500 Worlds Battalion: Necrons

[Alby the Slayer]

If this is Aeldari related in any form it would be great but common sense talking says to me it's another space marine related thing.

 

Interesting for sure noneless.

[Mogger351]

Because I've some time and bored today, so investing more into this than I maybe should.

Based on latest rumours and likely releases, based on my best guesstimates of locations in contemporary lore, assuming "500 worlds" is relating to the fiefdom of Ultramar

Talk of a Yarrick release - that'd be Armageddon, which isn't in the 500 worlds iirc

Prince Yriel and corsairs - has ties narratively to Iyanden which afaik isn't currently in Ultramar, but is a fair shot

Huron & Red Corsairs - operate from the Maelstrom and were a key presence at Nachmund, which is very far removed from Ultramar
Trazyn - is wherever he wants to be, so possible, the box reinforces this, but what purpose does he have being there? The first Nightbringer shard was found in Ultramar iirc

Sisters release - Their main narrative ark is the Pariah Nexus

Admech Release - Their main narrative ark is at the Pariah Nexus with Cawl

 

To add to this AFAIK Guilliman and all notable Ultramarines are in the Pariah Nexus.

 

So to me, a full narrative ark for the 500 worlds of Ultramar would require some really wibbly wobbly retcon work.

 

[TheMawr]

27 minutes ago, Mogger351 said:

It would also contradict the potential Armageddon focus that's being penned in.

 

It's also making an assumption it's a series rather than a selection of stand alone entries.

 

These are both speculation from valrak though afaik, with the Armageddon speculation focusing on the new boxset especially.

 

The end of edition campaigns rarely have a direct connection to the new edition, gathering storm was not about deathguard, psychic awakening only the last book had direct relevance to necrons and Arks of omen had nothing to do with tyranids. 

I'm not saying they can't change this, just that the boxset being (rumored) Armageddon doesn't necessarily mean anything to the campaign and vice versa.

 

[Tastyfish]

Trazyn is currently at Mordian in Segmentum Obscuris, involved in the narrative event at the moment

[Mogger351]

12 minutes ago, TheMawr said:

 

These are both speculation from valrak though afaik, with the Armageddon speculation focusing on the new boxset especially.

 

The end of edition campaigns rarely have a direct connection to the new edition, gathering storm was not about deathguard, psychic awakening only the last book had direct relevance to necrons and Arks of omen had nothing to do with tyranids. 

I'm not saying they can't change this, just that the boxset being (rumored) Armageddon doesn't necessarily mean anything to the campaign and vice versa.

 

- Gathering storm saw the eye open which literally segwayed in the narrative for 8th, saw Guilliman rise which was the catalyst for Death Guard appearing and a chaos centric 8th.
- Psychic awakening documented a lot of the movements in the Pariah Nexus and the beginning of the imperial effort there, which leads into 9th with Necrons.
- Arks of Omen is the odd one out here realistically, as it actually once again leads back to Necrons and the Pariah Nexus. Tyranids do not feature at all, Tyranids get a "big bad" upgrade in 10th, then are never mentioned again really.

- 500 Worlds would once again seemingly involve Necrons, the Pariah Nexus somehow and have nothing to do with 10th editions "big bad", nor even 11ths if it is Orks.

 

In conclusion, everything leads to Necron. Who knows why at this point.

[TheMawr]

4 minutes ago, Mogger351 said:

Because I've some time and bored today, so investing more into this than I maybe should.

Based on latest rumours and likely releases, based on my best guesstimates of locations in contemporary lore, assuming "500 worlds" is relating to the fiefdom of Ultramar

Talk of a Yarrick release - that'd be Armageddon, which isn't in the 500 worlds iirc

Prince Yriel and corsairs - has ties narratively to Iyanden which afaik isn't currently in Ultramar, but is a fair shot

Huron & Red Corsairs - operate from the Maelstrom and were a key presence at Nachmund, which is very far removed from Ultramar
Trazyn - is wherever he wants to be, so possible, the box reinforces this, but what purpose does he have being there? The first Nightbringer shard was found in Ultramar iirc

Sisters release - Their main narrative ark is the Pariah Nexus

Admech Release - Their main narrative ark is at the Pariah Nexus with Cawl

 

To add to this AFAIK Guilliman and all notable Ultramarines are in the Pariah Nexus.

