Aeldari Corsairs (ft. NuVyper)

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

Not going to lie, I was hoping for and would have preferred a venom style transport though.

[Marshal Loss]

Love to see the Vyper updated, hope they get around to the other classic tank designs before too long. 

[Inquisitor Verhek]

Well, so much for selling the Eldar, sorry, Aeldari, i had accumulated. Now, how do I go about making a good corsair/aspect warriors army?

 

So, the vyper and starfang can both be modeled turret up or down, right? So the only difference between the two is the weapon loadout and canopies?! Seems kind of lazy for a multi-kit build option.

Edited January 17 by Inquisitor Verhek

[Karhedron]

Just looking at the new Vyper and it looks like it has a shuriken cannon under the chin. That will be a nice touch if it is the case as dropping it to only twin shuricats was a but of a downgrade in 10th.

 

Interested to see some more information about the Starfang. Guessing it will have the same stats but different special rules. This is actually tempting as I could build the new kit as a Starfang without invalidating my vintage Vypers.

 

The more I look at it, the more tempting that box set looks. I love the new Characters and Starfang. I have been meaning to get myself some Voiscarred for a while and the new Skyreavers certainly look interesting. 

[TheRevolutionByNight]

Love these new Corsairs, the wing infantry have a lot cool options and look great not to mention a lot more kitbash stuff all around so I can finally make that Corsair Princess. I'm a fan of the Vyper and Starfang and think they are both peak Eldar in terms of the mix of jetbike/skimmer.

 

The Farseer bringing back the old bug eyed helm is a very welcome sight, I love the older Eldar aesthetics that we lost along the way and seeing the bug eye return gives me hope GW will finally stop being allergic to antlers in the modern age for them as well, definitely a solid box I will buy if I can.

 

Only thing I'm missing (but hopeful it is likely coming down the track) is no Wasp Assault Walker.

Edited January 17 by TheRevolutionByNight

[Borbarad]

The basic Eldar design is a timeless beauty - love the psyker especially. Great homage to an older miniature.

[TheMawr]

9 hours ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

Not going to lie, I was hoping for and would have preferred a venom style transport though.

 

The silliest thing is there are 2 in the codex; ynnari venom and harlequins starweaver.. just let corsairs ride those.

 

It would have been much better to just have an Aeldari starweaver that can transport the ynnari, harlequins and anrathe units.

 

Same with the ynnari Raider, just make it an outcast Raider or something usable by ynnari, harlequins and anrathe.

 

( with a caveat that Asuryani units never get the ynnari keyword, so no dark reapers in raider shenanigans, it's basically an unnecessary keyword addition for the rules.. it may seem like it, but it really isn't in the way detachments work... there are already prerequisites to take the DoY detachment.  Stratagems etc don't need to target an ynnari keyword, they can target the Aeldari keyword)

 

However a lot of people struggle with keywords being abstract, the other day I saw someone with saimhann painted voidweaver and skyweavers for their saim Han army and the responses where "its a shame these units don't exist" but they do.. they have usable rules, they are just marketed as harlequins. Nothing stopping you from using them as Saim hann specialists.

 

 

 

 

Also, absolutely love the corsairs.   Yriel is going to be an autarch ( or maybe even archon ) for me.. but I hope I can get my hands on a box.

Also hope the void dreamer is generic..and the name is just like the lord discordant and some deathguard characters. Otherwise it will be a farseer or spirit seer ;)

[Dr. Clock]

I'm sold. Kharseth, Skyreavers and two Vypers are in the cart no further questions. The release box is thus a maybe - I already have a Pirate Prince conversion for Yriel, but the new bloke will make a good Autarch to go alongside, so if there's any kind of discount on the box I'll get it. 

 

It's hilarious to find out that the 'mystery guns' we were discussing from potato cam pics were just looking at the turret facing the other way... And I'm glad they didn't redesign the classic eldar heavy weapons and invalidate peoples' existing vyper loadouts.

 

Seeing some other shots around the internet suggessting that the Starfang has grenade array on the bottom and people suggesting that it will basically be a Stealth bubble for surrounding infantry which I don't hate... I'll probably build them that way since eldar infantry definitely need all the protection they can get.

 

Turret as 'stowed' position is pretty cool, but I'll likely do both mine facing forward in attack position. 

 

Honestly the most surprising thing for me here is that the Skyreavers are pretty straight-up melee unit. They would definitely overlap with swooping hawks awkwardly if they were shooty, but I guess we finally know where Mon'Keigh got the idea for jump assault packs ; ) I'm guessing they'll be relatively anemic in terms of damage, but likely a shoo-in on pure action utility. 

