More 11th Edition Boxset Rumours

[BitsHammer]

On 1/23/2026 at 9:49 AM, Evil Eye said:

A new Landspeeder variant would be interesting. I do like the idea of a transport variant for Scouts or Phobos armoured Marines, ala the Storm (may it rest in peace) acting like a Marine flavoured Black Hawk. That said, another thing that would be very cool IMO and would possibly get me to pony up some money for one would be a sort of remaster of the second edition Land Speeder; something smaller than the Storm Speeder chassis and fairly lightly armoured, but fast, maneuverable and able to bring quite potent weapons to bear. Aside from the obvious "Oh hey, it's that thing!" appeal to oldhammer afficionados, making it appropriately smaller (really not much more than the engine, control seats, weapon mounts and basic protection primarily against a crash rather than enemy fire) would also make it work quite well in a starter set; it wouldn't take too much sprue/box space, and when sold separately would make a very good impulse-buy bait due to being a smaller, cheaper little kit.

 

For those who don't remember, I'm talking about this beauty. Bonus points if the crew have those flight-mask styled helmets.

My expectations would be more the ATV but grav.

[Orange Knight]

4 hours ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

Both have similar speed as an impulsor and carry troops. Fire deck doesn’t make them massively different. They just have extra firepower inbuilt to make up for it.

 

 

Now I know you're trolling.

 

Firing deck makes a massive difference depending on the unit inside. 

 

As has already been mentioned, all Marine transports have some similarities by virtue of being vehicles that transport infantry. Some transports have many more similarities than others.

[Craig]

I wonder if they will change the gretchin to a swarm unit and include a base on the boys sprues like they did with the ripper swarm and canoptek scarabs.

[skylerboodie]

I fear it'll be 20x gretchin & 10x boyz, rather than 20x boys & 10x gretchin

[Karhedron]

2 hours ago, Craig said:

I wonder if they will change the gretchin to a swarm unit and include a base on the boys sprues like they did with the ripper swarm and canoptek scarabs.

 

Historically Snotlings were the swarm unit but I don't know if they will remain a thing. Gretchin were more cultists/conscripts in being cheap infantry chaff.

Edited yesterday at 09:50 AM by Karhedron

[Mogger351]

10 hours ago, 01RTB01 said:

If we're getting Boyz and grots in the launch box and it's a hark back to 2nd edition...

 

Leviathan vs "Armageddon":

 

Winged Tyranid prime - Warboss

Neurotyrant - walking gun platform (?)

Screamer killer - wartrak

Termagants - Grots 

Neurogaunts - Boyz (?)

Barbgaunts - ?

Psychophage - ?

 

Leviathan was the largest, most crammed launch box to date. I can't believe that Armageddon will be smaller. It'll be interesting to see what else will be in it.

Look at skaventide. If they want to make combat patrol more of a success ala spearhead, they'll likely be shoving boards and terrain in the box which will take the space from some minis.

 

Which honestly seems a great idea having a launch box be something you can play properly at launch out the box.

[Karhedron]

36 minutes ago, Mogger351 said:

Look at skaventide. If they want to make combat patrol more of a success ala spearhead, they'll likely be shoving boards and terrain in the box which will take the space from some minis.

 

I seem to recall that Skaventide was the first launch box not to sell out. It hung around on shelves for quite some time IIRC so it may not be a format they wish to repeat.

[Agrest_IW]

1 hour ago, skylerboodie said:

I fear it'll be 20x gretchin & 10x boyz, rather than 20x boys & 10x gretchin

 

It is Historicaly Accurate to make more Gretchins ;)

[Mogger351]

55 minutes ago, Karhedron said:

 

I seem to recall that Skaventide was the first launch box not to sell out. It hung around on shelves for quite some time IIRC so it may not be a format they wish to repeat.

Nah dominion didn't sell out either. But I think they expected leviathan level sales from Skaventide.

 

You have to remember they also used it to squat 2 editions worth of peoples collections and stormcast doesn't have the appeal of marines.

 

The sales aren't because of the box format necessarily.

[01RTB01]

53 minutes ago, Karhedron said:

 

I seem to recall that Skaventide was the first launch box not to sell out. It hung around on shelves for quite some time IIRC so it may not be a format they wish to repeat.

 

Leviathan didn't either.

 

That said, regardless of skaventide's success or not, spearhead has mosr certainly been very successful. Having 'spearheads' plus extras in the launch box is no bad thing. 

 

The Helsmiths army box (named in the financial report) a non hyperbolic example of spearhead's success.

 

In a world of ever increasing costs, being able to buy one box and getting a proper gaming experience can't be overrated.

[01RTB01]

34 minutes ago, Agrest_IW said:

 

It is Historicaly Accurate to make more Gretchins ;)

 

My first gaming love courtesy of Argos. 20 boyz and 40 grots would be fun to see. 10/20 probably more likely depending on what else is in there.

[Mogger351]

3 minutes ago, 01RTB01 said:

 

Leviathan didn't either.

 

That said, regardless of skaventide's success or not, spearhead has mosr certainly been very successful. Having 'spearheads' plus extras in the launch box is no bad thing. 

