New Chaos Models

[Indy Techwisp]

Just now, phandaal said:

 

That whole exchange was even more amusing because Primaris Chaos Space Marines are explicitly a thing already, according to recent lore.

 

The Marines who fell to the Murder Curse must have had a Redemptor or two among their number, yeah?

 

All that arguing about how something cannot be, when GW themselves have already made it happen. 

 

Modern CSM with Primaris equipment certainly exist, it's just that due to the equipment used they'd likely be run on the tabletop using the normal LSM rules, same as for modern "Renegade-but-not-Chaos" Marines.

[Ahzek451]

20 minutes ago, Indy Techwisp said:

 

That would be more of an insult than TSons not getting a unique Dred at all.

In this case it will be a monster sized Tzaangor Giant 

[Indy Techwisp]

1 minute ago, Ahzek451 said:

In this case it will be a monster sized Tzaangor Giant 

 

That would make Disciples of Tzeentch happy at least.

[Mogger351]

1 hour ago, Indy Techwisp said:

 

That would make Disciples of Tzeentch happy at least.

Probably because it'd be a release for them with lazy 40k import rules a month later.

[phandaal]

1 hour ago, Indy Techwisp said:

 

Modern CSM with Primaris equipment certainly exist, it's just that due to the equipment used they'd likely be run on the tabletop using the normal LSM rules, same as for modern "Renegade-but-not-Chaos" Marines.

 

Primaris Marines affected by the Murder-Curse are explicitly mutated/warped into Chaos Space Marines, not Renegades.

[Robbienw]

2 hours ago, phandaal said:

 

That whole exchange was great because Primaris Chaos Space Marines are explicitly a thing already, according to recent lore.

 

The Marines who fell to the Murder Curse must have had a Redemptor or two among their number, yeah?

 

All that arguing about how something cannot be, when GW themselves have already made it happen. 

 

Haha, that's funny.  So I'm just asking for something that definitively exists in modern lore then.

 

From googling, the murder curse is in the Arks of Omen books, can't say I have read any of those.  Thanks for bringing it to our attention.

[Indy Techwisp]

1 hour ago, phandaal said:

Primaris Marines affected by the Murder-Curse are explicitly mutated/warped into Chaos Space Marines, not Renegades.

 

I am aware of that, hence why I had CSM and Renegade mentioned separately.

 

The Murder-Curse is kind of an edge case tho, considering it managed to turn not just Marines and Guard but also Sisters of Battle directly into Khorne Worshippers.

[Evil Eye]

I think if we were to get a new Chaos Dreadnought of equivalent size to the Contemptor or Leviathan, it would be good if it was designed to look like it was derived from the Contemptor (or Leviathan), using a lot of parts in common whilst other components were replaced, either for function, ritual or because original replacements are just unobtainable. Ideally it would be different enough to look distinctive (not just a Contemptor/Leviathan with spikes) but not so different that its ancestry is unrecognizable.

 

I'd say World Eaters, Emperor's Children and Thousand Sons would benefit from Contemptor derivatives whilst Death Guard could have a Leviathan descendent. World Eaters could have a sort of dark counterpart to that Blood Angels jump-Contemptor (I forget the name), with nasty close combat fists and a short-range jump pack. Emperor's Children get a sonic Dreadnought, no surprises there. Thousand Sons could either have an Osiron style psychic Dreadnought or alternatively a "Rubric Dreadnought"- armed with inferno bolt weapons, and with the spirit of a particularly angry Rubricae in its sarcophagus, it would be slow but very difficult to kill, just like its smaller brethren. Speaking of, the Death Guard could get a Leviathan descendent with hideous radiological, chemical and biological weaponry, and shrouded in a miasma of fumes billowing from its engines.

[Borbarad]

7 hours ago, Evil Eye said:

I think if we were to get a new Chaos Dreadnought of equivalent size to the Contemptor or Leviathan, it would be good if it was designed to look like it was derived from the Contemptor (or Leviathan), using a lot of parts in common whilst other components were replaced, either for function, ritual or because original replacements are just unobtainable. Ideally it would be different enough to look distinctive (not just a Contemptor/Leviathan with spikes) but not so different that its ancestry is unrecognizable.

 

Completely agree here. I really do hope at some point in the future, the Dino-bots will be relegated to an eventual Dark AdMech codex and we can enjoy some Heresy derived designs.

[Tastyfish]

World Eaters already have a massive stable of Daemon engines to port over from old epic. Feels a bit of a waste (and off-brand) for these Khorne worshippers to be maintaining the classic fighting life-support machine dreadnaughts, when instead they could be grinding over the battlefield with their Doomblasters, Tower of Skulls, Cauldrons of Blood and Brass Scorpions.

 

Filling out the range between a Jugganaut and a Lord of Skulls as far as the brass forged daemons go, whilst also adding a ton of firepower to World Eater armies.

[sitnam]

On 12/18/2025 at 1:45 AM, Borbarad said:

 

Completely agree here. I really do hope at some point in the future, the Dino-bots will be relegated to an eventual Dark AdMech codex and we can enjoy some Heresy derived designs.

I'd rather that not be the case. Not everything Chaos has needs to be a rendition of some Heresy era design, with spikes. It's stupid enough they retconned several Daemon engines to originate from the Heresy.

[Mogger351]

2 hours ago, sitnam said:

I'd rather that not be the case. Not everything Chaos has needs to be a rendition of some Heresy era design, with spikes. It's stupid enough they retconned several Daemon engines to originate from the Heresy.

