Maelstrom: Lair of the Tyrant

[Mogger351]

2 minutes ago, ZeroWolf said:

They could have some extra time if 11th comes out in July like AoS/HH did

It might come out in July but they'll want eyes on the new edition from beginning of June onwards, I can't imagine they'll want new products dropping right before otherwise.

[Nephaston]

Let this be the Year of the Command Squad. A Command Squad for every faction, every subfaction even! A hundred gorillion banners, advisors, retinues, hangers-on, and hired guns!

 

[TheMawr]

1 hour ago, torcathmk2 said:

New Vyper?
 

 

If it wasn't for the rumors of a new vyper I would have said that it's a starweaver/voidweaver upgrade sprue vehicle and GW finally realised "you know what, bespoke vehicles in a soup codex is maybe kind of weird and unnecessary."

But it's probably a new vyper following the starweaver base design, but not with transport options ( considering the falcon in the shots )

[HeadlessCross]

3 hours ago, nodnol88 said:

As someone already said, the article implies plural presumed-dead characters are returning. 
 

“…across the run-in books, there will be lots of characters you’ll know. Others will be entirely new. There may be some you thought long dead…”

 

I know it’s nitpicking semantics and it’s ambiguous enough that it may relate to one character, but who else could it be?

 

Yarrick is almost a given; I think all the short fiction releases from Grotmas undoubtedly relate to upcoming releases, but I don’t think it hinted at any other characters presumed dead. 

Most of the missing but inevitable Primarchs are not presumed dead, except maybe Dorn but I can’t see him returning until after a lot more of his brothers have been released. 
 

Generally though, the leaks look promising. I like the concept of different books for different war zones. It broadens the scope and allows them to shine a spot light on different areas of the galaxy without shoehorning characters into a loosely connected story (Arks of Omen). It also allows them to do follow ups down the years that instantly gives context to the conflict it references (500 World 2, 3, 4 etc, each with a different antagonist). 

Obviously it'll be Tycho. 

[TheVoidDragon]

4 hours ago, nodnol88 said:

“…across the run-in books, there will be lots of characters you’ll know. Others will be entirely new. There may be some you thought long dead…”

 

I know it’s nitpicking semantics and it’s ambiguous enough that it may relate to one character, but who else could it be?

 

 

 

It's obvious that after the whole "More Ultramarines....!" stuff recently, it'll be the return of Sevastus Acheran, he's been gone for a whole 2 months and that's just far too long to be without a named ultramarine character!

[Dark Shepherd]

1 hour ago, TheVoidDragon said:

 

It's obvious that after the whole "More Ultramarines....!" stuff recently, it'll be the return of Sevastus Acheran, he's been gone for a whole 2 months and that's just far too long to be without a named ultramarine character!

Sgt Chronos? They only need to release the top half of the model

[Captain Idaho]

11 minutes ago, Dark Shepherd said:

Sgt Chronos? They only need to release the top half of the model

 

It'll be the only Ultramarines power armoured Primaris without flanges on his knees...

Edited December 30, 2025 by Captain Idaho

[Zoatibix]

Personally, I would have preferred Drukhari getting back their recently dropped units over stuff for another splinter faction.

 

I understand it probably doesn’t work that way but it still annoys me.

 

 

[Ripper.McGuirl]

2 minutes ago, Zoatibix said:

Personally, I would have preferred Drukhari getting back their recently dropped units over stuff for another splinter faction.

 

I understand it probably doesn’t work that way but it still annoys me.

 

 

I WANT BOTH

Huzzah! More corsairs!

also:

Bring back the court, grotesques, and beasts!

[DeadFingers]

10 minutes ago, Zoatibix said:

Personally, I would have preferred Drukhari getting back their recently dropped units over stuff for another splinter faction.

 

I understand it probably doesn’t work that way but it still annoys me.

Good news, Dark Eldar refresh is also rumoured for next edition.

[Larkhainan]

5 hours ago, Nephaston said:

Let this be the Year of the Command Squad. A Command Squad for every faction, every subfaction even! A hundred gorillion banners, advisors, retinues, hangers-on, and hired guns!

 

I would seriously love this

Farseer Command squad! Chaos lord retinue command squad! Company Heroes but they're back with MORE BANNERS!

