Death means nothing

[gideon stargreave]

I don’t see any problem with it. Just produce the mini but have in the fluff that they’re dead. Flipping through my second Ed codices I can find rules for canonically dead characters in codex imperial guard, sisters of battle, space wolves; tycho was already dead in the last blood angels codex I bought, and he had rules. 

[calgar101]

4 minutes ago, gideon stargreave said:

I don’t see any problem with it. Just produce the mini but have in the fluff that they’re dead. Flipping through my second Ed codices I can find rules for canonically dead characters in codex imperial guard, sisters of battle, space wolves; tycho was already dead in the last blood angels codex I bought, and he had rules. 

 

Unfortunately it isn't really promoted that way now.

[m0nolith]

10 hours ago, Emperor Ming said:

The power of capitalism can revive anyone

 

Happy new year all

 

The power of communism seems to be able to do the same 

 

Happy new year everyone!

[Madao]

6 hours ago, Grotsmasha said:

What If?  The Orks collective belief in Yarrick's "he can't be killed" has made him a Living Saint?

I came here to write the same. This would be something great, instead of a plot failure if they bring him back 'alive'.

[ZeroWolf]

I'm still adamant that Trazyn will play a part in Yarrick's 'revival'. Now i have zero proof on this but it does seem like something he'd do, either because he wants to screw some one else over or because he wants something in exchange. Again, no proof, just something I've thought about in connection with the rumours about a new Trazyn model (who really should have dropped with the new Orikan mini)

[Toxichobbit]

Yarrick's death was so badly handled that I have no problem with them bringing him back. A short eulogy with no announcement, no story, nothing to give it context, just dumped in a Guard codex is not the way to kill off a major character. This isn't resurrecting Yarrick, it's fixing the mistake of whatever idiot OK'd that awful lore being put into the Guard codex. Never mind all the fans who have gaslit themselves into believing that it was Angron who killed him and Ghazgkull is now hunting Angron for revenge. Just as long as it's not that he comes back due to the Ork equivalent of thinking happy thoughts. Yes, Orks are green but they aren't Peter Pan, they can't fly just because they think they can. And while some level of reality warping happens around them, it shouldn't be to the stupid level of they can breathe in space if they think they can, or suddenly their vehicles work without fuel, or whatever  the so-called lore experts on YouTube who can't tell the difference between a meme and actual lore have come up with.

 

Beyond that though, what's dead should stay dead. One of the reasons I hate comics and super heroes is they just keep bringing them back (the other is the god awful costumes). 40k's lore is already nosediving into a Marvel-like character driven narrative rather than a setting where narratives happen, I'd rather we not speed up this process by death becoming an inconvenience just because a character was popular.

Edited Thursday at 12:02 PM by Toxichobbit

[grailkeeper]

Gw was reluctant to kill off characters because they think people won't play with them.

 

Tycho is the most famous canonical dead 40k character. I'd have no problem playing with or against a character who is dead.

 

NNarrative it would make Things a lot better of people could die and stay dead.

[Evil Eye]

I definitely think the excessive focus on "advancing the story" and turning the game into a tabletop version of a live-service game (complete with seasonal updates even!) has not done much good with regards to special characters. I won't repeat the massive wall of words I posted before on the trap GW have dug themselves into but to summarize- narratively important/popular characters can never stay dead because GW refuses to let dead characters be playable or allow people to play games in "the past" of 40K (excluding the Heresy which is a very different beast), and characters that are allowed to die usually get killed off "offscreen" in disappointing/boring ways, usually to promote something new and fancy. See also: The constant anticlimactic duels between named characters where nothing actually happens.

 

If 40K was treated properly as a sandbox setting, with the options to play games set in any period rather than being constrained to the "here and now", they could actually give characters satisfying ends and not worry about "But how are we going to sell him if he's dead?". Hell, they could sell more than one version of the same character even, representing them at different times. But then they wouldn't be able to force you to buy the shiny new thing because the model you already have is no longer playable.

[Magos Takatus]

Man, I hate how they keep bringing Lucius the Eternal back, really cheapens the setting.

*runs away cackling while dodging the rotten fruit pelted at him*

[calgar101]

1 hour ago, Magos Takatus said:

Man, I hate how they keep bringing Lucius the Eternal back, really cheapens the setting.

*runs away cackling while dodging the rotten fruit pelted at him*

Well played well played

[Blissful Brushes]

Personally I don’t mind them bringing back dead characters in model form if they’re a popular character or the model clearly needs a refresh.