Half in, half out with this one - if we're leaning on chaos ranges needing daemonic stuff they need to fart out another dozen or so kits regardless. But as loyalist marines move away from firstborn kits and tech, having the chaos marines using "the stuff they no longer have" becomes more and more valid in my eyes. There's also the conversation if renegades need splitting from heretics to some degree to encompass the crossover and less chaos'd stuff.

[Ahzek451]

1 hour ago, Mogger351 said:

Half in, half out with this one - if we're leaning on chaos ranges needing daemonic stuff they need to fart out another dozen or so kits regardless. But as loyalist marines move away from firstborn kits and tech, having the chaos marines using "the stuff they no longer have" becomes more and more valid in my eyes. There's also the conversation if renegades need splitting from heretics to some degree to encompass the crossover and less chaos'd stuff.

Indeed. I'm fine with the legions having heresy-era origins, why not? It makes sense. But its like that meme "why not both?". There's plenty of room for new toys too. 

But I agree on the thought on renegades. I don't feel like this is something GW would do these days, but it would be cool to see a special renegades Army list where GW would select a handful of units to share. 

Edit:
And honestly, a good business move, would help to sell more existing kits. Remember when chaos knights existed without the new models and GW just slapped some icons and spikes on the regular knights? Well....imagine some primaris vehicles with a few icons and some daemon engines. Mind, its a limited list of shared units, you don't get access to the whole enchilada for both sides. The cost of dipping your toes in both. 

Edited December 19, 2025 by Ahzek451

[sitnam]

This might depend on your definition of renegades, but when I think of "renegades" as opposed to "heretics", that's a fairly inconsequential group. Groups like the Ashen Claws, old Soul Drinkers (who are dead) and I guess Relictors? Do we really need a army list for what can be pretty easily supported by existing Chaos and/or imperial ranges?

 

This is assuming we arent talking about renegades such as the Red Corsairs, Scourge, Purge, etc. Since those are definitely Chaos, I thought "heretics" represented them. 

Edited December 19, 2025 by sitnam

[The Praetorian of Inwit]

Could any of the unsolved rumour engines be for this new Defiler? 

[TheMawr]

4 minutes ago, The Praetorian of Inwit said:

Could any of the unsolved rumour engines be for this new Defiler? 

 

perhaps this one ( though I dont really see why or what... its however a general problem with this one.. seems like a slavers thing with all the cuffs, but the layout doesnt quite fit.)

 

The rest all showcase infantry scale/size elements imho.

[gaurdian31]

1 hour ago, TheMawr said:

 

perhaps this one ( though I dont really see why or what... its however a general problem with this one.. seems like a slavers thing with all the cuffs, but the layout doesnt quite fit.)

 

The rest all showcase infantry scale/size elements imho.

Those metal loops are hand holds for Khorne Berzerkers on the Slaugherfiend variant of Defiler. Got be that and not my wishful thinking.

[Jukkiz]

shackles look most like ones on WE models, but cleaner. 

shape is there, spikes not. Hard to say, could also be necromunda related, inquisition too hmmmm

[SalamandersBro]

Fabius Bile has Alpha Primus's Gene Seed. I wonder If we'll get a cool model of that or his special humans.

[Karhedron]

14 minutes ago, SalamandersBro said:

Fabius Bile has Alpha Primus's Gene Seed. I wonder If we'll get a cool model of that or his special humans.

 

This one puzzled me. We know that Bile had access to genetic material of most (maybe all) Primarchs as he cloned several of them. I don't understand what he could from Alpha Primus geneseed that he would not already have access to in one form or another.

[Deus_Ex_Machina]

On 12/17/2025 at 9:17 PM, Ahzek451 said:

In this case it will be a monster sized Tzaangor Giant 

And it will have a single eye with which it will fire psychic sun beams. It´s name shall be....RAsputin!

[SalamandersBro]

7 hours ago, Karhedron said:

 

This one puzzled me. We know that Bile had access to genetic material of most (maybe all) Primarchs as he cloned several of them. I don't understand what he could from Alpha Primus geneseed that he would not already have access to in one form or another.

His is something new? Only thing I can think of. He has primaris stuff about him that Primarchs don't?  I'm not sure either.

 

[Mogger351]

36 minutes ago, SalamandersBro said:

His is something new? Only thing I can think of. He has primaris stuff about him that Primarchs don't?  I'm not sure either.

 

Isn't it sort of suggested that Primus was both created to be a psyker though Cawls work? Which is quite the thing to graft into someone. I also got the impression he might be a blend of all geneseed, a perfect 21/20 situation.

[Dark Shepherd]

9 hours ago, Karhedron said:

 

This one puzzled me. We know that Bile had access to genetic material of most (maybe all) Primarchs as he cloned several of them. I don't understand what he could from Alpha Primus geneseed that he would not already have access to in one form or another.

Iron Warriors stuck with a load of looted first born geneseed :)

[Borbarad]

On 12/19/2025 at 8:37 PM, sitnam said:

This might depend on your definition of renegades, but when I think of "renegades" as opposed to "heretics", that's a fairly inconsequential group.

 

A 'renegades' codex would have been a way to keep firstborn marines in the game; surely there must have been a few in the span of 10'000 years that turned renegade without fully submitting to chaos. Might have also been a better way to represent the covert and resourceful Alpha Legion, as opposed to daemons, spikes and mutations.