3.0: failed or not?

[TheTrans]

5 hours ago, No Foes Remain said:

Did any express any interest in playing 1.0 or was just 2.0 mentioned? And is that something that would be taken account for in future events?

 

I tell you what, I reckon if some one bucked up and ran a 1.0 event down in my area, it would go gang busters! 

[Brofist]

10 hours ago, Shard of Magnus said:

@Brofist Regarding your second bullet…any observations on differences in game time between this year and last?

I feel like my casual HH3 games are still taking slightly longer than in HH2 right now but haven’t played close attention. The first ~6 months was a much more significant impact due to all the changes, more so considering only going 4 turns.

 

I didn't ask about game length, but walking around it was clear games were taking much longer. I've stopped playing entirely, so I honestly don't know what's slowing things down in an edition people said things were more streamlined. I can say that a contributing factor is that the 3.0 ZM rules removed RPs. Love them or hate them, this meant 1500pts was more like 1250pts on the table. We stuck with the old points limit, but should have cut it down. Will do that for 2027.

 

9 hours ago, No Foes Remain said:

Did any express any interest in playing 1.0 or was just 2.0 mentioned? And is that something that would be taken account for in future events?

 

One person voted for 1.0.... and that person was me, lol. 2.0 was largely well liked in my community so I'm not really surprised.

 

More people want to see other game systems added into the narrative of our event, with a very big push for Epic/LI. So we'll be doing that instead.

[Stitch5000]

On 3/13/2026 at 2:17 PM, Razorblade said:

Now why on earth would I do that?

Indeed, why would you stop saying that? If you did, all of your other arguments would have no basis. Everything you are saying in built upon you thinking everyone else is a liar if they don't agree with you. 

On 3/13/2026 at 2:17 PM, Razorblade said:

It is very hard to believe that a company notorious for their leaks

Do you know where most GW leaks come from? I'll give you a tip... It isn't people  employed by GW. 

[Razorblade]

28 minutes ago, Stitch5000 said:

Indeed, why would you stop saying that? If you did, all of your other arguments would have no basis. Everything you are saying in built upon you thinking everyone else is a liar if they don't agree with you. 

Do you know where most GW leaks come from? I'll give you a tip... It isn't people  employed by GW. 

So given that you ignored my second question it is now fair to assume that these people do in fact not exist?

My argument, from the start is based on the text that is available for all of us to read. It is you who tries to dismiss all the very valid and easy to check criticism of said text with "trust me bro". Your like one of those conspiracy grifters only you peddle 3E instead of supplements. 

Edited Tuesday at 01:26 PM by Razorblade

[Irate Khornate]

Yeah....I don't know about y'all, but 265$ American for the new custodes set is way too expensive for my taste.

[Xenith]

=][= Lets stop with the back and forth and post dissection please :) Lets keep focus on the game itself and issues therein. =][=

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Thanks for the stats Brofist - what event was this for again? I agree that games are taking longer - I think this is due to the nonsensical [in the strictest term] weapon profile changes - it's made them hard to memorise (e.g. plasma isnt simply +1S and +1D across the board, 'twin' weapons are not simply 2x shots or rerolls anymore)

[Stitch5000]

1 hour ago, Razorblade said:

So given that you ignored my second question it is now fair to assume that these people do in fact not exist?

No, I'm absolutely not going to reveal them to all and sundry as I'm pretty sure they don't want to be exposed. I know for a fact that a number of them frequent the Warhammer 30k sub-reddit... Maybe ask in there any they will reveal themselves of their own volition? 

If you don't believe the game has playtesters and choose not to take what I have to say in bad faith, that's on you. 

[Darth_Kanade]

For me, 3e is more balanced, but at the cost of sacrificing a lot of flavor. Many special rules have been changed to +-1 modifiers. I really miss 2e, but some units and legion ROW in 2e are too OP and need of points balance. GW has always claimed that HH is a narrative-focused game, but so far, they haven't updated any campaign systems for 3e, which is really disappointing to me.

[Brofist]

11 hours ago, Xenith said:

Thanks for the stats Brofist - what event was this for again? I agree that games are taking longer - I think this is due to the nonsensical [in the strictest term] weapon profile changes - it's made them hard to memorise (e.g. plasma isnt simply +1S and +1D across the board, 'twin' weapons are not simply 2x shots or rerolls anymore)

 

It's for a three day long ZM narrative event- annually in Seattle, WA. I survey players before and after events, plus a touch point mid-year, which is why I'm able to share stats.