 

The Helsmiths army box (named in the financial report) a non hyperbolic example of spearhead's success.

 

In a world of ever increasing costs, being able to buy one box and getting a proper gaming experience can't be overrated.

Come to think of it the current starter box for 40k is 2 combat patrols, a board and terrain. The same format as the top end sigmar starter. So it's clearly something that works.

[Craig]

2 hours ago, Karhedron said:

 

Historically Snotlings were the swarm unit but I don't know if they will remain a thing. Gretchin were more cultists/conscripts in being cheap infantry chaff.

It's more that I can't see GW pricing a box of Gretchin at their standard £30-£45. The current box is probably the cheapest GW currently sell and I don't see them replacing it with a new sprue at a similar price point. If adding some to another units sprue keeps the storage and shipping costs down for them I can imagine a world where that happens.

[Mogger351]

25 minutes ago, Craig said:

It's more that I can't see GW pricing a box of Gretchin at their standard £30-£45. The current box is probably the cheapest GW currently sell and I don't see them replacing it with a new sprue at a similar price point. If adding some to another units sprue keeps the storage and shipping costs down for them I can imagine a world where that happens.

A unit of 20 for £30 seems about right?

[01RTB01]

2 hours ago, Mogger351 said:

Come to think of it the current starter box for 40k is 2 combat patrols, a board and terrain. The same format as the top end sigmar starter. So it's clearly something that works.

 

The difference is though that combat patrol has had very little/ no support. Spearhead has been developed and supported as a genuine alternative to 2k games. There's been 2 expansions for it and another coming "soon". 

 

I sincerely hope that combat patrol gets the same treatment for 11th Ed.

[CastellanDeMolay]

1 hour ago, Mogger351 said:

A unit of 20 for £30 seems about right?

Hobgrot slittaz are 20 for £38, so you're not far off. 

[Flaherty]

3 hours ago, 01RTB01 said:

 

Leviathan didn't either.

 

That said, regardless of skaventide's success or not, spearhead has mosr certainly been very successful. Having 'spearheads' plus extras in the launch box is no bad thing. 

 

The Helsmiths army box (named in the financial report) a non hyperbolic example of spearhead's success.

 

In a world of ever increasing costs, being able to buy one box and getting a proper gaming experience can't be overrated.

How did Leviathan not sell out? I can still buy Dominion and Skaventide on Amazon at a deep discount, five years, and two years after their respective launches. There isn't a copy of Leviathan to be had, save for a single Ebay listing at $400 USD. 
 

[Mogger351]

1 minute ago, Flaherty said:

How did Leviathan not sell out? I can still buy Dominion and Skaventide on Amazon at a deep discount, five years, and two years after their respective launches. There isn't a copy of Leviathan to be had, save for a single Ebay listing at $400 USD. 
 

It was left made to order with an extra wave even after that, stores had it in for a few months after.

[ZeroWolf]

42 minutes ago, Mogger351 said:

It was left made to order with an extra wave even after that, stores had it in for a few months after.

I can confirm that one of my flgs only got rid of their last copy of Leviathan last year after sitting on the shelf a good 18 months+. I heavily contemplated buying it but decided against it in the end.

[jaxom]

The box mini contents are more important for sales than the game content (Dawn of War Onslaught for example). Spearhead has been a great success. Levi launched with “can make 2 combat patrols” marketing. Regardless of if CP gets a glow up, I expect the new launch box will also build 2 combat patrols.

[Mogger351]

Just now, jaxom said:

The box mini contents are more important for sales than the game content (Dawn of War Onslaught for example). Spearhead has been a great success. Levi launched with “can make 2 combat patrols” marketing. Regardless of if CP gets a glow up, I expect the new launch box will also build 2 combat patrols.

Yes, but you also couldn't play combat patrol out the box unlike skaventide.

[sarabando]

the most important thing that 11th can do related to this clear nostalgia train is go back to that banging NMM gold and black logo. 

[jaxom]

1 hour ago, Mogger351 said:

Yes, but you also couldn't play combat patrol out the box unlike skaventide.

Correct, if the 11th box can then I'd say it's part of the CP glow up. Again though, that doesn't matter - the Levi box mini contents were marketed as two combat patrols. If one wants to speculate on 11th ed box minis, then 2 combat patrols plus an addition 1-2 units is a good place to start.

[ThePenitentOne]

1 hour ago, Mogger351 said:

Yes, but you also couldn't play combat patrol out the box unlike skaventide.

Sure you could.

 

And I think you still can- though the original combat patrol lists for the armies that were in the box may not still be up online, but they were certainly up at release... And other than the BRB or downloaded rules and the models, lists for Combat Patrol Armies are the only things you need.

[Mogger351]

12 minutes ago, ThePenitentOne said:

Sure you could.

 

And I think you still can- though the original combat patrol lists for the armies that were in the box may not still be up online, but they were certainly up at release... And other than the BRB or downloaded rules and the models, lists for Combat Patrol Armies are the only things you need.

There's no play surface or terrain included, whereas the spearhead sets do include those. Because the terrain and table are defined it makes it a tighter designed game.