valrak's responded to someone else stealing his "There it is" line regarding a post before the supposed Berserker Surgeon who was in turn responding to Valrak saying the either the 500 Worlds Necron Box leak or the "Even more Ultramarines" leak was real (I couldn't see which of the 2 leaks he was specifically referring to).

 

I do not believe Valrak has made any statements of confirmation towards the Berserker Surgeon specifically.

 

Not specifically a video but he spent an hour or so today streaming basically repeating that it was fake every time someone would ask him. Which was often

[TheMawr]

2 minutes ago, Indy Techwisp said:

 

Valrak's responded to someone else stealing his "There it is" line regarding a post before the supposed Berserker Surgeon who was in turn responding to Valrak saying the either the 500 Worlds Necron Box leak or the "Even more Ultramarines" leak was real (I couldn't see which of the 2 leaks he was specifically referring to).

 

I do not believe Valrak has made any statements of confirmation towards the Berserker Surgeon specifically.

 

Ohno, he did quite the opposite.. in his stream he made outlandish promises of things he will do if this turns out to be real. Maybe within 24 hours I know I need to skip the livestream for a bit 

 

btw speaking of wich

1 hour ago, silverstu said:

Could be, that was the thinking although it seems a bit early for another Votann killteam. Although thinking about it the jump pack unit rumour seems to be similar to the Yaegir rumour which seemed to be group thinking but turned out to be true. I wouldn't put too much trust in it though..

 

There was some talk/teasing about Votann with death orks by valrak in the stream. No mention of anything else though, wether its a character or an unit, unknown, nor wether its implied to be a 10th edition release or a Kill team release or whatever... will probably be more detailed in a rumor video later.
Though I think interesting things can be done with the fantasy Orc slayer concept, but in space and with jetpacks.

 

Its not necessarily that soon for another votann kill team, after all they are among those that, while they have still legal teams, have had no team this edition, and we are over halfway of knowing what this edition brings. ( 10 teams max basically, assuming it remains 4 boxes per season.) but it goes very far from the 500 world topic.. need to speculate back to that 

 

[Orange Knight]

Looking over the whole discussion and all the evidence, it would seem that my original conclusion was wrong, and that this model could indeed be real.

 

If it's real, the angle of the box shot is very unflattering and could potentially explain our reservations. It's also just blurry enough that the finer details can't be appreciated. 

 

If it's a fake then someone went extremely far out of their way to make it. I guess it's possible for someone to want to troll the 40k online community, but it's a lot of effort.

Edited 22 hours ago by Orange Knight

[Chapter Master Valrak]

11 hours ago, DeadFingers said:

Not sure where the perceived attitude is coming from, although I do have a tendency to sound more aggressive than I intend to, so I apologize. But I think Valrak's referring to the 500 worlds thing since the "there it is" post was referring to it.

 

@Chapter Master Valrak can you confirm or deny if you were talking about the 500 worlds thing of the berzerker surgeon? Or if you've heard anything about how legit the latter is?

 

Berserker Surgeon is as real as Perturabos Siege Ability.

[Nephaston]

3 hours ago, Chapter Master Valrak said:

Berserker Surgeon is as real as Perturabos Siege Ability.

 

Soooo... it is real?

[Jukkiz]

1 hour ago, Nephaston said:

 

Soooo... it is real?

IF still salty about one siege attempt 

[DeadFingers]

6 hours ago, Chapter Master Valrak said:

 

Berserker Surgeon is as real as Perturabos Siege Ability.

As they say, "well there it is".

[silverstu]

11 hours ago, TheMawr said:

 

btw speaking of wich

 

There was some talk/teasing about Votann with death orks by valrak in the stream. No mention of anything else though, wether its a character or an unit, unknown, nor wether its implied to be a 10th edition release or a Kill team release or whatever... will probably be more detailed in a rumor video later.
Though I think interesting things can be done with the fantasy Orc slayer concept, but in space and with jetpacks.

 

Its not necessarily that soon for another votann kill team, after all they are among those that, while they have still legal teams, have had no team this edition, and we are over halfway of knowing what this edition brings. ( 10 teams max basically, assuming it remains 4 boxes per season.) but it goes very far from the 500 world topic.. need to speculate back to that 

 

Cheers! Very interesting as he name checked Votann the talking about the 500 worlds, which I thought was odd as he is known for not being a fan.  I suppose Killteam could be likely then as GW are using it to bolster factions rosters. This does click with what Boole [the rumour guy on TGA] said about 40k releases being "reduced" for AoS production [he qualified this later saying it might have been just the strategy] and that we would see what was held back later. Could be stuff like Votann kit, the Eldar corsairs, the marine kits etc which will be released as part of the end edition campaign? 

Boole also came out with Iron Warriors will be getting their own kits and book as a separate chaos faction and possibly a loyalist primarch coming out of the warp "a familiar character" - Vulkan?].

 

Edit - Valrak has just posted a video saying he has heard of Votann getting a model related to killing orks. Could be a character, maybe a named KillTeam or a battalion box for the 500 worlds campaign. I may have dreamt it but I'm sure I heard factions would get more than just a single model for the end of edition campaign.

Edited 10 hours ago by silverstu
fresh info

[Marshal Reinhard]

As much as 40k is silly and over the top and very very silly (yes I said silly twice), I think a BERSERKER surgeon is perhaps a bit too? I might have bought it if it was an Ork unit.

[DeadFingers]

Just now, Marshal Reinhard said:

As much as 40k is silly and over the top and very very silly (yes I said silly twice), I think a BERSERKER surgeon is perhaps a bit too? I might have bought it if it was an Ork unit.

Someone has to keep putting the nails into new recruits.

[TheVoidDragon]

Quite a few (mostly elsewhere) seem to be saying that the Bezerker is AI, but i'm not entirely sure why? It seems more like it's "I don't like this, so it's AI" rather than there being any actual clear indications. 

 

18 hours ago, silverstu said:

Yeah thats what I thought - but there's a poster on the Votann Discord who had mentioned them as a coming from a solid source [seemingly a source to him] and in the ;ast day or day was insistent that the jump troops are ready to release. He might be full of it though.. I just thought the Votann release was a little light, so this might make sense. [plus I love jump'fly troops].

 I remember someone did mention a few things and they seemed credible just can't remember the Jump pack being part of that, must have missed it then