[Pacific81]

18 hours ago, Stitch5000 said:

No, I'm absolutely not going to reveal them to all and sundry as I'm pretty sure they don't want to be exposed. I know for a fact that a number of them frequent the Warhammer 30k sub-reddit... Maybe ask in there any they will reveal themselves of their own volition? 

If you don't believe the game has playtesters and choose not to take what I have to say in bad faith, that's on you. 

 

I guess this is a good example of how not listing your creatives, your artists, rule-writers, playtesters etc causes consternation within the community.

There is no other company within the industry that cuts off its creatives in that manner (GW themselves didn't used to), and while I appreciate its difficult for a mega-corp to keep any sort of personal touch, I personally find it distasteful. 

 

And it pushes me towards other games, where I *know* those companies have made an effort to produce a good ruleset, and have their names by it, and to try and engage with the community to improve it. I am sure the writers for this game would do the same, but are not permitted to (which is why they will no doubt eventually leave)

[sarabando]

Posted in wrong thread ignore. 

Edited 23 hours ago by sarabando

[Irate Khornate]

12 hours ago, Darth_Kanade said:

For me, 3e is more balanced, but at the cost of sacrificing a lot of flavor. Many special rules have been changed to +-1 modifiers. I really miss 2e, but some units and legion ROW in 2e are too OP and need of points balance. GW has always claimed that HH is a narrative-focused game, but so far, they haven't updated any campaign systems for 3e, which is really disappointing to me.

 

It wouldn't be the first time we've been gaslighted. Though gaslighted may not be the best word for their current actions.

[LameBeard]

8 hours ago, Pacific81 said:

 

I guess this is a good example of how not listing your creatives, your artists, rule-writers, playtesters etc causes consternation within the community.

There is no other company within the industry that cuts off its creatives in that manner (GW themselves didn't used to), and while I appreciate its difficult for a mega-corp to keep any sort of personal touch, I personally find it distasteful. 

 

And it pushes me towards other games, where I *know* those companies have made an effort to produce a good ruleset, and have their names by it, and to try and engage with the community to improve it. I am sure the writers for this game would do the same, but are not permitted to (which is why they will no doubt eventually leave)

I was at my mum’s house at the weekend, and almost all my teenage Warhammer was cleared out long ago, but there’s still a copy of “Realm of Chaos: Slaves to Darkness”. I was marvelling at the fact every piece of art has a tiny little logo, with a legend up front to show the artist. Those were the days …

 

 

[Razorblade]

12 hours ago, Pacific81 said:

(which is why they will no doubt eventually leave)

It's not like anyone else would want them tough.

[Pacific81]

8 hours ago, Razorblade said:

It's not like anyone else would want them tough.

My guess is that everyone around the 'Nottingham' belt of games companies know who is doing what, for the games designers at least, despite those guys not being credited. The likes of Mantic, Warlord etc are all full of ex-GW staff.

Sam Pearson, who did Warcry for example, and is now involved in work for the new Starcraft game for Archon Studios. James Hewitt (who did Adeptus Titanicus) has done board games for Mantic and the new Fallout Factions game for Modiphius.

 

The irony for me is that a lot of younger games developers will learn their craft with GW, then go on to make really well designed games for other companies that at only 10% of the amount of people will play..

[Razorblade]

2 hours ago, Pacific81 said:

My guess is that everyone around the 'Nottingham' belt of games companies know who is doing what, for the games designers at least, despite those guys not being credited. The likes of Mantic, Warlord etc are all full of ex-GW staff.

Sam Pearson, who did Warcry for example, and is now involved in work for the new Starcraft game for Archon Studios. James Hewitt (who did Adeptus Titanicus) has done board games for Mantic and the new Fallout Factions game for Modiphius.

 

The irony for me is that a lot of younger games developers will learn their craft with GW, then go on to make really well designed games for other companies that at only 10% of the amount of people will play..

The difference being that those games were actually good. Warcry in particular was really a breath of fresh air, I'm not surprised Pearson was coveted elsewhere. I'm not arguing that people don't want GW Writers they obviously do. Just saying no one in their right mind would hire the people responsible for this mess.

[Stitch5000]

11 hours ago, Razorblade said:

It's not like anyone else would want them tough.

Robin Cruddace now works for Warcradle for one.