Necron meta begins

[TiguriusX]

The new necron meta is gonna be oppressive and not much fun. 

 

The new Ctan are basically improved knights

 

They have a 4++ which means you can't instant kill them in melee like regular knights

The -1 dmg and FNP make their 16ish wounds similar to something in the 20s

And they heal up quickly if you don't kill them in 1 turn

 

 

My first test list is designed to kill them so I know how many guns I need in future lists...I did NOT take action monkeys in this version

 

After I determine how hard they are to kill I can cut and backfill this list with more scoring/utility

 

Ctan hunting season list

 

Spoiler

Ctan hunting season

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+ FACTION KEYWORD: Imperium - Adeptus Astartes - Space Wolves
+ DETACHMENT: Saga of the Great Wolf
+ TOTAL ARMY POINTS: 2000pts
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+ WARLORD: Char3: Librarian in Phobos Armour
+ ENHANCEMENT: Chariots of the Storm (on Char3: Librarian in Phobos Armour)
+ NUMBER OF UNITS: 15
+ SECONDARY: - Bring It Down: (4x2) - Assassination: 4 Characters
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Char1: 1x Bjorn the Fell-Handed (160 pts): Heavy Flamer, Trueclaw, Multi-melta
Char2: 1x Logan Grimnar (110 pts): Axe Morkai, Storm Bolter, Tyrnak and Fenrir
Char3: 1x Librarian in Phobos Armour (95 pts): Warlord, Bolt pistol, Force Weapon, Smite
Enhancement: Chariots of the Storm (+25 pts)
Char4: 1x Lieutenant with Combi-weapon (70 pts): Combi-weapon, Paired Combat Blades

6x Eradicator Squad (180 pts)
• 3x Eradicator: 3 with Bolt pistol, Close combat weapon, Melta rifle
• 1x Eradicator Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Close combat weapon, Melta rifle
• 2x Eradicator Squad: 2 with Bolt pistol, Close combat weapon, Multi-melta
6x Eradicator Squad (180 pts)
• 3x Eradicator: 3 with Bolt pistol, Close combat weapon, Melta rifle
• 1x Eradicator Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Close combat weapon, Melta rifle
• 2x Eradicator Squad: 2 with Bolt pistol, Close combat weapon, Multi-melta
6x Eradicator Squad (180 pts)
• 3x Eradicator: 3 with Bolt pistol, Close combat weapon, Melta rifle
• 1x Eradicator Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Close combat weapon, Melta rifle
• 2x Eradicator Squad: 2 with Bolt pistol, Close combat weapon, Multi-melta

 

5x Infiltrator Squad (100 pts)
• 4x Infiltrator
    2 with Bolt pistol, Close combat weapon, Marksman Bolt Carbine
    1 with Infiltrator Comms Array, Bolt pistol, Close combat weapon, Marksman Bolt Carbine
    1 with Helix Gauntlet, Bolt pistol, Close combat weapon, Marksman Bolt Carbine
• 1x Infiltrator Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Close combat weapon, Marksman Bolt Carbine

 

5x Scout Squad (70 pts)
• 2x Scout
    1 with Bolt pistol, Close combat weapon, Heavy Bolter
    1 with Bolt pistol, Close combat weapon, Scout Sniper Rifle
• 1x Scout Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Close combat weapon, Astartes Chainsword
• 2x Scouts: 2 with Bolt pistol, Close combat weapon, Combat Knife
5x Scout Squad (70 pts)
• 2x Scout
    1 with Bolt pistol, Close combat weapon, Heavy Bolter
    1 with Bolt pistol, Close combat weapon, Scout Sniper Rifle
• 1x Scout Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Close combat weapon, Astartes Chainsword
• 2x Scouts: 2 with Bolt pistol, Close combat weapon, Combat Knife

 

3x Thunderwolf Cavalry (115 pts): 3 with Storm shield, Crushing teeth and claws, Wolf Guard Weapon
3x Thunderwolf Cavalry (115 pts): 3 with Storm shield, Crushing teeth and claws, Wolf Guard Weapon

 

1x Vindicator (185 pts): Armoured Tracks, Demolisher Cannon, Hunter-killer missile, Storm Bolter
1x Vindicator (185 pts): Armoured Tracks, Demolisher Cannon, Hunter-killer missile, Storm Bolter
1x Vindicator (185 pts): Armoured Tracks, Demolisher Cannon, Hunter-killer missile, Storm Bolter

 

 

 

Vindicators are the best combination of offense/defense into Ctan.  They can survive 1 the ranged attacks and return fire hard enough to hurt (maybe even kill if lucky)

 

Eradicators and the damage rerolls are good if you can punch through the 4++...gotta use +1 to wound strat here

 

TWC are cheapest source of damage 3 available to clear out the supporting necron units

 

I also have given up on wolf scouts.  They were fun to experiment with but I can't justify their cost.

In reality I never had good targets for plasma in my games.  The unit was mostly an advance and move block or a charge and move block opening gambit if I won first turn

 

 

[Karhedron]

I am wondering if infantry spam in Beastslayer has any mileage. 10 Intercessors in Beastslayer will put around 4 wounds on a C'tan shard in a firing phase (slightly more with OOM).