 

Cheers,

 

The Good Doctor.

[Fire Golem]

Love the new Corsair stuff. A Corsair force has been on my wish list since Doom of Mymeara and I’m increasingly running out of reasons not to do one. The only thing I’m not sure on is the backwards turret on the vehicle but yeah seemingly you can just build it forwards like the Vyper so that’s not an issue at all. Do love the bug eyed Psyker helmet, that’s a great throwback. 

[Evil Eye]

A "chariot" style transport Vyper would have been a great addition- they could have homaged the old 3E character who rode one whose name I can't quite recall. Will check the book when I get home!

[Mogger351]

All I'm curious about now is how these all fit together army construction wise. Are corsairs in both eldar books? Regardless, like the ynnari I feel they sort of need a mix of kits from both to work.

[Indy Techwisp]

36 minutes ago, Mogger351 said:

All I'm curious about now is how these all fit together army construction wise. Are corsairs in both eldar books? Regardless, like the ynnari I feel they sort of need a mix of kits from both to work.

 

These guys are likely in the exact same book as the Voidreavers are currently.

[Mogger351]

12 minutes ago, Indy Techwisp said:

 

These guys are likely in the exact same book as the Voidreavers are currently.

That makes sense to a degree, but it doesn't seem right to just have either craftworld or drukhari with the corsairs. I know that Yriel is historically a craftworlds unit though.

[Dr. Clock]

3 hours ago, Mogger351 said:

doesn't seem right to just have either craftworld or drukhari with the corsairs.

... except for when it definitely does? To my mind, Corsairs could have literally any vehicles or weapons from either the Craftworlds or the Dark City.

 

I understand that specifcally Aspect Warriors are harder to rationalize in a pure Corsair force, but anything a Guardian or Kabalite can crew or use, a Corsair would/should also be able to afford. Plus, Rangers are also on the Path of the Outcast, and painted right they'll fit right in to the Corsair vibe... I already converted 5 Corsair Rangers using new longrifles on old metal guardians ; )

 

I agree that my ideal Corsair vibe is 'definitely neither Asuryani nor Drukhari', but I like them to be cross-referencing both in near equal measure... and the new stuff definitely does that. They'll almost certainly live in craftworlds from a game perspective, but if I were doing Kabalites or Scourges in this day and age I'd be looking close at Corsair stuff to see if I didn't prefer converting them to be their adjacent Drukhari units.

 

On a somewhat unrelated note... I'm frankly surprised and impressed that the Skyreavers is a box of 10. They'll probably be a bit more expensive than the basic infantry, but likely not by much, and certainly well better than 5-man Aspect boxes. 

 

Cheers,

 

The Good Doctor. 

[TheVoidDragon]

I really like that new void dreamer model, with the low-quality version a few weeks ago I thought it might have a classic Rogue Trader era Farseer helmet, and it does! 

Not quite sure about the Starfang though, It's...interesting....but every time I look at it, I just think of the terrible WW2 Boulton Paul Defiant plane...

[Mogger351]

45 minutes ago, Dr. Clock said:

... except for when it definitely does? To my mind, Corsairs could have literally any vehicles or weapons from either the Craftworlds or the Dark City.

 

I understand that specifcally Aspect Warriors are harder to rationalize in a pure Corsair force, but anything a Guardian or Kabalite can crew or use, a Corsair would/should also be able to afford. Plus, Rangers are also on the Path of the Outcast, and painted right they'll fit right in to the Corsair vibe... I already converted 5 Corsair Rangers using new longrifles on old metal guardians ; )

 

I agree that my ideal Corsair vibe is 'definitely neither Asuryani nor Drukhari', but I like them to be cross-referencing both in near equal measure... and the new stuff definitely does that. They'll almost certainly live in craftworlds from a game perspective, but if I were doing Kabalites or Scourges in this day and age I'd be looking close at Corsair stuff to see if I didn't prefer converting them to be their adjacent Drukhari units.

 

On a somewhat unrelated note... I'm frankly surprised and impressed that the Skyreavers is a box of 10. They'll probably be a bit more expensive than the basic infantry, but likely not by much, and certainly well better than 5-man Aspect boxes. 

 

Cheers,

 

The Good Doctor. 

I mean you essentially agreed with me there, it makes sense to see elements of both equally was what I meant, rather than being in craftworlds so stuck with just craftworld units.

