Berserker Surgeon? Real or Fake.

[TheVoidDragon]

That image makes me pretty certain it's a fake.

 

because from what I can tell, it's literally the same miniature as on the box art. Highlighted the exact same, most obvious by the small marks on the tabard matching, and you can even very faintly make out that slight mark on the inside of the left helmet bunny ear on both. 

 

It either means it's a fake, or they happen to have the 3d printed prototype that was used to paint and photograph it in the first place, which seems very unlikely to me. 

Edited Monday at 07:07 PM by TheVoidDragon

[chapter master 454]

Yea, looks like that's the source of the model then. And without the potato cam to hide it...the paintwork is nothing close to GWs standards so yea...looks like a nice model someone made and decided to have a bit of a lark with it and to their credit did pretty well. Not perfect but good enough to get people going.

[Agramar_The_Luna_Wolf]

2 hours ago, Tastyfish said:

You may be right - someone (Xttz) over at Dakka zoomed in.

 

Not necessarily a 3D from a fan. I remember when this also happened with some official dwarves from GW. So, I believe it's not a definitive proof.

https://descansodelescriba.blogspot.com/2014/02/anillos-en-las-figuras-de-los-enanos.html

 

Anyway,it can be official. But if it is,it's disappointing at least.

 

Edited Monday at 07:51 PM by Agramar_The_Luna_Wolf

[TheVoidDragon]

There's also that the servo-arm while the same in the main areas, seems to have some discrepancies when it comes to detail. The pipe on the top doesn't have anything that's obviously the band around it, and the edge of the clamp looks to be lacking the ridges. 

Edited Monday at 07:56 PM by TheVoidDragon

[Tastyfish]

2 hours ago, TheMawr said:

 

 

More devils advocateness

Studio paintjobs sometimes have it too ( here visible on her back skirt and the collar on the right as well.

 

It does discredit my option C above, but it doesnt discredit option B.

 

to summarise option B ( if you dont want to read all my text )

 

-- first picture leak of accidental received box
-- second picture wip leak from the studio painter who painted the miniature on the box.

 

Often 'Eavy Metal painters are giving a 3D print of the original design, so that they can spend a bit more time painting it up rather than having to wait for a full plastic production model to be produced. Of course a variant of the 'could it be real and a 3D print' would be that the 3D file was stolen (might even be an unfinished one or one that was scrapped), but I think if we're that far down the rabbit hole we're back to faking the box again and a somewhat shaky concept of whether something is 'real' or not.

[Orange Knight]

The paint job is what gives it away as a fake, in my opinion.

The model being held up there is the same one that was on the cover art.

 

That is no "eavy metal" paintjob.

 

Edit: I've just seen that others have come to the same conclusion. Now I imagine some basement dwelling demi-human is having a laugh at everyone's expense.

Edited Monday at 08:46 PM by Orange Knight

[Jukkiz]

After reading all the ideas and arguments. 

I still cannot wrap my head around how bothced this would be for GW. Even for modern, "clean" GW it feels... Wrong, way too nice, nothing says it´s World Eaters specifically, more like half baked idea that you could swap helmet, arms and paint it differently to indicate different legion alltogether. 

Argument about 3D printing has been proven 50/50 too as old GWs models were leaked long ago and modern designs can beat what GW itself offers in many ways. If not, make your own, get a buddy who has experience etc. 

We´re still waiting confirmation from GW and what they have done with modern leaks, has been confirming them quite fast if they were real... 

[sarabando]

ive been told that it is infact a print, a 3d designer offers as a extra for people purchasing over a certain amount on their store. I dont have their name but will ask if i can get it/share it. 

[JeffJedi]

Wow I've missed a lot. I've been playing with ai for a couple of months now. i took the image and made it at a different angle and a version with different weapons and arms. 

 

I'm not going to post them to avoid confusion.

 

could i make up a model from scratch with ai?  Easily.

 

Edit: and if that's the guys's real finger.... yikes.

Edited 22 hours ago by JeffJedi
added stuff

[ZeroWolf]

12 minutes ago, JeffJedi said:

Wow I've missed a lot. I've been playing with ai for a couple of months now. i took the image and made it at a different angle and a version with different weapons and arms. 

 

I'm not going to post them to avoid confusion.

 

could i make up a model from scratch with ai?  Easily.

 

Edit: and if that's the guys's real finger.... yikes.

I was going to question what you meant till I realised you were talking about the miniatures visible hand 

 

Seems like whoever designed it took inspiration from the first assassins creed game where they had to take one of the fingers off to fit their signature weapon (in this guys case it's a little chainsaw!)

[JeffJedi]

honestly i meant the 'finger' of the guy holding the base. haha 

 

anyway here is a fake image, a total fake. this is 2 sentences  at most and an image to start with. by the way it's fake. fake fake. ai fake.

 

the khorne fisherman is a fake. an ai fake that i just made. it better not show up in a new thread tomorrow, lol.

 

removed image because... well it's fake.

 

Edited 22 hours ago by JeffJedi
just in case

[Indy Techwisp]

24 minutes ago, JeffJedi said:

"BASS FOR THE BASS GOD!"

"CARP FOR THE CARP THRONE"

 

I think someone AI Generating a Model like this would be easier to spot imo, but equally if someone took this cleaned up the background you could probably pass it off as a very elaborate kitbash.

[ZeroWolf]

I think someone a few pages ago summed it up best as if it's fake, someone has put in a stupid amount of work to realise this fake.

If its real, then its definitely not one of GWs best works by a long shot, basically another Corteaz situation.

[Indy Techwisp]

26 minutes ago, ZeroWolf said:

I think someone a few pages ago summed it up best as if it's fake, someone has put in a stupid amount of work to realise this fake.

If its real, then its definitely not one of GWs best works by a long shot, basically another Corteaz situation.