After all, there’s 10,000 years worth of lore and stories that we set our armies in so I don’t like the idea of a character dying in M40 removing a model that you could use to represent a general etc for your M37 based army.

 

In terms of the lore/stories etc. though, they should stay dead, or what’s the point in the stories

[calgar101]

There is a difference with model form like Tycho and bringing them back in the narrative, of their death is clear cut.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

14 hours ago, Lord_Ikka said:

Where was this stated? I've been on holiday-mode for the last week or so and haven't been up to my usual skimming of hobby news?

I believe it was WD but Valrak has a video about it

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

7 hours ago, gideon stargreave said:

I don’t see any problem with it. Just produce the mini but have in the fluff that they’re dead. Flipping through my second Ed codices I can find rules for canonically dead characters in codex imperial guard, sisters of battle, space wolves; tycho was already dead in the last blood angels codex I bought, and he had rules. 

I’m not against having a model of a dead character, but I don’t think simply bringing a model for a dead character is what they were talking about.

 

sounded like they were speaking narratively.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

8 hours ago, calgar101 said:

There is a difference with model form like Tycho and bringing them back in the narrative, of their death is clear cut.

I think the ‘clear cut’ exemption shouldn’t be a thing.

its a stupid way for GW to just do the same  with just as bad or worse writing than if they had to keep dead characters dead.

Edited yesterday at 01:25 AM by Grotsmasha
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[Dark Shepherd]

18 hours ago, GSCUprising said:

Now this would be quite funny.

Da triumf of saynt humie

 

Just remembered they killed Ragnars dogs, and did them dirty

Edited Thursday at 11:11 PM by Dark Shepherd

[Magos Takatus]

As much as I am typically not keen on them bringing characters back from the dead, I was glad that Eldrad Ulthran managed to get himself un-swallowed by that Blackstone Fortress.

[calgar101]

5 hours ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

I’m not against having a model of a dead character, but I don’t think simply bringing a model for a dead character is what they were talking about.

 

sounded like they were speaking narratively.

Yeah I think it will be narrative driven, not a case of use Captain X to represent games in M37.

 

Side note, since reading Black Legion and while back and Guilliman being resurrected in the Gathering Storm; I keep thinking that The Emperor might bring back heroes and Sigismund would get brought back to fight Chaos.

[Iron Father Ferrum]

On 12/31/2025 at 2:57 PM, Scribe said:

 

 

 

If they return Ferrus, or Sanguinius, I do not care in which or what form, they have crossed the event horizon.

 

 

 

Ferrus at least has a prophesy of return.  But yeah, Sanguinius returning would be mighty dumb.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

2 hours ago, Iron Father Ferrum said:

 

Ferrus at least has a prophesy of return.  But yeah, Sanguinius returning would be mighty dumb.

Any of the primarchs returning was mighty dumb.

 

the return of guilliman was so stupid. Teaming up with a xenos race and letting them have anything to do with a primarch’s body would have been reported by at least one person and the whole weight of the inquisition would have come down on them if not for plot armor.

 

and the lion as best as I can tell, his return was inspired by palpatine’s “some how the lion came back”

 

as for the chaos primarchs, they just suddenly decided to get active after 10k years of sitting on their butts?

Edited yesterday at 02:45 AM by Lord_Ikka

[HeadlessCross]

59 minutes ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

and the lion as best as I can tell, his return was inspired by palpatine’s “some how the lion came back”

He wasn't actually missing though. 

[Felix Antipodes]

The only true death in 40K is if you are a low selling character and your die becomes unusable for some reason.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

42 minutes ago, HeadlessCross said:

He wasn't actually missing though. 

If he wasn’t missing where was he? From the bits of his book I’ve seen/heard he was off some where passed the feth out.

[lhg033]

On 1/1/2026 at 4:36 AM, Grotsmasha said:

What If?  The Orks collective belief in Yarrick's "he can't be killed" has made him a Living Saint?

 

This would be awesome and actually in keeping with the setting for me.

 

..and the ultimate snub by the Orks to him too! 'we love fighting him so much we wont even let him die!!!!'

[Deus_Ex_Machina]

12 hours ago, Dark Shepherd said:

Da triumf of saynt humie

 

Just remembered they killed Ragnars dogs, and did them dirty

They will come back too. You never read Pet Sematary?