Balance Dataslate - December 2025

[Joe]

Now available on WarCom.

[Indy Techwisp]

Are my eyes deceiving me or did they (somewhat) buff TSons by letting our Demons get Cabal of Sorcerers?

 

ETA:

Also new Assault Terminators datasheet.

Not entirely sure what's changed on it tho besides the model image.

Edited December 10, 2025 by Indy Techwisp

[Maschinenpriester]

Interesting. How are Retributors worth 120 points? Is there some value here I am not seeing? Havocs in compatison cost 125 pt, have T5 and 2 Wounds.

Edited December 10, 2025 by Maschinenpriester

[Indy Techwisp]

4 minutes ago, Maschinenpriester said:

Interesting. How are Retributors worth 120 points? Is there some value here I am not seeing? Havocs in compatison cost 125 pt, have T5 and 2 Wounds.

 

Paying the cost for 4 Heavy Meltas

[Indy Techwisp]

17 minutes ago, Indy Techwisp said:

Are my eyes deceiving me or did they (somewhat) buff TSons by letting our Demons get Cabal of Sorcerers?

 

Just checked the points, multiple units down in price as well (except Kairos and Lord of Change, which are up to match Daemons army).

[Rhavien]

25 minutes ago, Indy Techwisp said:

Are my eyes deceiving me or did they (somewhat) buff TSons by letting our Demons get Cabal of Sorcerers?

 

ETA:

Also new Assault Terminators datasheet.

Not entirely sure what's changed on it tho besides the model image.

As far as I could see Thunderhammer are now hitting on 3+ instead of 4+ and LCs got their attacks upped to 6 from 5.

[Mogger351]

28 minutes ago, Indy Techwisp said:

 

Paying the cost for 4 Heavy Meltas

The damage > survivability dynamic is out of whack as well, the 2w and t5 isn't as impressive or valuable as the unit/faction rules give.

[Indy Techwisp]

12 minutes ago, Rhavien said:

As far as I could see Thunderhammer are now hitting on 3+ instead of 4+ and LCs got their attacks upped to 6 from 5.

 

I see.

Wonder if the Deathwatch Terminators got their Thunder Hammers and Lightning Claws updated to match, or if that's something they need to wait until next year for...

[Lord Marshal]

My biggest takeaway from the article is that that I didn't realise how huge Corteaz is now compared to normal human sized models.

 

What the hell have they been feeding him since his Daemonhunter boxset days?

 

[Nexus Infit]

Funny how they list lots of factions, even those that were unchanged, but Agents of the Imperium doesn’t even get a mention. Game experience for them is in a healthy place?

[Orange Knight]

Ferren Areios also has rules now. And they are great rules. Odd that he's a legends unit.

[Lord Marshal]

9 minutes ago, Nexus Infit said:

Funny how they list lots of factions, even those that were unchanged, but Agents of the Imperium doesn’t even get a mention. Game experience for them is in a healthy place?

 

I just don't think GW wants to bother keeping up the act of pretending they're a 'real' faction.

 

[Orange Knight]

18 hours ago, Lord Marshal said:

 

I just don't think GW wants to bother keeping up the act of pretending they're a 'real' faction.

 

 

Imo Agents of the Imperiun should be split across existing factions.

 

-Ordo Malleus Inquisitors and themed units should be in the Grey Knights codex, as they were back in 5th.

 

-Ordo Hereticus agents and Inquisitors should be with the Sisters of Battle.

 

-Ordo Xenos should be part of the Deathwatch army.

 

The other Assasins and non Ordo specific agents should just be an option for all Imperium armies.

Edited December 11, 2025 by Orange Knight

[Emperor Ming]

2 minutes ago, Orange Knight said:

 

Imo Agents of the Imperiun should be split across existing factions.

 

Order Malleus Inquisitors and themed units should be in the Grey Knights faction, as they were back in 5th.

 

Order Hereticus agents and Inquisitors should be with the Sisters of Battle.

 

Ordo Xenos should be part of the Deathwatch army.

 

And the other Assasins and other agents should just be an option for all Imperium armies.

Exactly! then it would only take up a few pages and would be easier to provide updates

7 minutes ago, Lord Marshal said:

 

I just don't think GW wants to bother keeping up the act of pretending they're a 'real' faction.

 

Wonder f they will get a 11th dex or a pdf, like daemons

 

Pdf would prob be better

 

It might actually get an update

[Sir Clausel]

Not too happy about the BT nerfs but then again some marine units got buffs so probably evens out for me. 

Would have loved to see Crusaders get a points drop.

Got to try out new stuff! 

Better assault terminators is cool. Just a shame their new ability is still bad. Its better than before though.

Edited December 10, 2025 by Sir Clausel

[Mogger351]

Knight despoilers got a 2 gun tax applied, so now has the wraithknight problem

[NTaW]

That teeny points adjustment for Knights lets me run a 6th Armiger instead of allying in an Assassin.

 

I'm not sure it's the tactical choice per se, but I'll be happy to run a one-Codex army.

[jaxom]

2 hours ago, Orange Knight said:

Ferren Areios also has rules now. And they are great rules. Odd that he's a legends unit.

Definitely unusual. I’m also getting real envious of Special Character/Epic Heroes for named Chapters.

[irlLordy]

The Agents situation and lack of updates is very frustrating. GW have never said that they consider them to be an "ally-in" only army that would only be updated in the context of other armies. In fact they even separated out the points for IA and allied units so that they could be treated differently in different contexts. So we're left guessing as to why they aren't even trying to balance them.

 

Influencers like goonhammer or Art of War which gloss over the lack of updates, and just shrug and say they're not a real faction are extremely annoying too. The IA codex is on sale for the same price as any other factions, and it deserves the same level of support. Influencers just waving it off only encourages GW to continue on with the lack of support, if there was similar levels of noise as say the Deathwatch removal, GW might actually do something about it.

[Jscarlos18]

The Carnifexes got cheaper, but no other changes for Tyranids. Looking at the current model and their sprue, I hope 11th sees them get a refresh to be on the same quality level as the Screamer-Killer.

[Mechanicus Tech-Support]

Woo Admech points nerf! Thank the omnissiah 

[AvePicante]

Votann continue to eat good this year, I'm happy with the points nerf!

[VanDutch]

I was hoping the Death Company jump captain would get a sneaky update to include the hammer and shield, given the new jump captain model. Ah well.

[Indy Techwisp]

4 minutes ago, VanDutch said:

I was hoping the Death Company jump captain would get a sneaky update to include the hammer and shield, given the new jump captain model. Ah well.

 

The Deathwatch Terminators didn't get the Assault Terminator stat updates, so I feel this may have been rushed a little.

[Dark Shepherd]

5 hours ago, Lord Marshal said:

 

I just don't think GW wants to bother keeping up the act of pretending they're a 'real' faction.

 

For many reasons they need to be a free pdf codex