[Evil Eye]

1 hour ago, DeadFingers said:

Good news, Dark Eldar refresh is also rumoured for next edition.

A range refresh seems kind of odd; there's not a single Dark Eldar kit actually in production that needs refreshing/replacing*. A range expansion to bring back all the stuff that was in resin and is now no longer available, absolutely, but the core plastic kits of the faction are fine. It's not like with the Tyranid refresh where the Gaunts dated back to third edition.

 

*With the possible exception of Lelith, because good lord that is the worst downgrade to a model this side of Coteaz, but realistically the chances of them redoing her this soon are microscopic.

[Joe]

By the time 11E ends (2029), Kabalites would be nineteen years old; just a few years shy of Hormagaunts / Termagants at twenty-two in 2023. I could see it happening to be honest.

Edited December 31, 2025 by Joe
A date.

[01RTB01]

19 minutes ago, Evil Eye said:

A range refresh seems kind of odd; there's not a single Dark Eldar kit actually in production that needs refreshing/replacing*. A range expansion to bring back all the stuff that was in resin and is now no longer available, absolutely, but the core plastic kits of the faction are fine. It's not like with the Tyranid refresh where the Gaunts dated back to third edition.

 

*With the possible exception of Lelith, because good lord that is the worst downgrade to a model this side of Coteaz, but realistically the chances of them redoing her this soon are microscopic.

The dark eldar range is older than we'd think and probably now the oldest core range.

 

It's their time. Alas I fear they won't be as convertible or kitbashable. The warriors, wyches, bikes, Raider, ravager and skyboard types are all now quite old.

[TheMawr]

8 hours ago, divad8 said:

 

Nope, they're different models.

 

Yeah when seeing the pictures on a bigger screen that seems much more likely, the poses seemed very familiar and I couldn't clearly see the wings, but the wings seem very different on closer inspection, when trying to look past the stripe pattern they almost look certain moth wing inspired ( overall shape and being slightly further attached from the back.) 

 

So happy they have a sword and pistol built, optimal or not in 40k gameplay, its my favorite look and was lacking in the jump pack department. ( just for fun im trying to make an "swords and pistols" detachment for Aeldari.. but a little bit off topic)

[TheMawr]

10 minutes ago, 01RTB01 said:

The dark eldar range is older than we'd think and probably now the oldest core range.

 

It's their time. Alas I fear they won't be as convertible or kitbashable. The warriors, wyches, bikes, Raider, ravager and skyboard types are all now quite old.

 

There is more than just mistaking personal taste/opinion for fact as well.

Stores with limited shelf space are less likely to stock over a decade old kits, meaning dark eldar get even less exposure and thus less new fans.. wich is just one element of a bigger thing.

It's a nonsensical thing at one side, I regularly see people on reddit with a "im new to 40k and really loved the dark eldar but heard their range is old so I went for eldar" 

It is silly to think that way, because if you are new, the models are definitely new to you, and you love them, so it's a non issue.. but consumer psychology often works like that, on the other hand old fans have everything already so don't buy anything new creating a situation where an army has no new and no old "consumers" wich is not a situation a fan would want the army to be in. 

 

Wether you like the current models or not is void, if you like the army you'd want the army to stay, and for that there simply has to be a time for things to be refreshed, because we are talking about a consumer products that needs its key element : consumers.

 

Luckily we don't live in an age yet where a refresh deletes your existing collection ( apart from spacemarines.... but that's another story ) and GW won't come to your house to delete the drukhari you have, so new models is not a loss.

 

That's not even talking about what will likely happen .. when guardians got updated they also got storm guardians in the kit as modern kits simply have a lot more plastic, and the other comparable battlelines ( corsairs, with a stretch I'd say Battlesisters and maybe Skitarii) all have this second build.

 

So a kabalite refresh probably means trueborn returning and a wyches refresh probably means blood brides returning. For new players or those that like to they are dual kits, for players happy with the old wyches and kabalites, you now have bespoke different blood brides and trueborn.

 

People always point to the ork boyz when there is talk about battleline refreshes .. but they are the only ones of the 10+ battleline refreshes threated like that, they are also very obviously a different situation.