[Lord Marshal]

Corsairs not getting the Venom mainly feels like it's just a victim of exclusively coming with Dark Eldar crew. 

 

Maybe when they update the Dark Eldar range it'll pull double-duty, particularly if they also get access to Corsairs in their 'dex somehow. 

[Magos Takatus]

1 hour ago, TheVoidDragon said:

I really like that new void dreamer model, with the low-quality version a few weeks ago I thought it might have a classic Rogue Trader era Farseer helmet, and it does! 

Not quite sure about the Starfang though, It's...interesting....but every time I look at it, I just think of the terrible WW2 Boulton Paul Defiant plane...

You wound me. I bought a model kit of the Defiant at a school fete as a child and I loved it's goofy design... even after finding out how much of a liability it was in reality. 

[Iron Lord]

2 hours ago, Lord Marshal said:

Corsairs not getting the Venom mainly feels like it's just a victim of exclusively coming with Dark Eldar crew. 

 

Maybe when they update the Dark Eldar range it'll pull double-duty, particularly if they also get access to Corsairs in their 'dex somehow. 

 

They had the Venom in the forgeworld book The Doom of Mymeara (theirs had only access to Craftworlder-type weapons in the Version 1 edition of the book,  but could take Dark Eldar or Craftworlder weapons in version 2). It would be nice to see them get it again, especially when their version of the Vyper, the Starfang, has access to Dark Eldar guns (looks like a Disintegrator in the preview pic) 

 

Mymeara book corsairs, at least in the Version 2 edition of the book,  had a lot of cases of Eldar vehicles having access to Dark Eldar guns or vice versa.

 

Their Vypers could take most Eldar or Dark Eldar heavy weapons in the dorsal mount, and, had twin lasblasters on the underside, which could be swapped for splinter rifles, shuriken catapults, splinter cannon, or shuriken cannon.

 

Their Venoms, the same, but with a more limited list of dorsal weapons (splinter cannon, scatter laser, shuriken cannon)

 

Their Falcons were just like their Vypers (highly versatile dorsal mount and underside mount).

 

Even vehicles with limited access to other weapons, like Night Spinner or Fire Prism, could put a splinter cannon in their underside mount.

 

 

 

In Battlefleet Gothic, Corsair eldar ships could be upgraded to take some Aspect Warrior crew (in the 2002 Annual's Crew Refit table - Harlequins were represented with the same option - either way, the option to reroll the dice in a boarding action, was granted), and some of their flyers were portrayed as Aspect warriors of a sort (in the Battlefleet Gothic novel Shadow Point): Eagle Bomber Pilot was portrayed as an Aspect:

 

 

 

The Eagle bombers bore mercilessly on, skipping effortlessly past a storm of las-beam fire, spinning a dizzying path through a wall of crude mon-keigh explosive projectile munitions. They bore relentlessly down on the target. In times past, Lileathon had taken on the aspect warrior path of Amon Harakht, of Eagle pilot. That part of her which would always be of that aspect could well remember the surge of exultant pleasure which must now be filling the minds of the bomber pilots as they heard the over-excited, screaming crescendo of their craft’s infinity circuits and saw the bulky shape of their doomed target looming ever larger through the crystal-glass canopies of their cockpits.

 

 

 

Edited January 17 by Iron Lord

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

It seems like the basic venom hull form/fuselage is common enough in eldar culture there should definitely be a corsair equivalent, and hopefully that will be released whenever the codex they’re associated with is released in 11th.

[Timberley]

3 hours ago, Lord Marshal said:

Corsairs not getting the Venom mainly feels like it's just a victim of exclusively coming with Dark Eldar crew. 

 

Maybe when they update the Dark Eldar range it'll pull double-duty, particularly if they also get access to Corsairs in their 'dex somehow. 

Yeah, though I'd be tempted to allow a Corsairs player to take them, same as taking Reavers.  It'd be nice if GW created a mini-Codex or detachment that was Corsair-themed and detailed all of the units a Corsair army (with a Prince/Princess as the Warlord) could use, from both the Eldar and Dark Eldar codices.

 

Anyway, I do like the new Corsairs miniatures.  I've got the Kill Team, and these'd be a fantastic addition, as they really do follow the same design brief; being distinct from both Craftworlders and the Cousins from Commorragh, but close enough to both that they could easily fit into either's army.  They're also a good throwback to the original Corsair conversion kits from back in the Imperial Armour days ('Vol 11 - The Doom of Mymeara'. nostalgia fans). 

