New Dets?

[Tacitus]

Has anyone done any Theory-Hammering the new Dets? 

 

For example, the Orbital Det with the Lion?  I like "guarding" Primarchs with Infiltrators led by a Phobos Libby - Primarch has Lone Operative because of the infantry nearby, the infantry has (effectively) Lone Operative because of the Phobos Libby - meaning you can't shoot anything from outside 12" and you can't deepstrike within 12" - and with the Primarch's speed trying to get inside that 12" overland means I probably get to choose who charges when.  Now I can deep strike the Phobos bodyguard with the Lion instead of having to pick the Phobos guard or Terminators (etc) who have Deep Strike already.   Tactical Decapitation (in the fight phase) also is very fluffy for the Dark Angels, though it works even better with Guilliman because of Improved OOM and Second OOM rules. 

 

Wrath of the Rock - Justiciar led Bladeguard Veterans has a little gotcha to it.  They're Deathwing even though they're not terminators, the Justiciar still lets them fight first even though they don't get charge bonus.

 

Bastion Task Force has some interesting applications with PRECISION Heavy Intercessors plus letting battleline units trigger an Auspex Scan which then allows pretty decent strats on your non-Battleline units. 

 

[JuliusAgricola]

36 minutes ago, Tacitus said:

Has anyone done any Theory-Hammering the new Dets? 

 

For example, the Orbital Det with the Lion?  I like "guarding" Primarchs with Infiltrators led by a Phobos Libby - Primarch has Lone Operative because of the infantry nearby, the infantry has (effectively) Lone Operative because of the Phobos Libby - meaning you can't shoot anything from outside 12" and you can't deepstrike within 12" - and with the Primarch's speed trying to get inside that 12" overland means I probably get to choose who charges when.  Now I can deep strike the Phobos bodyguard with the Lion instead of having to pick the Phobos guard or Terminators (etc) who have Deep Strike already.   Tactical Decapitation (in the fight phase) also is very fluffy for the Dark Angels, though it works even better with Guilliman because of Improved OOM and Second OOM rules. 

 

Wrath of the Rock - Justiciar led Bladeguard Veterans has a little gotcha to it.  They're Deathwing even though they're not terminators, the Justiciar still lets them fight first even though they don't get charge bonus.

 

Bastion Task Force has some interesting applications with PRECISION Heavy Intercessors plus letting battleline units trigger an Auspex Scan which then allows pretty decent strats on your non-Battleline units. 

 

Not sure what the point about the Justiciar in Wrath means? He's always been able to attach to BG Vets. He can also attach to Inner Circle Companions, who also count as Deathwing. If you're feeling like you want to be even more Deathwing, you can put 6 ICC and a Judiciar in a Repulsor, Rep Ex, or a Land Raider (which also separately count as Deathwing).

[Tacitus]

5 hours ago, JuliusAgricola said:

Not sure what the point about the Justiciar in Wrath means? He's always been able to attach to BG Vets. He can also attach to Inner Circle Companions, who also count as Deathwing. If you're feeling like you want to be even more Deathwing, you can put 6 ICC and a Judiciar in a Repulsor, Rep Ex, or a Land Raider (which also separately count as Deathwing).

The Point was that when most people hear Deathwing they think Terminators, but now all the (First Company Power Armor) XYZ-Guards are also Deathwing giving it just a little "sneaky".  And the Judiciar was to give them Fights First even though they wouldn't get a Charge Bonus - which includes fighting first.