I really don't know why the thought of updates to these kits seems to offend people so much.

 

Personally I agree almost everything aged well, and i even think it would be a waste to replace most of it, just not wyches, they aged horribly ( both per model and as a kit ) and where never that great anatomically, and not in a "but they are not humans" way. But there is much more to things than the personal side. ( unless ofcourse you are someone who strongly feels the world turns around you, then indeed nothing but your opinion matters : p  )

 

@01RTB01 while I say "you" in this post a lot I mean "you" in general not you specifically ofcourse, I don't know if thats clear :) 

 

/rant over

 

[TheMawr]

Boole dropped another cryptic rumor today btw, there should be at least one more Aeldari epic hero in this EoE campaign ( others where epic hero for orks and tyranids.. latter one probably Red Terror also rumored by valrak )

 

Karandras is ofcourse a very likely candidate, though I wonder if it could be one of the new ones mentioned in the white dwarf.

New named characters have a tendency to evade detailed rumors better for some reason. It's also never clear if when someone says Aeldari they mean the codex, the race or the faction ( wich is Asuryani technically ) that's 3 quite different things.

 

But it again increases the scope of the campaign as well.

 

Either way really looking forward to the ( what I hope ) moth like sky reavers :) I may need to find a way to get the fomo box... thats a first O_O 

[Blindhamster]

10 hours ago, Chapter Master Valrak said:

Vulkan ‘died’ on Armageddon…

So did captain tycho

[01RTB01]

1 hour ago, TheMawr said:

 

There is more than just mistaking personal taste/opinion for fact as well.

Stores with limited shelf space are less likely to stock over a decade old kits, meaning dark eldar get even less exposure and thus less new fans.. wich is just one element of a bigger thing.

It's a nonsensical thing at one side, I regularly see people on reddit with a "im new to 40k and really loved the dark eldar but heard their range is old so I went for eldar" 

It is silly to think that way, because if you are new, the models are definitely new to you, and you love them, so it's a non issue.. but consumer psychology often works like that, on the other hand old fans have everything already so don't buy anything new creating a situation where an army has no new and no old "consumers" wich is not a situation a fan would want the army to be in. 

 

Wether you like the current models or not is void, if you like the army you'd want the army to stay, and for that there simply has to be a time for things to be refreshed, because we are talking about a consumer products that needs its key element : consumers.

 

Luckily we don't live in an age yet where a refresh deletes your existing collection ( apart from spacemarines.... but that's another story ) and GW won't come to your house to delete the drukhari you have, so new models is not a loss.

 

That's not even talking about what will likely happen .. when guardians got updated they also got storm guardians in the kit as modern kits simply have a lot more plastic, and the other comparable battlelines ( corsairs, with a stretch I'd say Battlesisters and maybe Skitarii) all have this second build.

 

So a kabalite refresh probably means trueborn returning and a wyches refresh probably means blood brides returning. For new players or those that like to they are dual kits, for players happy with the old wyches and kabalites, you now have bespoke different blood brides and trueborn.

 

People always point to the ork boyz when there is talk about battleline refreshes .. but they are the only ones of the 10+ battleline refreshes threated like that, they are also very obviously a different situation.

I really don't know why the thought of updates to these kits seems to offend people so much.

 

Personally I agree almost everything aged well, and i even think it would be a waste to replace most of it, just not wyches, they aged horribly ( both per model and as a kit ) and where never that great anatomically, and not in a "but they are not humans" way. But there is much more to things than the personal side. ( unless ofcourse you are someone who strongly feels the world turns around you, then indeed nothing but your opinion matters : p  )

 

@01RTB01 while I say "you" in this post a lot I mean "you" in general not you specifically ofcourse, I don't know if thats clear :) 

 

/rant over

 

 

Crystal frater and zero worries. You have to try really hard to niggle/ offend me :D

 

I totally get what you're saying and I do agree.

 

As an aside, I have played orks since 1993/4 and really disliked the new monopose boys. However, our 9 year old (after playing shootas, blood and teef) wanted to build and paint some orks. Being able to let him loose with snippers and a mold line remover but no glue was joyous. I pointed out that nobs can't have a big choppa and a power claw. I was met with the response "but it looks cool". If this philosophy remains, I'll be very happy. I'd like to see more pushfit orks please lol.

