40k New Huron Blackheart

[Wispy]

they announced this on Christmas Day because they know Chaos fans are shut-ins with nothing better going on

[Mogger351]

I feel for the majority of people it's the mouth they're most bothered by on the head, lower jaw? I don't see a problem given the angle, you can basically draw a straight line down from the crown to the edge of the jawline, with the ear extending behind, which is true of most people with a heavy jawline. The paintjob is overdoing the lip and gum I think though.

[Nephaston]

34 minutes ago, Scribe said:

 

That looks...massive? Should PA really being that freaking big? I mean scale creep just seems out of control, especially considering its all CAD now...

 

He really isn't that big, his halo adds height, the cape adds volume, but overall he's not much bigger bodily. 

[grailkeeper]

He now has the jawline of a GB news presenter.

 

[Corswain]

He's..... fine..

Kinda looks like he's dribbling. 

 

I think GW would have better reception with some of these models if they were just 1 for 1 replications of the old models and poses with modern sculpting tech.

[Joe]

45 minutes ago, Scribe said:

That looks...massive? Should PA really being that freaking big? I mean scale creep just seems out of control, especially considering its all CAD now...

 

Scale has always been a quirky one in the setting. Abaddon's described as too large to fit into power armour in a few places, yet fits comfortably into a suit during ADBs Black Legion novels. Huron's at least been described as being massive by comparison to other Space Marines, and moreso since his injuries.

[Evil Eye]

Sorry to keep posting observations on this thing from my friends but this was pointed out to me and it's completely ruined it for me; the pose is basically the Emperor's Champion but mirrored.

It's not 100%, of course, but close enough to exacerbate the already generic feel of the pose.

[DeadFingers]

Noticed that his pals are also visible in the video, without the extra clutter of the picture in the article. Still blurry though, but at least there'a a bit more of their silhouette visible.

 

 

 

Heard there's supposed to be a proper preview show halfway through January, can anyone confirm? My google-fu is failing me.

 

If there is a preview in about 3 weeks, hopefully we'll get to see these lads then. 

[Lord Marshal]

I will say that I think the trailer angles do a better job of selling that half his face is just straight-up gone.

 

[Nephaston]

9 minutes ago, Evil Eye said:

Sorry to keep posting observations on this thing from my friends but this was pointed out to me and it's completely ruined it for me; the pose is basically the Emperor's Champion but mirrored.

It's not 100%, of course, but close enough to exacerbate the already generic feel of the pose.

 

It's a good pose.

 

If anything it's also because there are only so many poses that look good and are stable miniatures, and leader waving their stick in front of them is truly evergreen.

 

[Castellan Wulfrik]

I've been sitting on a small Red Corsair force for years waiting for a new Huron, I've been wanting to do a full Red Corsair army since the old Imperial Armour Badab War books. So I'm not exaggerating when I say this is a disappointment over a decade and half in the making for me. Waiting this long to just get the most generic mid Chaos character I've seen in ages, he somehow appears both bland and overwrought at the same time. My disappointment is immeasurable and my Christmas is ruined. Jokes aside, I am absolutely gutted. I wanted the sundered armour, a face that inspired dread and loyalty, the regal yet twisted pose of a corrupted king; instead I got knee flairs on a 90's cartoon villain. 

[mel_danes]

2 hours ago, Evil Eye said:

I actually reckon it might be easier to transplant new legs from a bigger, more modern CSM onto the OG miniature than to make this one look right. Might be worth picking up a resin "reproduction" just so you don't end up ruining an original metal one if it goes wrong (and also resin is easier to cut up) but still.

 

And yeah, honestly there's all manner of poses they could have drawn from if they didn't want to just upscale the old miniature. This one for instance:

(Side note, does anyone know who drew/painted this?)

The rendering style, proportions, and pose all point to David Gallagher.

I'm not in front of my art library, I'd look in his book. It's 90% his work.

[Castellan Wulfrik]

4 minutes ago, Nephaston said:

 

It's a good pose.

 

If anything it's also because there are only so many poses that look good and are stable miniatures, and leader waving their stick in front of them is truly evergreen.

 

Huron is the ruler of an empire and one of the largest fleets in the galaxy, he inspired countless others to follow him into damnation, he's not the type of clown to go waving his axe in front of his minions whilst standing on a rock and cackling like Skeletor. It may be a good pose generally, but it is not a fitting pose for him. 

[gideon stargreave]

If only he was mirrored I could convert him into this guy (mirrored image)

[Nephaston]

8 minutes ago, Castellan Wulfrik said:

Huron is the ruler of an empire and one of the largest fleets in the galaxy, he inspired countless others to follow him into damnation, he's not the type of clown to go waving his axe in front of his minions whilst standing on a rock and cackling like Skeletor. It may be a good pose generally, but it is not a fitting pose for him. 