 

I think this is actually someone trying to pass off an existing 3D print from a 3rd party seller as a real mini.

Presumably that mini was inspired by the rumour engine (although the base of the medicae arm looks thicker, as though they couldn't do the 2 hydraulic tubes on the back as seperate parts).

[Orange Knight]

Whoever made this is clearly aware of the discussion surrounding it. It has been mentioned by several of the biggest 40k channels and in several of the biggest forums.

Someone intentionally trolled people, and it's why I referred to them as a demi-human basement dweller in my previous post.

[TheMawr]

2 hours ago, Indy Techwisp said:

 

I think this is actually someone trying to pass off an existing 3D print from a 3rd party seller as a real mini.

Presumably that mini was inspired by the rumour engine (although the base of the medicae arm looks thicker, as though they couldn't do the 2 hydraulic tubes on the back as seperate parts).

 

 

That theory is 100% not the case 

There is about 2 weeks between rumor engine and the first post of this topic ( I dont know how much longer the "leak" existed )

 

A 3rd party seeing the RE, sculpting this, putting it online for sale, someone buying it, printing it, painting it and then photoshop the fake box is not a realistic thing to happen in less than 2 weeks.

 

Someone doing it themselves in 2 weeks, thats maybe possible, but the whole 3rd party seller In-between bit ? No. 

 

Btw the tubes on the back look seperate to me, You see the same bluer gray of the background object in between the parts that are a more metallic gray.

[TheVoidDragon]

5 hours ago, sarabando said:

ive been told that it is infact a print, a 3d designer offers as a extra for people purchasing over a certain amount on their store. I dont have their name but will ask if i can get it/share it. 

 

Have seen several claims like this since the start, yet no one just provides the evidence by showing it. 

[Armchair Warlord]

As a random point to throw in regarding 'strata / build lines

 

If you look closely at a Forgeworld Saul Tarvitz model straight out the pack...... You'll find such build lines that made it from the 3d printed master onto the final casting.

 

This isn't out of the norm with silicone moulding. But with plastic injection - no chance.

[LostTemplar]

I looked at the model, and my opinion is that is not an official miniature. 

 

Its neatly done, but the pose is too static, I think, for an oficial miniature. I also think the bare arms look wierd.

 

For me the most tell-tale signs are:

 

1. The belt buckle looks too small

2. The way the chestpiece is done looks different from the regualr Khorne Berserkers

3. The helmet sits wierdly

 

For me, its a well done miniature conversion. 

 

[Evil Eye]

22 hours ago, Orange Knight said:

Now I imagine some basement dwelling demi-human is having a laugh at everyone's expense.

A well-earned laugh, I feel. He certainly did get us all talking! Well played, anonymous individual. Well played.

 

For me, the biggest clue this is a (possible) fake is the fact it's not absolutely plastered with annoyingly fiddly details that prolong painting times and make any attempt to kitbash the damn thing far more difficult than it should be. Particularly around the shoulders, which look like they could easily work with straight swaps of other Astartes arms; if this were a real mini he'd have some pipes delivering Old Spice directly to his armpits or something.

[TheMawr]

2 hours ago, Orange Knight said:

Whoever made this is clearly aware of the discussion surrounding it. It has been mentioned by several of the biggest 40k channels and in several of the biggest forums.

Someone intentionally trolled people, and it's why I referred to them as a demi-human basement dweller in my previous post.

 

To be fair, I think its well worth the discussion and analysis if this one is fake indeed.. its actually if it turns out to be real that it doesnt deserve all this attention it got XD  Because if fake its a rather unprecedented situation, but maybe the first of many more to come.

 

If its real its another sub-par miniature getting leaked, two things that have happened more this year. complain, embrace the datasheet and move on ;) I'd feel my time wasted on this topic much more wasted if this one turns out to be real, but thats just me  

[WrathOfTheLion]

6 hours ago, Armchair Warlord said:

As a random point to throw in regarding 'strata / build lines

 

If you look closely at a Forgeworld Saul Tarvitz model straight out the pack...... You'll find such build lines that made it from the 3d printed master onto the final casting.

 

This isn't out of the norm with silicone moulding. But with plastic injection - no chance.

A lot of times the models that are painted for promotions are 3d printed though, as it lets them work on it before the plastic molds are ready. This makes sense, as it would allow them to have the box art and all completed about right as the plastic becomes ready, significantly reducing the time it takes to get something produced and released.

[Lathe Biosas]

Do we know who originally posted this? Were they credible?

[HeadlessCross]

9 hours ago, Orange Knight said:

Someone intentionally trolled people, and it's why I referred to them as a demi-human basement dweller in my previous post.

Jeez, did they kick your dog as well?

[Dr. Clock]

I dunno y'all, it still doesn't pass the sniff test as genuine from me. 

 

At this point the unattributed nature of this is one of the main things suggesting the box is a forgery. That and the... restraint shown in the sculpt, which is very un-GW lol. Surely that chainblade hand would have an extra helping of gribbly added if this were real? That and the Tetsuo Iron Man cable-run flesh is conspicuously missing from this guy's Rambo arms. I know some dislike that whole situation, but it's certainly characteristic of the 40k Khorne offerings.  

 

When things have been leaked through mispackaging in the past the people who got the minis have been pretty upfront about it happening, and GW has copped to it shortly after and just shown the thing early. Heck, they even do that when photos of press materials are leaked.

 

It's still possible it's legit, but I am not holding my breath. I'm pretty convinced that the one in the guy's hand is the one on the box after looking at them side by side... So yeah it's definitely more impressive as a forgery than an actual GW leak, and it wouldn't surprise me to learn that the guy who made it actually didn't intend it to become the photo of the 'box art'.

 

Cheers,

 

The Good Doctor.