Another Valrak video hit

[Scribe]

7 minutes ago, MoriyaSchism said:

I'm at this point. Seems like every single bit of the story "moving forward" has been some kind of re-hash. I'd say this is worse than an actually stagnant setting just getting campaign books that take place in the setting's past. 

 

How can the setting "move forward" when we are for decades, 1 second to midnight, nids ready to eat the galaxy, half the empire in flames, everyone about to die, and the Imperium has no hope of winning.

 

The meta plot is a lie. Always was.

[Orange Knight]

Things are definitely changing but the status quo remains the same. 

 

It just got dialed up from 11 to 11.5

[Mechanicus Tech-Support]

3 hours ago, Ayatollah_of_Rock_n_Rolla said:

I still can't belive that we're getting a 4th Armaggedon war with tied-in model releases and none of them is Steel Legion themed, not even a kill team box.  

Watch we'll go full circle but instead of dkok being represented by a repainted steel legion mini it'll be a repainted dkok as a steel legion mini 

[soviet1337]

I guess the problem is that Steel Legion are too close visually to Death Korps. Maybe an upgrade sprue would work?

 

I would love to see more Guard regiments in plastic but it's going to be Catachan next (Vostroyans/Tallarn if we are incredibly lucky) and then probably nothing else after. 

[Nephaston]

2 hours ago, Scribe said:

 

How can the setting "move forward" when we are for decades, 1 second to midnight, nids ready to eat the galaxy, half the empire in flames, everyone about to die, and the Imperium has no hope of winning.

 

The meta plot is a lie. Always was.

Well now it is half a second to midnight, nids already nibbling on spots, two thirds of the galaxy in flames, everyone about to die, and the Imperium has no hope of winning.

 

Or to use game terminology; we are in overtime.

[Chapter Master Valrak]

I wouldn't trust this guy if I was you.

[phandaal]

On 1/5/2026 at 3:16 PM, Nephaston said:

I vote for space dwarf pirates next.

 

Space Dwarf pirates would be awesome. We need more dwarf pirates in every setting! 

[01RTB01]

Do we have a rough ETA on the defiler? I'm wondering/ hoping we see it in the preview show but don't reckon we will.

[DeadFingers]

2 hours ago, 01RTB01 said:

Do we have a rough ETA on the defiler? I'm wondering/ hoping we see it in the preview show but don't reckon we will.

Well, if we go by the latest end-of-edition campaign book releases, the very last book should be out somewhere between late April/early May (Arks of Omen: The Lion) and late May/early June (Dawnbringers: Hounds of Chaos). So if the rumours are right and the Eye of Terror is the third book after Maelstrom and before Armageddon, then around March maybe?

 

Which does line up because both the final books and models for both Arks of Omen and Dawnbringers were revealed at AdeptiCon in late March alongside the new edition announcements for 40k and AoS. So if they follow the same pattern we should at the very least see the Defiler and friends before that (again, if the rumours are right).

 

Eddie was wearing the Iron Warriors badge in the preview announcement video though. So at least a tease maybe?

Edited Wednesday at 07:54 AM by DeadFingers

[Jings]

9 hours ago, MoriyaSchism said:

I'm at this point. Seems like every single bit of the story "moving forward" has been some kind of re-hash. I'd say this is worse than an actually stagnant setting just getting campaign books that take place in the setting's past. 

 

You forget there are some novel developments (the Nachmund Gauntlet springs to mind) which were cool little fronts that made things feel smaller by focusing on the usual suspects. 

 

The fact that each starter box (and subsequently the lore) hasn't focused on a different Chapter on a different front has exacerbated this setting-to-story transition by making the universe smaller. 

 

 

[Ayatollah_of_Rock_n_Rolla]

9 hours ago, Mechanicus Tech-Support said:

Watch we'll go full circle but instead of dkok being represented by a repainted steel legion mini it'll be a repainted dkok as a steel legion mini 

 

Diabolical, but I prefer to delude myself they're coming with a mechanized themed release together with new Chimera and LR. Yep, that's gonna happen. Any time now.

[Hfran Morkai]

5 hours ago, Ayatollah_of_Rock_n_Rolla said:

 

Diabolical, but I prefer to delude myself they're coming with a mechanized themed release together with new Chimera and LR. Yep, that's gonna happen. Any time now.

 

With an Autocannon for the Chimera...

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

23 hours ago, Scribe said:

 

How can the setting "move forward" when we are for decades, 1 second to midnight, nids ready to eat the galaxy, half the empire in flames, everyone about to die, and the Imperium has no hope of winning.

 

The meta plot is a lie. Always was.

Easily.

stabilize things for the imperium for the most part while giving chaos and tau some small in roads.

 

quick outline

imperium nihilus is generally stabilized, regular communications and transport across the rift restored, but no where near what it was before hand.

 

while the imperium was focused on that either tau or LoV take some territory,  chaos consolidates some of their ‘new’ territorial holdings .

 

these new small in roads by a xenos empire and consolidation by chaos on a neglected flank then lays the ground work for a new narrative story line to play out in the next edition or second half of the newest edition.

Edited Wednesday at 10:17 PM by Inquisitor_Lensoven

[Mmmmm Napalm]

Said it plenty of times on here but I think they erred when they deleted the 200 year timeskip set up in the original release of the Dark Imperium novel. They could have set so many neat stories and campaigns in that timespan, which is to say *narratives with a proper resolution* like Vraks or Badab, while also moving the status quo forward/filling in the history of the Indomitus Crusade.