[TiguriusX]

Time for a good laugh

 

The new SW beastslayer list i was about to test got a bigger nerf than Ctan

Spoiler

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+ FACTION KEYWORD: Imperium - Adeptus Astartes - Space Wolves

+ DETACHMENT: Saga of the Beastslayer (Legendary Slayers)

+ TOTAL ARMY POINTS: 2000pts

+

+ WARLORD: Char5: Librarian in Phobos Armour

+ ENHANCEMENT: Wolf-Touched (on Char8: Wolf Priest)

+ NUMBER OF UNITS: 20

+ SECONDARY: - Bring It Down: (1x2) + (3x4) - Assassination: 8 Characters

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Char1: 1x Bjorn the Fell-Handed (160 pts): Heavy Flamer, Trueclaw, Helfrost cannon

Char2: 1x Captain in Phobos Armour (70 pts): Bolt pistol, Combat Knife, Instigator Bolt Carbine

Char3: 1x Iron Priest (55 pts): Helfrost pistol, Tempest hammer and Servo-arm

Char4: 1x Iron Priest (55 pts): Helfrost pistol, Tempest hammer and Servo-arm

Char5: 1x Librarian in Phobos Armour (70 pts): Warlord, Bolt pistol, Force Weapon, Smite

Char6: 1x Lieutenant in Phobos Armour (55 pts): Bolt pistol, Master-crafted Scoped Bolt Carbine, Paired Combat Blades

Char7: 1x Lieutenant with Combi-weapon (70 pts): Combi-weapon, Paired Combat Blades

Char8: 1x Wolf Priest (85 pts): Absolver Bolt Pistol, Crozius Arcanum

Enhancement: Wolf-Touched (+15 pts)

 

5x Intercessor Squad (80 pts)

• 1x Intercessor Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Astartes grenade launcher, Bolt Rifle, Power Fist

• 4x Intercessor: 4 with Bolt pistol, Bolt Rifle, Close combat weapon

 

5x Fenrisian Wolves (40 pts): 5 with Teeth and claws

5x Fenrisian Wolves (40 pts): 5 with Teeth and claws

5x Fenrisian Wolves (40 pts): 5 with Teeth and claws

 

5x Incursor Squad (80 pts)

• 4x Incursor

3 with Bolt pistol, Occulus Bolt Carbine, Paired Combat Blades

1 with Haywire Mine, Bolt pistol, Occulus Bolt Carbine, Paired Combat Blades

• 1x Incursor Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Occulus Bolt Carbine, Paired Combat Blades

 

5x Infiltrator Squad (100 pts)

• 4x Infiltrator

2 with Bolt pistol, Close combat weapon, Marksman Bolt Carbine

1 with Infiltrator Comms Array, Bolt pistol, Close combat weapon, Marksman Bolt Carbine

1 with Helix Gauntlet, Bolt pistol, Close combat weapon, Marksman Bolt Carbine

• 1x Infiltrator Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Close combat weapon, Marksman Bolt Carbine

 

1x Repulsor Executioner (220 pts): Armoured Hull, Heavy Onslaught Gatling Cannon, Icarus Rocket Pod, Ironhail Heavy Stubber, Repulsor Executioner Defensive Array, Twin Heavy Bolter, Twin Icarus Ironhail Heavy Stubber, Heavy Laser Destroyer

1x Repulsor Executioner (220 pts): Armoured Hull, Heavy Onslaught Gatling Cannon, Icarus Rocket Pod, Ironhail Heavy Stubber, Repulsor Executioner Defensive Array, Twin Heavy Bolter, Twin Icarus Ironhail Heavy Stubber, Heavy Laser Destroyer

1x Repulsor Executioner (220 pts): Armoured Hull, Heavy Onslaught Gatling Cannon, Icarus Rocket Pod, Ironhail Heavy Stubber, Repulsor Executioner Defensive Array, Twin Heavy Bolter, Twin Icarus Ironhail Heavy Stubber, Heavy Laser Destroyer

 

5x Scout Squad (70 pts)

• 2x Scout

1 with Bolt pistol, Close combat weapon, Missile Launcher

1 with Bolt pistol, Close combat weapon, Scout Sniper Rifle

• 1x Scout Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Close combat weapon, Astartes Chainsword

• 2x Scouts: 2 with Bolt pistol, Close combat weapon, Combat Knife

5x Scout Squad (70 pts)

• 2x Scout

1 with Bolt pistol, Close combat weapon, Missile Launcher

1 with Bolt pistol, Close combat weapon, Scout Sniper Rifle

• 1x Scout Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Close combat weapon, Astartes Chainsword

• 2x Scouts: 2 with Bolt pistol, Close combat weapon, Combat Knife

 

10x Wulfen with Storm Shields (200 pts): 10 with Storm shield, Stormfrag auto-launcher, Thunder Hammer

 

3 repex + combi lt is +45 pts

 

The non pantheon Ctan got a +40 ish points hit

 

11th edition cant come fast enough...

 

[Karhedron]

1 hour ago, TiguriusX said:

11th edition cant come fast enough...

 

11th edition is rumoured to be backwards-compatible like 9th was with 8th. This means no big reset on the horizon.

[Wolf Guard Dan]

I play occasionally play and just for fun at this point. I do like reading the tournament article by goonhammer. I just scroll past the necron and ultramarine wins. Boring to read about those armies. I like to read about the novel lists people come up with. I hope they would have addressed necron/UM this quarterly balance. GW is preparing for 11th and isn't bothered with the back end of 10th. Which is lame if the last 6-9 months of a 3 year edition is this meta slop.

 

I am happy its rumored to be backwards compatible. The 3 armies I care about and play all came out at the end of 10th. However, GW has to address Necrons/UM at the start of 11th or it is going to kill my excitement for the edition. My gaming group is down on 40k right in 10th edition. I hope the core rules change enough to bring them back in. 

 

Tigurius we need a "Haha/paaaaiiinnn" emoji