Ming the Merciless Posted November 25 Share Posted November 25 Suck it up, taste the pain, deal with it, it's real. Dammit. Pray to Khorne I'm wrong. phandaal, SvenIronhand, TheVoidDragon and 1 other 2 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/387055-berserker-surgeon-real-or-fake/page/8/#findComment-6144072 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indy Techwisp Posted November 25 Share Posted November 25 Had a thought actually. There's a possibility that this is an early test version of the Berserker Surgeon that someone's got their mitts on, painted up and photoshopped onto a WE Box, meaning while it's "real" the actual final version may look quite different. Marshal Loss 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/387055-berserker-surgeon-real-or-fake/page/8/#findComment-6144073 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Reinhard Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 This still keeps going, huh? ggergnayr, Marshal Loss, Magos Valkamar and 4 others 4 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/387055-berserker-surgeon-real-or-fake/page/8/#findComment-6144104 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jings Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 23 hours ago, TheMawr said: That theory is 100% not the case There is about 2 weeks between rumor engine and the first post of this topic ( I dont know how much longer the "leak" existed ) A 3rd party seeing the RE, sculpting this, putting it online for sale, someone buying it, printing it, painting it and then photoshop the fake box is not a realistic thing to happen in less than 2 weeks. Someone doing it themselves in 2 weeks, thats maybe possible, but the whole 3rd party seller In-between bit ? No. Btw the tubes on the back look seperate to me, You see the same bluer gray of the background object in between the parts that are a more metallic gray. It wouldn't exactly be difficult to make some alterations to existing CSM/WE STL files and make a digital kitbash if you have the time and skills to recreate a rumour engine model. From there, printing is a doddle and you can paint a mini to that level in a day easy. The only thing stopping it being a seller, really, is that no one has ID'd the STL. So I don't think that's likely. I reckon it's much more realistic that someone saw the rumour engine image, maybe had the thought of making a Berzerker-Surgeon already, was happy with the result then shooped up a box for it. LSM 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/387055-berserker-surgeon-real-or-fake/page/8/#findComment-6144127 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Shepherd Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 5 hours ago, Marshal Reinhard said: This still keeps going, huh? Bull for the bull good Lathe Biosas 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/387055-berserker-surgeon-real-or-fake/page/8/#findComment-6144142 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ammonius Posted November 26 Share Posted November 26 6 hours ago, Marshal Reinhard said: This still keeps going, huh? If you could see the reverse angle, you'd see the Energizer batteries nested in the model's power pack. Bonus: Energizer bunny on one hand and Khornate Berzerker "bunny ear helmets " on the other. Lathe Biosas and Domhnall 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/387055-berserker-surgeon-real-or-fake/page/8/#findComment-6144145 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurence Posted November 28 Share Posted November 28 Why would a Berzerker-Surgeon have a key tied to his belt? It's not a real GW release. Deus_Ex_Machina 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/387055-berserker-surgeon-real-or-fake/page/8/#findComment-6144437 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogger351 Posted November 28 Share Posted November 28 42 minutes ago, Laurence said: Why would a Berzerker-Surgeon have a key tied to his belt? It's not a real GW release. Prior to the Judiciar why would a marine carry a sand timer? skylerboodie and Lathe Biosas 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/387055-berserker-surgeon-real-or-fake/page/8/#findComment-6144450 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nephaston Posted November 28 Share Posted November 28 1 hour ago, Laurence said: Why would a Berzerker-Surgeon have a key tied to his belt? It's not a real GW release. Presumably to let 8bound out of their coffins where they soaked in the bloodletter marinade. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/387055-berserker-surgeon-real-or-fake/page/8/#findComment-6144455 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurence Posted November 28 Share Posted November 28 2 hours ago, Mogger351 said: Prior to the Judiciar why would a marine carry a sand timer? GW likes to stick to their 'design language', and it tends to be Inquisitors and their like that have the keys. No-one ever had a sand-timer before, so giving one to the Judiciar wasn't taking from an established theme. A GW model would have some Butcher's Nails, ready to be implanted, dangling from the waist. Deus_Ex_Machina 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/387055-berserker-surgeon-real-or-fake/page/8/#findComment-6144473 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogger351 Posted November 28 Share Posted November 28 13 minutes ago, Laurence said: GW likes to stick to their 'design language', and it tends to be Inquisitors and their like that have the keys. No-one ever had a sand-timer before, so giving one to the Judiciar wasn't taking from an established theme. A GW model would have some Butcher's Nails, ready to be implanted, dangling from the waist. Red butchers are locked into their armour, you might argue the surgeons patients need locking into restraints. There are 3 plastic Inquisitors that are on the market, none of them have a key. In fact the only minis I can think of with keys are chaplains. But I don't imagine they'd be trying to implant butchers nails mis battle, so that's an odd thing to carry. Short version: keys aren't common in any 40k range and for something to exist as a design language it has to be introduced somewhere. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/387055-berserker-surgeon-real-or-fake/page/8/#findComment-6144474 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaneOfTas Posted November 28 Share Posted November 28 3 hours ago, Laurence said: Why would a Berzerker-Surgeon have a key tied to his belt? It's not a real GW release. Why would a Bladeguard Ancient? Mogger351 and Lathe Biosas 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/387055-berserker-surgeon-real-or-fake/page/8/#findComment-6144475 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogger351 Posted November 28 Share Posted November 28 1 hour ago, ThaneOfTas said: Why would a Bladeguard Ancient? Ah yes that well known design dialogue that banners = keys. Forgot about this guy! phandaal, ThaneOfTas, Lathe Biosas and 1 other 1 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/387055-berserker-surgeon-real-or-fake/page/8/#findComment-6144483 Share on other sites More sharing options...