 

This whole "every campaign is set in 'the present'" thing has always struck me as misguided because it rests on non-existent tension. "Oh no, angron is back!!! Could this be the end for the Imperium of Man?!?!??" 

 

Uh no, I don't think it will be

 

Keep your scenarios and stakes local, which is to say system or (sub)sector level. Set up interesting localities and scenarios like Badab, that people find interesting and want to perhaps explore/live out in their own games. The best 40k media, in my opinion, is the stuff that fleshes out a particular place, with it's own culture, quirks, variations on established factions, etc. Dark Heresy's calixis sector comes to mind, an absolutely fantastic setting. Ecclesiarchy? Sure, how about a unique sect in the form of the ascetic followers of st drusus while we're at it?

 

I'm rambling, but I am frustrated with the direction 40k narratives (and the setting as a whole) are going in, with no sign of even a slight change in course. In my bitterness I find myself wishing the horus heresy novels never existed. I think too much HH rubbed off onto 40k.

Edited 16 hours ago by Mmmmm Napalm

[Scribe]

1 hour ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

stabilize things for the imperium for the most part

 

'stabilize' being a pre-cadia explosion status? How does it stabilize when nids are going to munch everyone?

 

Progression of the 'narrative', the meta plot, remains nonsense.

[Dark Shepherd]

19 hours ago, phandaal said:

 

Space Dwarf pirates would be awesome. We need more dwarf pirates in every setting! 

I think we are getting Bloodbowl Dwarves based on balloons in the video

 

As scientific metrics go, balloon based theories are somewhere betweem Phrenology and huffing paint

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

1 hour ago, Scribe said:

 

'stabilize' being a pre-cadia explosion status? How does it stabilize when nids are going to munch everyone?

 

Progression of the 'narrative', the meta plot, remains nonsense.

‘Are going to munch everyone’ what does that even mean?

the tyranid plot line of the start of the edition has been left behind. It’s not hard to clean it up. The imperium drives them back, inflicting massive losses, forcing the ‘nids to go look for biomass elsewhere.

 

then everything I said.

 

but any way tyranids have been about to ‘munch’ everyone since they were introduced, and nothing has really changed.

[phandaal]

1 hour ago, Dark Shepherd said:

I think we are getting Bloodbowl Dwarves based on balloons in the video

 

As scientific metrics go, balloon based theories are somewhere betweem Phrenology and huffing paint

 

Where would you rate that in terms of systems of government based on handing out swords?

[Scribe]

1 hour ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

The imperium drives them back, inflicting massive losses, forcing the ‘nids to go look for biomass elsewhere.

 

We have been told that this is essentially impossible.

 

1 hour ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

but any way tyranids have been about to ‘munch’ everyone since they were introduced, and nothing has really changed.

 

Exactly.

 

Because that is 40K, and the narrative does not change, nothing changes, nothing can REALLY change, and meta plots are pointless.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

24 minutes ago, Scribe said:

 

We have been told that this is essentially impossible.

 

 

Exactly.

 

Because that is 40K, and the narrative does not change, nothing changes, nothing can REALLY change, and meta plots are pointless.

We’ve been told that. Doesn’t mean it’s true, and it’s not like GW hasn’t retconned a million things in the past, and won’t retcon anything else.

 

plenty has changed though…

[Scribe]

55 minutes ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

We’ve been told that. Doesn’t mean it’s true, and it’s not like GW hasn’t retconned a million things in the past, and won’t retcon anything else.

 

plenty has changed though…

 

The day the entire history of canon, tone, style, reinforced for decades is thrown away, and like "the Imperium can totally win and like thrive" is the day 40K died.

[Orange Knight]

7 hours ago, Scribe said:

 

We have been told that this is essentially impossible.

 

Essentially impossible is not impossible.

 

But I don't have any issue with this. The Nids are an unknown, and have also been shown to hold grudges and behave in a way that differs from what is expected.

[MoriyaSchism]

9 hours ago, Scribe said:

 

The day the entire history of canon, tone, style, reinforced for decades is thrown away, and like "the Imperium can totally win and like thrive" is the day 40K died.

Are you implying that our great Imperium can't win? That sounds like treason. 

[DeadFingers]

14 hours ago, Dark Shepherd said:

I think we are getting Bloodbowl Dwarves based on balloons in the video

I hope you like your dwarfs clean shaven, long haired, unnecessarily tall, lanky, and pointy eared. 

Edited Thursday at 01:28 PM by DeadFingers

[phandaal]

16 hours ago, Scribe said:

 

The day the entire history of canon, tone, style, reinforced for decades is thrown away, and like "the Imperium can totally win and like thrive" is the day 40K died.

 

On the other hand, the Great Devourer being a lock-in to consume the entire galaxy makes everything else pointless.

 

That also kills the setting: Chaos - doesn't matter, they lose. Imperium - doesn't matter, they lose. Orks, Eldar, Necrons - doesn't matter, they lose. It is no longer 40k at that point. It is just fanfic for people whose personality trait is "lol om nom nom."

 

In my opinion, Tyranids are better as something that can sweep out of nowhere and eat a star system rather than something out of the MCU that ate all of the galaxies in every timeline across the multiverse and is just popping over here real quick to finish things off.