 

So to me, a full narrative ark for the 500 worlds of Ultramar would require some really wibbly wobbly retcon work.

 

 

The biggest thing that's weird to me is calgar and co being released as random releases if the narrative is 500 worlds. But without rumors, the actual kill team narrative is already set in this setting and Includes necron and sisters of battle, kill team isnt always directly linked either though, but there is that from official sources.

 

Yarrick - this is true, he is the odd man out. He is a new rumor though.. might be not for this campaign at all.

 

Prince yriel - has another narrative tie beyond iyanden ( in fact the codex says he left iyanden behind ) Wich is ynnari ( crone sword ) And they have several lose ties to this setting. He wasn't very involved in their stories but keep in mind that's mostly because there was no new miniature to market.. GWs prime narrative motivation for better or worse. Im not saying this will happen, just that Yriel isn't that tied to iyanden anymore. Besides the exodite world in the area was yvraines corsair life home base, it might host other corsairs as well.

 

Trazyn - is the weirdest one as he is currently tied to mordian. Don't underestimate the grand narrative elements, they are written by GW .. not just the event organization. It's not impossible there will be narrative links. ( with wich I mean, the dysjuntion could also happen in Ultramar ).

 

Sisters of battle are fighting the harbinger in Ultramar, or they will be when shadowhunt releases. They are an imperium wide organization though. Not tied to one place or one narrative. Same with Admech.

 

The whole point of the narrative could be that Ultramar is doomed because their notable members are not there. That sounds completely up GWs ally to believe the only ones who can properly defend Ultramar are those with a name and a miniature.. not the many nameless defenders that stay behind.

 

Also dont underestimate the potential for very strange story choices like vashtorr teleporting armageddon into Ultramar in the last book... ( yuck ) 

[TheMawr]

Btw I'm not trying to argue, just have a friendly speculative conversation if that wasn't clear :) might not necessarily be obvious online.

 

Also remember we still have GWs cryptic " what this means for the ultramarines chapter find out later this year " .. we haven't found that out yet either.

[NTaW]

1 hour ago, Mogger351 said:

To add to this AFAIK Guilliman and all notable Ultramarines are in the Pariah Nexus.

 

I think, and I may be wrong, that with the timeline alteration with the Dawn of Fire series the Ultramarines are "currently" heading from the Pariah Nexus to Ultramar to deal with Mortarion's advances there. The Dark Imperium trilogy has been altered to be after the events of The Silent King. Guilliman still has to get through the Atillan Gate to rescue/reinforce Baal during the Devastation, so it's all a bit timey-wimey. I'm still getting my mind around the current state of things. We have no real clue about when this 500 Worlds thing is taking place, it could be shoehorned in anywhere (as is tradition ).

[Mogger351]

1 hour ago, TheMawr said:

Btw I'm not trying to argue, just have a friendly speculative conversation if that wasn't clear :) might not necessarily be obvious online.

 

Also remember we still have GWs cryptic " what this means for the ultramarines chapter find out later this year " .. we haven't found that out yet either.

Same, can't beat a good nerd out!

[Mogger351]

1 hour ago, TheMawr said:

 

The biggest thing that's weird to me is calgar and co being released as random releases if the narrative is 500 worlds. But without rumors, the actual kill team narrative is already set in this setting and Includes necron and sisters of battle, kill team isnt always directly linked either though, but there is that from official sources.

 

Yarrick - this is true, he is the odd man out. He is a new rumor though.. might be not for this campaign at all.

 

Prince yriel - has another narrative tie beyond iyanden ( in fact the codex says he left iyanden behind ) Wich is ynnari ( crone sword ) And they have several lose ties to this setting. He wasn't very involved in their stories but keep in mind that's mostly because there was no new miniature to market.. GWs prime narrative motivation for better or worse. Im not saying this will happen, just that Yriel isn't that tied to iyanden anymore. Besides the exodite world in the area was yvraines corsair life home base, it might host other corsairs as well.

 

Trazyn - is the weirdest one as he is currently tied to mordian. Don't underestimate the grand narrative elements, they are written by GW .. not just the event organization. It's not impossible there will be narrative links. ( with wich I mean, the dysjuntion could also happen in Ultramar ).