grailkeeper Posted November 28 Share Posted November 28 5 hours ago, Laurence said: Why would a Berzerker-Surgeon have a key tied to his belt? It's not a real GW release. He needs it to perform keyhole surgery. ZeroWolf, Aeternus, skylerboodie and 13 others 14 1 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/387055-berserker-surgeon-real-or-fake/page/8/#findComment-6144485 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doghouse Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 I mean this with genuine affection, I love the CSI/JFK conspiracy levels of investigation that people will to go to prove or disprove if an image is real. Lathe Biosas and TheMawr 1 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/387055-berserker-surgeon-real-or-fake/page/8/#findComment-6144488 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMawr Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 6 hours ago, Laurence said: Why would a Berzerker-Surgeon have a key tied to his belt? It's not a real GW release. While the key confuses me too, its actually one element that makes it more in favor for being real to me. Because the same argument would be even more True the other way around... why would a WE fan, who copies other almost exact elements including a rumor engine, randomly add a key wich is currently not part of the design language. There is not a single original element in there Except the key.. and as a GW product it could in the least be tied to new fluff. Almost all these "gw doesnt do X" kind of arguments are actually debunked by the WHU Khorne warband released this summer i keep posting here. ( There is also a farmers tool on one of those miniatures backside thats really out of place ) and... it could easily be the same sculptor imho. If those werent a thing, i would be more skeptical on those elements as well.. but they are an actual thing, GW has a sculptor who made those and does exactly those "gw would never" things. ( and as i pointed out, it might be the latest Deathguard character's sculptor as well, just coupled with a better execution, it really wouldnt suprise me .. there is a strong "everything can appear on the miniature once philosophy very uncommon for GW on those 3 kits ... ) But that doesnt take away the other strangeness. And there is still the paintjob issue ( though there too.. im not convinced that WHU warband is that different from this either.. including the strange choice of a too yellowish skin tone, and hardly shading musculature ) Its such a fascinating thing Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/387055-berserker-surgeon-real-or-fake/page/8/#findComment-6144490 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMawr Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 3 hours ago, ThaneOfTas said: Why would a Bladeguard Ancient? At least he also has a place for the key, the lock is on the necron arm XD Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/387055-berserker-surgeon-real-or-fake/page/8/#findComment-6144491 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggergnayr Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 8 hours ago, Laurence said: Why would a Berzerker-Surgeon have a key tied to his belt? It's not a real GW release. They have to lock their offices when they leave, otherwise the regular berserkers take all of their scalpels. Lathe Biosas, phandaal, TheMawr and 5 others 1 6 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/387055-berserker-surgeon-real-or-fake/page/8/#findComment-6144495 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Reinhard Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 The key is not part of heretic or khorne design language. But really shoddy print and paintjob trumps any other argument if you ask me Toxichobbit and DemonGSides 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/387055-berserker-surgeon-real-or-fake/page/8/#findComment-6144504 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeadlessCross Posted November 29 Share Posted November 29 18 hours ago, Mogger351 said: Ah yes that well known design dialogue that banners = keys. Forgot about this guy! Because banner taste better than key Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/387055-berserker-surgeon-real-or-fake/page/8/#findComment-6144538 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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