Berserker Surgeon? Real or Fake.

[TheMawr]

28 minutes ago, Norman Paperman said:

The model looks so blurry while the text on the box is crisp and legible. Model's feet also seem like they're not really painted in the 'eavy Metal scheme. Zooming in, there is some gentle edge highlighting on the shins and feet of the greaves, not anywhere near the crisp edge highlights that you expect on GW box art. 

 

Whole thing is just uncanny valley. 

 

While I do know what you mean, a reason that I dont consider that the strongest indicators currently is that I recently ( 3 weeks ago ) saw what someone's smart function assisted camera did to a pictures of a box (toys, not miniatures), and its exactly the things that people take as telltale signs. 

 

For some reason the pictures looked even more fake than this one does, the text on the box seemed to be hovering slightly above the box while there was some weird blurring/auto correction going on on places where in real life light from a lamp caused a flare or where there was external object shadow... I dont know what caused it, and cant replicate it as its not my phone (wich is old anyway).

 

But I assume, considering who it was who was making the picture and what kind of picture they usually take it was some sort of vanity smart-filter that was more designed to remove ineffeciencies/wrinkles from skin. 

 

Im not saying that this is proof that this one cannot be or is not fake though, Only pointing out that digital, computer assisted weirdness is really affecting both sides of the coin.. it can make real stuff look fake, and fake stuff look real. 

 

imho there is nothing in the picture ( both the quality and what it shows.) to make it definitely without a doubt fake. But the problem is this says more about the time we live in than proofing it is real.

 

The biggest visual doubt I have, and one that keeps me on the fence, is still actually a very "innocent" one... the base is brownish like many studio armies have. But world eaters boxset bases are grayish. This is still hardly hard undenial evidence when shadowhunt has completely different bases than the 2 first kill team set in the season. 

 

My bigger doubts are around non-visual elements though. But then, 40k release behavior is a little off recently.

 

 

[Joe]

I'm on the fence with this about whether it's real or not. That said, as a World Eaters fan I'm not massively dissatisfied with the idea of Berzerker-Surgeon's getting a model - they aren't a minor part of the legion by any stretch, and it's nice to get at least another HQ/Elite unit. There are plenty of other gaps to fill in the range, admittedly; an infantry Lord, mounted Berzerkers, or even rolling in concepts like the Recon Company that's been flagged up a few times, or Havocs.

 

All said and done, if this isn't fake it's possible this is part of a broader set of releases for World Eaters rather than a standalone model. But we'll see.

[Dark Shepherd]

108% a fake

 

 

[TheMawr]

47 minutes ago, Dark Shepherd said:

108% a fake

 

 

 

You know, as much as I say all of the arguments can be explained even if real ( including the alignment issue with the bottom part.)

The point around the 6 minute mark is not. That one is a definite proof imho.

Because no photography weirdness would cause that, and the only way this would happen in the box design process is if for some weird reason, the designers remake the framing every single time they design a box ( wich would be ridiculous, and is disproven by the other boxes.)

 

That does raise some serious questions though, because afaik.. Ai doesnt do that either. ( because thats not how Ai works ) but when making the fake by hand, its actually alot more effort to completely redesign that part of the box from scratch ( wich is the case here.) rather than just use existing box elements used here to provide proof. Using existing ones is very very easy work, wich someone who does all this effort should definitely know.

This is so weird 

 

 

edit : Small correction, I went and looked and different usage ( online/size boxes ) of that frame with logo seem to have a different positioning of the same BG pattern ( screaming heads ). Wich means it doesnt necessarily exclude trained Ai. ( it would exclude Ai only if the nose/mouth was always in the same relation to the wing of the logo as there would be no variants to take an average from, but there apparently is.)

Edited Tuesday at 04:40 PM by TheMawr

[TheVoidDragon]

24 minutes ago, TheMawr said:

 

You know, as much as I say all of the arguments can be explained even if real ( including the alignment issue with the bottom part.)

The point around the 6 minute mark is not. That one is a definite proof imho.

Because no photography weirdness would cause that, and the only way this would happen in the box design process is if for some weird reason, the designers remake the framing every single time they design a box ( wich would be ridiculous, and is disproven by the other boxes.)

 

 

 

It does seem slightly odd if character models are consistently packed the same, but from what I can tell he's used the store photos as examples, and those appear to be edited from a template rather than actual photos of an box each time. So it's not entirely clear if they are the same usually or not.

 

The Missing TM however is a pretty good indicator it might be fake after all, though. 

Edited Tuesday at 04:56 PM by TheVoidDragon

[Jukkiz]

for the love of Angron, please no... 

Give WE red butchers and something like headtaker aesthetic medic man

[Karhedron]

This photo has been in the wild for a couple of days now. In the past when a model has leaked like this, GW has normally done an official reveal fairly quickly afterwards. The longer we go without an official GW reveal, the more likely it is that this is a fake.

[crimsondave]

1 hour ago, Karhedron said:

This photo has been in the wild for a couple of days now. In the past when a model has leaked like this, GW has normally done an official reveal fairly quickly afterwards. The longer we go without an official GW reveal, the more likely it is that this is a fake.

Fingers crossed, but after Coteaz I put nothing past them.

[TheVoidDragon]

1 hour ago, Karhedron said:

This photo has been in the wild for a couple of days now. In the past when a model has leaked like this, GW has normally done an official reveal fairly quickly afterwards. The longer we go without an official GW reveal, the more likely it is that this is a fake.

 

I wouldn't say that's an indication really when they don't always, and with there being a reveal show this week if it was intended for that they might not reveal it early as its only a few days. 

[phandaal]

On 11/3/2025 at 3:02 PM, Dark Shepherd said:

Hyphon in the name seems fishy too

 

Hyphens are the least fishy thing about any supposed GW name.