Huron is also a space marine and thus prone to go on a battlefield make a dramatic speech or declaration, and point his weapon at the nearest foe in challenge, instead of sitting in his throne room plotting how to expand his domain or managing his resources. 

 

Also one of the few artworks depicting him is waving one of his weapons in front of him as if to seize whatever he is looking at.

[Deus_Ex_Machina]

1 hour ago, Nephaston said:

 

He really isn't that big, his halo adds height, the cape adds volume, but overall he's not much bigger bodily. 

He is dressed in red like Santa. Model a little cap for his familiar and he is ready to distribute the gifts of Chaos.

[DemonGSides]

2 hours ago, Scribe said:

 

That looks...massive? Should PA really being that freaking big? I mean scale creep just seems out of control, especially considering its all CAD now...

 

Minicompare is straight up bad at comparing anything that hasn't actually released.  They don't talk about their updates, but for a long time they had Mephiston as gigantic (There was a whole back and forth a few of us had during this years annual painting competition about points values due to size and Minicompare had a few things just wildly out of actual scale), and it's quite often that new things are just straight up wrong, especially considering they only use promotional material.

I get the usefulness of Minicompare, especially for stuff that's been around for a while, but it should always be taken with a grain of salt for anything modern.

[MoriyaSchism]

1 hour ago, Lord Marshal said:

I will say that I think the trailer angles do a better job of selling that half his face is just straight-up gone.

 

Still looks like a cyber Ogryn. 

[grailkeeper]

The video has 175k views in only a few hours, on Christmas day. Wow!

 

The voice acting is good in it. The introduction of the more mechanical aspects to the voice as he starts talking about being a traitor echoes the character's own development. That's a good piece of sound design. Hat tip to whoever whose work that is.

[son of the forest]

1 hour ago, DeadFingers said:

Noticed that his pals are also visible in the video, without the extra clutter of the picture in the article. Still blurry though, but at least there'a a bit more of their silhouette visible.

 

 

 

Heard there's supposed to be a proper preview show halfway through January, can anyone confirm? My google-fu is failing me.

 

If there is a preview in about 3 weeks, hopefully we'll get to see these lads then. 

The one with 'tentacles' could be Valthex!

[roryokane]

6 hours ago, Ming the Merciless said:

Regarding his pals, here's hoping the right silhouette is related to the servo arm claw rumour engine (dear gods please prove the berzerker surgeon to be fake).

Arminius Valthex could always get a new model?

Edited Thursday at 11:52 PM by roryokane

[GryphonnePromethean]

Without an emphasis on the Flamethrower Claw he ends up too close to generic CSM or Word Bearer territory. 

I'll also offer that this is part of why they shouldn't sculpt *every single model* as if they were a dynamic pose hero unit. This guy is supposed to be special but he isn't because 70% of the modern line looks like a captain. 

That said, this is going to look perfect with a flaming skull in the claw and some OSL.  

[Nephaston]

36 minutes ago, DemonGSides said:

 

Minicompare is straight up bad at comparing anything that hasn't actually released.  They don't talk about their updates, but for a long time they had Mephiston as gigantic (There was a whole back and forth a few of us had during this years annual painting competition about points values due to size and Minicompare had a few things just wildly out of actual scale), and it's quite often that new things are just straight up wrong, especially considering they only use promotional material.

I get the usefulness of Minicompare, especially for stuff that's been around for a while, but it should always be taken with a grain of salt for anything modern.

To be fair it is a solo project, and there is a discord to give direct feedback, and from helping out there I can say getting good pictures and measurements is hell if you don't own the mini or have a proper way to photograph them. So the promotional material is usually the best we can get.

 

Also Huron should be accurate as he is on a 50mm (you can tell by the way it is slimmer than abaddons 60mm* but way wider than a 40mm) so we can be sure in this case

 

*60mm bases are actually 64mm wide, took Kukulza a handful of days too fix every instance of those being treated like actual 60mm

[Laurence]

4 hours ago, Evil Eye said:

I actually reckon it might be easier to transplant new legs from a bigger, more modern CSM onto the OG miniature than to make this one look right. Might be worth picking up a resin "reproduction" just so you don't end up ruining an original metal one if it goes wrong (and also resin is easier to cut up) but still.

 

And yeah, honestly there's all manner of poses they could have drawn from if they didn't want to just upscale the old miniature. This one for instance:

(Side note, does anyone know who drew/painted this?)

That's a Dave Gallagher piece.  https://www.instagram.com/david.gallagher.art/

[Evil Eye]

2 minutes ago, Laurence said:

That's a Dave Gallagher piece.  https://www.instagram.com/david.gallagher.art/

Thanks- thought it was one of his, but wasn't quite sure.