 

Sisters of battle are fighting the harbinger in Ultramar, or they will be when shadowhunt releases. They are an imperium wide organization though. Not tied to one place or one narrative. Same with Admech.

 

The whole point of the narrative could be that Ultramar is doomed because their notable members are not there. That sounds completely up GWs ally to believe the only ones who can properly defend Ultramar are those with a name and a miniature.. not the many nameless defenders that stay behind.

 

Also dont underestimate the potential for very strange story choices like vashtorr teleporting armageddon into Ultramar in the last book... ( yuck ) 

Minor point but the kill team stuff is on Somneft apparently and that's in the Nephilim Sector, so isn't in the 500 worlds either iirc.

[nodnol88]

Let’s be honest, Arks of Omen was shoehorned together. Farsight is fighting on a planet that has the mucguffin relating to the overall plot, but that’s it.

 

This could be as ham-fisted as “Calgar receives word that Necrons are waking up across Ultrimar, so races back to the 500 Worlds. BUT WAIT…he’s attacked by pirates on the way back….OH NO it’s Eldar Corsairs led by Yriel. BUT WAIT…Here comes the Red Corsairs led by Huron Blackheart. Arriving home, Trazyn the Infinite has collected Sergeant Tellion in a pokeball and now more of Ultrimar is at risk.”

 

They can weave it together however they wish. 

Interesting that Valrak comments in his latest video that maybe Armageddon is for 11th and the rumours he talks about (not his own whispers this time) say there could be even more Ultramarines coming. 

[Prot]

Let's pretend it's real. 

 

What would be the point or narrative here? 

• - 500 worlds would refer to a giant campaign. (I think this would be good)
• - A Campaign that has a great deal of the enemies of the Imperium attacking the 500 would allow for a lot of Battalions. (Think back to the amazing golden age of Armageddon: Steel Legion, Black Legion, Salamanders. etc)
• - The end of the edition. Makes sense... GW likes to end/start editions with a bang. 
• - An excuse to revisit Marines in general, and potentially the re-visit of Chapter Approved (miss this a lot) and/or Chapter Supplements. (miss these too)
• - Necrons/Xenos assert dominance. GW loves to put the Imperiun on its back foot. 
•  - Huron tie in. Huron is a very cool CSM character that deserves a reprisal. Rumoured is his new fig. He also tied in with the end of the edition with the Triumvirate story line where he captures RG (who is ultimately rescued... no spoilers!) So we could revisit this whole 'grudge' with the release of the Red Corsairs.

 

Just some thoughts. I always miss the days of the great online campaigns and bigger storylines. They brought us all together and even changed some of the storylines. I'd just love to see a revisit of those days. :)

 

 

[irlLordy]

3 hours ago, NTaW said:

This is a box I'd be tempted to buy two of even though I've told myself my Necrons are "finished being collected". Only thing weird to me is the Hexmark leading the group instead of a Skorpekh or (new) Lokhust Lord, but that has more to do with my understanding of the lore. I didn't even realize the pistol-slinging nutjob could be a Warlord.

 

The hexmark is really the only character at the moment which fits a pure destroyer box. The Lokhust lord isn't available and the Skorpekh Lord comes on the same sprue as the plasmancer and reanimator, so they'd need to tag along as well, which wouldn't be ideal for this box. 

Edited 8 hours ago by irlLordy

[NTaW]

37 minutes ago, irlLordy said:

 

The hexmark is really the only character at the moment which fits a pure destroyer box. The Lokhust lord isn't available and the Skorpekh Lord comes on the same sprue as the plasmancer and reanimator, so they'd need to tag along as well, which wouldn't be ideal for this box. 

 

Good call! I didn't realize the SL wasn't on its own sprue yet. I would have hoped for a proper LL model to replace the Finecast upgrade parts, but the box looks solid as is.

[skylerboodie]

1 hour ago, Prot said:

- 500 worlds would refer to a giant campaign. (I think this would be good)

 

 

 

500 Worlds just refers to Ultramar, no? rather than a campaign across 500 generic worlds

[The Praetorian of Inwit]

Perhaps Battalions will be a new type of box, like AoS got Spearhead to replace Vanguard. 