[Jalleo]

From a phone perspective it looked real if you zoom in on the head with desktop it has odd lines of visible differences of quality from the forehead level. The same can be noted in certain other areas and there is a parculiar black line at the chainsword above to the left. This photo seems like it was distorted in some way.

[Mogger351]

3 hours ago, Karhedron said:

This photo has been in the wild for a couple of days now. In the past when a model has leaked like this, GW has normally done an official reveal fairly quickly afterwards. The longer we go without an official GW reveal, the more likely it is that this is a fake.

They never acknowledged Malys fwiw.

[CL_Mission]

3 minutes ago, Mogger351 said:

They never acknowledged Malys fwiw.

She wasn't leaked like this. With her it was just photos of the sprue, there wasn't a picture of the assembled/painted model like other leaks where the show the box art or something like that.

[TheMawr]

5 minutes ago, Mogger351 said:

They never acknowledged Malys fwiw.

 

Yup not every leak gets acknowledged quickly if ever... the funniest one is Othar Half-King.

It leaked over a year ago now I think ? but by now many people even got their hand on the model and it still hasnt been acknowledged to exist  (slightly different situation as its a special/limited release.)

wich started out as this one I believe ( so it had very similar discussions, even more so as this used alot of elements of a whole different faction the box says it belongs to )

 

 

[Mogger351]

1 hour ago, CL_Mission said:

She wasn't leaked like this. With her it was just photos of the sprue, there wasn't a picture of the assembled/painted model like other leaks where the show the box art or something like that.

Oh yeah, but someone having the physical mini as evidence to build and paint or sell should definitely warrant a stronger response than a slightly iffy box art though.

[TheMawr]

Im trying to look back at some of the more controversial/discussed leaks.. but I realise, I know many more ones that where real in the end than fake

The only fake ones I know from the top of my head are the Grey knights and World eaters combat patrol, and these are in a whole different league of being called "an image"  I do remember another one made with Ai last year, but it was very obviously Ai. ( some unit shots.. cant even remember, was it eldar ? )

 

       

 

 

Then the heavily discussed ones that turned out real ( some took a while to be adressed )

 

    

 

 

 

 

Even calgar more recently was discussable fake or not/ attributed to Ai by some people.

 

 

Again, I dont make this post as an evidence for this particular one, I just realise.. that if this one turns out to be fake.. its pretty much a first/benchmark of a new era.

Because in the past, any that where even worth discussing wether its real or fake turned out to be real every single time.  Maybe thats why I keep returning to this topic besides not caring that much about wether this one is or isnt fake. Its just that if it is fake... its quite a revolutionary moment in is it real or fake history ( Im trying to find the right words.. its waaay too dramatic now.)

 

One interesting note, when I was looking around to try to find the original leak pics... I naturally came across alot of digitally enhanced versions because people do that ( including me ) alot to aid in the discussion/speculation. I also came across someone using Ai enhancement, obviously in this case to make a joke ( its capped and resized because WEBPH is the biggest bane of the internet..sigh) :

 

 

But when people use Ai to even know what to eat today ( yes, apparently people do.) it wouldnt suprise me if people use it to enhance a blurry or pixelated picture they have.

This however doesnt work with something like miniatures, as the above image shows.)  and while its not an argument perse... its another.. sign of the times.

 

Because imagine we only got the one on the right ? ( after all, the one on the left already is a computer adjusted joke ) that one is so blatantly and obviously Ai it would be immediately disregarded.

 

Basically I just turned the topic into several others.. oops

 

 

 

[TheVoidDragon]

Looking at that's been said about this elsewhere, seen several say the bits are just taken from Khorne Bezerkers. Seen someone claim the original poster said it was AI days ago. Seen someone else say it's a 3d print file you can "literally get this model from", then claim it's a photoshop of a 3d print and he totally knows the guy who did the edit and the other guy who painted the model... 

 

All quite obviously lies, as no one just shows the proof as if that's some monumental task. I get the impression this is possibly real after all, if the most we've got against it is some relatively slight packaging discrepancies some of which might be down to the quality of the photo.

[TheMawr]

Bottomline

 

Its Groundbreaking if its fake

Its Heartbreaking if its real

 

[Rain]

I'll gladly take it if it's real. I want a Berzerker surgeon, and if they make the model they will make a datasheet. This guy looks goofy, but (a.) maybe it's just an odd angle; and (b.)As long as there's a datasheet, I can kitbash apothecary, HH, and Berzerker bits to make one of my own.

 

Edit: To be clear, it still looks fake to me, but I want to believe.

Edited Wednesday at 06:43 PM by Rain

[Son of Rawl]

It just looks incredibly disappointing if its real. But then, I remember they gave the Ok too Coteaz, Sang Guard, and the Custode Shield Captain. So who knows.

[Sabadin]

On one hand you don't want to believe this can be real. On the other hand *gestures broadly at the last Blood Angels releases*

[HeadlessCross]

45 minutes ago, Son of Rawl said:

It just looks incredibly disappointing if its real. But then, I remember they gave the Ok too Coteaz, Sang Guard, and the Custode Shield Captain. So who knows.

Sanguinary Guard are good, they're just not the same type of blinged out they were before, and that's not a bad thing. 

 

Not gonna defend the other two though. 

[Captain Coolpants]

A Berserker... Putting limbs back together? That doesn't make any sense. Somebody been sniffing too much warp dust 

[HeadlessCross]

1 hour ago, Captain Coolpants said:

A Berserker... Putting limbs back together? That doesn't make any sense. Somebody been sniffing too much warp dust 

What's next? You're gonna tell me a SHRIMP fried this rice?

[Wispy]

What if he's actually a surgeon who does surgery on the enemy.