 

That updated Vyper looks the absolute business too! It was definitely a good idea to put the turret gunner in a pod rather than have them sitting in an exposed chair.  Plus, the pod does make it look more aerodynamic.  The Starfang variation for the Corsairs is an interesting touch, and does make sense.  However, I'm going to wait until 11th before I even think about getting back into the Big Game, as I've got too many Necromunda projects on the go!

[Timberley]

5 hours ago, TheVoidDragon said:

I really like that new void dreamer model, with the low-quality version a few weeks ago I thought it might have a classic Rogue Trader era Farseer helmet, and it does! 

Not quite sure about the Starfang though, It's...interesting....but every time I look at it, I just think of the terrible WW2 Boulton Paul Defiant plane...

Well, the Starfang is a Vyper with an open cockpit and Dark Eldar weapons by the looks of it, so I think that was GW demonstrating the 'stowed' version of the turret that can be built for the Vyper/Starfang (as mentioned in the WarCom article), not the 'attack position' that's been the rest of the pics.

[HeadlessCross]

13 hours ago, TheMawr said:

 

The silliest thing is there are 2 in the codex; ynnari venom and harlequins starweaver.. just let corsairs ride those.

Corsairs being allowed to use Drukhari Raiders would be absolutely rad. 

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

2 hours ago, Timberley said:

Well, the Starfang is a Vyper with an open cockpit and Dark Eldar weapons by the looks of it, so I think that was GW demonstrating the 'stowed' version of the turret that can be built for the Vyper/Starfang (as mentioned in the WarCom article), not the 'attack position' that's been the rest of the pics.

I kinda like the idea of it just being a back seat gunner.

it kinda makes sense to me for pirates to have solid rear facing firepower since a pirate’s main goal in fighting an actual military is to fight and escape.

 

their targets are ideally unarmed or very lightly armed so forward facing firepower is just heavy enough to be intimidating and overcome meager resistance, with rear facing fire power meant to destroyer pursuers in dedicate military vehicles everything from sentinels, tauroxes, chimeras, battle tanks, other eldar skimmers, to dedicated aircraft like the thunderbolt and lightning.

Edited January 18 by Inquisitor_Lensoven

[Timberley]

I'm assuming we'll get some data sheets or something for all of these new Corsairs at some point, as the irony is that the new Skyreaver models can only use rules from Legends, same as Yriel, and the last Void Dreamer rules were from 7th Edition.  Further, both Voidscarred and Voidreavers can only have Yvraine or The Visarch attached to them as leader characters (if we're ignoring Legends), which doesn't help matters.  

 

As @Iron Lord said, a lot of the Corsairs stuff was in IA Vol 11 - The Doom of Mymeara, and the units could take a mixture of Craftworld and Commorragh weaponry.  We're still missing a lot of those units in the latest version of the game.  Going off memory (mixed with some Lexicanum), we still need:

- Corsair Prince/Princess (generic warlord)

- Blade Sworn Retinue (Prince's bodyguards/elites)

- Corsair Baron (lieutenant-level generic character)

- Void Dreamer (coming with the new model, hopefully)

- Voidstorm Squad/Band (elite breacher-type veteran squad) 

- Wasp Assault Walker Squadron (War Walkers with jump jets)

- Ghostwalker Band (essentially Rangers)

- Cloud Dancer Band (Jetbikes)

- Malevolent Band (5-man melee squad with a weird -Ld aura ability)

- Balestrike Band (5-man heavy weapons squad)

 

There's also all of the vehicles, but I doubt we'll get them back, which is a shame as it'd be great to see the Vampire Raider again.  Also, the old unit descriptions describe them as being able to take Venoms (for a 5-man squad) or Falcons (6+ squad) as their Dedicated Transport.

 

Obviously, this is me wishlisting that GW allow us to use Corsairs as a whole army, not just some allied units to a (Dark) Eldar army.  However, it would be nice to be able to do so!

 

Edit:  I also realised that whoever wrote the article for WarCom doesn't know how the Eldar travel in space.  To quote:

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What’s a Void Dreamer,’ you ask? They’re specially attuned psykers that can feel the shifting eddies of the Warp and guide their fleets through empyrean channels that would burn out dozens of lesser navigators. 

 

Unless, of course, GW have decided that Eldar don't need to be scared of She Who Thirsts, who resides in the Warp and is on a mission to eat any Eldar soul She encounters, and can now freely travel the Warp rather than rely on the Webway.

Edited January 18 by Timberley
WarCom lacks lore competency...