[Scribe]

4 hours ago, 01RTB01 said:

The dark eldar range is older than we'd think and probably now the oldest core range.

 

It's their time. Alas I fear they won't be as convertible or kitbashable. The warriors, wyches, bikes, Raider, ravager and skyboard types are all now quite old.

 

A refresh of those kits, would be near criminal negligence. 

[Mogger351]

1 hour ago, Scribe said:

 

A refresh of those kits, would be near criminal negligence. 

The 3 oldest ranges by age (in order I think) are daemons (their first chunk anyway), drukhari and GK 

[DeadFingers]

6 hours ago, Evil Eye said:

A range refresh seems kind of odd; there's not a single Dark Eldar kit actually in production that needs refreshing/replacing*. A range expansion to bring back all the stuff that was in resin and is now no longer available, absolutely, but the core plastic kits of the faction are fine. It's not like with the Tyranid refresh where the Gaunts dated back to third edition.

 

*With the possible exception of Lelith, because good lord that is the worst downgrade to a model this side of Coteaz, but realistically the chances of them redoing her this soon are microscopic.

I'd consider bringing back the missing resin kits a refresh. An expansion, to me, would be entirely new, previously unseen on the tabletop kits. But this is just semantics, really.

 

In any case, to really bring their age into perspective, Wyches and Scourges are still on slotta bases, which haven't seen the light of a day in new kits for a hot minute and probably marks them as very likely refresh candidates. And I also relate to the "they don't really need a refresh, do they? They look fine" sentiment as that's how I felt about various Tyranid kits when their own refresh was incoming. Aaaaaaaaand then the new kits came out and they showed me that yes, actually, they did need it.

 

But to bring things back to developments closer in time:

 

5 hours ago, TheMawr said:

Boole dropped another cryptic rumor today btw, there should be at least one more Aeldari epic hero in this EoE campaign ( others where epic hero for orks and tyranids.. latter one probably Red Terror also rumored by valrak )

 

Karandras is ofcourse a very likely candidate, though I wonder if it could be one of the new ones mentioned in the white dwarf.

New named characters have a tendency to evade detailed rumors better for some reason. It's also never clear if when someone says Aeldari they mean the codex, the race or the faction ( wich is Asuryani technically ) that's 3 quite different things.

 

But it again increases the scope of the campaign as well.

 

Either way really looking forward to the ( what I hope ) moth like sky reavers :) I may need to find a way to get the fomo box... thats a first O_O 

Went and found it. Had to be someone else's quote as Boole themselves have already deleted the rumour part, as is their MO.

 

Edited December 31, 2025 by DeadFingers

[Antarius]

I do wonder about the “some you thought long dead” thing, in the sense that I am surprised to learn that GW apparently killed off more than one named character since 2nd ed.
 

But, needless to say, I am very relieved to hear they’ll (both) be back, or I might have started to worry that it was unsafe in the 41st millennium.

Edited December 31, 2025 by Antarius

[Karhedron]

15 hours ago, Dr. Clock said:

Seems like a new kit certainly, wonder if it'll be a straight replacement for Vyper or something Corsair-specific since it doesn't seem to have any of the usual heavy weapon silhouettes there.

 

It does look like it could be an updated Vyper. It looks to me like it has 3 weapons mounted at the rear which would be a heavy loadout for a small skimmer. The centre weapon looks longer, maybe a Brightlance? Possibly the two weapons to either side are the Shuricats and they are no longer mounted on the chin?

 

 

Is there some special shop where rumour mongers buy low-resolution cameras just to wind us up with? 

 

[Cleon]

13 hours ago, HeadlessCross said:

Obviously it'll be Tycho. 

I know it's a joke and normally I'd be hell no, but hear me out here....

 

Tycho was horribly scarred on Armageddon, became so restless with the rage he had to fight constantly until the next war on Armagedodon, where he was slain in one of the largest fights on a planet previously heavily drenched in Khornate invasion.

 

If done well and the model looked awesome, I could probably buy in to a 'Khorne demon prince Tycho' blasting out from the wreckage of Hades hive.