 

Or perhaps its the end of edition campaign. If the first book is planned for January/February then it would make sense to reveal it in November. 

 

Either way, given the silly mcguffin nonsense of Arks of Omen and the myriad unresolved plot points these things introduce I have zero expectations of quality writing. 

 

 

[Karhedron]

10 minutes ago, The Praetorian of Inwit said:

Either way, given the silly mcguffin nonsense of Arks of Omen and the myriad unresolved plot points these things introduce I have zero expectations of quality writing. 

 

The campaign books are not usually noted for their literary quality.  But when it comes to a good excuse to drop new models then I say, bring 'em on!

[Kommisar_K]

That "500 World's" on that box looks a bit off center to me. Take that how you will. 

 

Assuming the box is real...

When was the last Necrons refresh? With the Shard of the Nightbringer confirmed it would kind of make sense for 'crons to feature in the end of edition campaign. Surely GW won't be limiting the big boy to Kill Team. So 500 world's doesn't seem entirely impossible. For an end of edition campaign, anyway. 

 

Then next edition GW can swing over to Armageddon for the box set and hopefully keep focused on that for a while, unlike Leviathan. I don't see where Elder or Huron could fit into this, but GW does love their "plot twists"

[The Praetorian of Inwit]

Huron, Yriel, the Night bringer etc have always been in Ultramar ;)

[Mogger351]

9 minutes ago, The Praetorian of Inwit said:

Huron, Yriel, the Night bringer etc have always been in Ultramar ;)

Eh? Do I need to go old man and whack out a map?

[Fire Golem]

14 minutes ago, Mogger351 said:

Eh? Do I need to go old man and whack out a map?

No, they’re joking about them retconning it. 

[TheMawr]

4 hours ago, Mogger351 said:

Minor point but the kill team stuff is on Somneft apparently and that's in the Nephilim Sector, so isn't in the 500 worlds either iirc.

Ah Thats true and neither is the dead silence one, but Still, shadowhunt is. ( maybe they purposedly made a dual meaning and its all about 500 tomb worlds awakening Galaxy wide.. with a focus on those awakening in ultramar ;) far fetched i know)

 

Not directly related, but might as well make this a central topic for end of edition speculation.. Lysanders fluff bit ended with a "maybe he gets a chance for revenge on shontu soon" remark. If the iron warriors upgrade sprue rumor is True then them getting a character isnt unlikely either... But anyone know is shontu that likely candidate ? And might there be " ultramar links" there ? ( good chance its just a meaning less bit )

 

37 minutes ago, Karhedron said:

 

The campaign books are not usually noted for their literary quality.  But when it comes to a good excuse to drop new models then I say, bring 'em on!

 

The bigger stories arent the reason why I like them so much and look forward to them.  When you can pierce through the  bigger arc there are always lots of lovely setting building tidbits.. I absolutely loved the small blurbs that psychic awakening had online and in the books. Arks of Omen had a lot less of those.

 

Honestly every book being just dozens of 1 or 2 page stories like those surrounding an event.. That would be perfect. Even more if some of those continue from previous ones.

[darkhorse0607]

19 minutes ago, TheMawr said:

Not directly related, but might as well make this a central topic for end of edition speculation.. Lysanders fluff bit ended with a "maybe he gets a chance for revenge on shontu soon" remark. If the iron warriors upgrade sprue rumor is True then them getting a character isnt unlikely either... But anyone know is shontu that likely candidate ? And might there be " ultramar links" there ? ( good chance its just a meaning less bit )

 

Shontu could be get one

 

But in my opinion, the obvious one to tie into the 500 Worlds (if the Iron Warriors Kill Team is real and/or they get a character) would be Honsou. He didn't die at the end of the Ventris (not counting the newest one) novels, he already has ties to the Ultramarines/attacking Ultramar as well as Perturabo (if that rumor is also true). 

 

*edit, he also has met Huron, forgot about that, so that ties it together as well

Edited 5 hours ago by darkhorse0607

[Mogger351]

28 minutes ago, Fire Golem said:

No, they’re joking about them retconning it. 

Fair, that sailed over my head.

[Fluxeor]

Ultramarines wise, Tyranid War Vets, Cassius and Telion maybe?