More 11th Edition Boxset Rumours

[Focslain]

28 minutes ago, Mogger351 said:

There's no play surface or terrain included, whereas the spearhead sets do include those. Because the terrain and table are defined it makes it a tighter designed game.

Basically the new starter should be like the CP starter box with a few extra units. IIRC the CP starter is the same cost as the old Leviathan box starter.  

[Antarius]

Personally, I hope they leave the boards out, but I have no idea if they will or not. Terrain is always awesome and imo belongs in a starter box in the same way a rulebook and minis do.

 

As for starter box sales, I don't think we can really divine anything from one being available longer than the other. I mean, we don't have the sales numbers, we don't know how many they produced and there were pretty clear differences in the way they launched the two games (with the made to order thing, second wave etc.), so I don't think there's a lot to be gleaned from comparing them.

That being said, I think it's true that Stormcast just don't appeal to people in quite the same manner Marines do; there seems to be a more even spread in factions among AoS players, but I freely admit this is an impression, not actual data.

Edited January 29 by Antarius

[Antarius]

19 hours ago, 01RTB01 said:

 

My first gaming love courtesy of Argos. 20 boyz and 40 grots would be fun to see. 10/20 probably more likely depending on what else is in there.

Yeah, I remember how awesome it felt unpacking all this stuff; that box was packed to the brim.

 

Not that new starter boxes haven't been, but I'm older and more jaded now, so it's just not the same.

[gideon stargreave]

Pure wishlist but what I’d love to see from a ork marine starter:

 

Echoing some commenters above, based on the 2nd box

 

Captain with combo melta (not tycho)

10 man tactical squad split into 2

something special for the marines

lots of gretchin

Some boys and kommandos 

a deffdread 

ruins 

 

 

 

[Dark Shepherd]

4 hours ago, Antarius said:

Personally, I hope they leave the boards out, but I have no idea if they will or not. Terrain is always awesome and imo belongs in a starter box in the same way a rulebook and minis do.

 

As for starter box sales, I don't think we can really divine anything from one being available longer than the other. I mean, we don't have the sales numbers, we don't know how many they produced and there were pretty clear differences in the way they launched the two games (with the made to order thing, second wave etc.), so I don't think there's a lot to be gleaned from comparing them.

That being said, I think it's true that Stormcast just don't appeal to people in quite the same manner Marines do; there seems to be a more even spread in factions among AoS players, but I freely admit this is an impression, not actual data.

Theres a catch 22/paradox of the LAUNCH box and STARTER box being 2 different things  according to GW statements, but most of us would see the launch box as an edition starter box and starter box really for little timmys and tammys or people totally new to GW or even wargaming

 

If they go 40k spearhead I can see that being Starter Box not launch box

 

Minor tangent but if they introduced rules for demolishing terrain/collapsing buildings some new ruined terrain or rubble would be a nice add to launch box

[ChapterMasterGodfrey]

Valrak's latest videos rumours:

• Captain with Shield and Melee weapon
• Jump Chaplain
• Ancient
• Librarian

He noted the Librarian was in Mark X Tacticus but I think all four are in Tacticus. Then:

• x10 mix armour "New" Intercessors. No new weapons. Not even a combi for the Sgt. :(. Praying to the Emperor for a back banner here.
• x5 Vanguard Veterans
• x3 Gravis armoured heavy weapon squad with Heavy Bolters. He descibed it as a heavy version of the Inceptor's Assault Bolter - which is the heavy bolter from the company heroes. Bit disapointed this is a Grav weapon squad as how are these different to Heavy Intercessors?
• x1 Land Speeder - similar to Storm Speeder but just pilot and gunner, no dude with his head between missiles. Supposedly with a melta and gatling cannon loadout.

 

[Focslain]

10 minutes ago, ChapterMasterGodfrey said:

x1 Land Speeder - similar to Storm Speeder but just pilot and gunner, no dude with his head between missiles. Supposedly with a melta and gatling cannon loadout.

Depending on size that is a way for the old Tornado speeders to come back. Melta/assault cannon was the classic loadout.

[Dezron]

11 minutes ago, ChapterMasterGodfrey said:

x3 Gravis armoured heavy weapon squad with Heavy Bolters. He descibed it as a heavy version of the Inceptor's Assault Bolter - which is the heavy bolter from the company heroes. Bit disapointed this is a Grav weapon squad as how are these different to Heavy Intercessors?

 

One option that's it not Bolt weapon but Autocannon, second option is that they have something bigger then Heavy Bolter (Mauler Bolt Cannon?), or maybe they have rotary Bolt weapon.

[ChapterMasterGodfrey]

36 minutes ago, Dezron said:

rotary Bolt weapon.

Onslaught Gatling Cannons would be cool

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

1 hour ago, ChapterMasterGodfrey said:

Valrak's latest videos rumours:

• Captain with Shield and Melee weapon
• Jump Chaplain
• Ancient
• Librarian

He noted the Librarian was in Mark X Tacticus but I think all four are in Tacticus. Then:

• x10 mix armour "New" Intercessors. No new weapons. Not even a combi for the Sgt. :(. Praying to the Emperor for a back banner here.
• x5 Vanguard Veterans
• x3 Gravis armoured heavy weapon squad with Heavy Bolters. He descibed it as a heavy version of the Inceptor's Assault Bolter - which is the heavy bolter from the company heroes. Bit disapointed this is a Grav weapon squad as how are these different to Heavy Intercessors?
• x1 Land Speeder - similar to Storm Speeder but just pilot and gunner, no dude with his head between missiles. Supposedly with a melta and gatling cannon loadout.

 

Well HIs are 5 man with a single HB or 10 man with 2 HBs to start, but I also assume they’ll have an ability like Reroll 1s to hit, or Reroll hit rolls against <monster> units or something like that.

[Mogger351]

Ngl as a current not marine player, that half leaves me whelmed in concept.

[Ming the Merciless]

Frag cannons?

[Karhedron]

1 hour ago, ChapterMasterGodfrey said:

• Captain with Shield and Melee weapon
• Jump Chaplain
• Ancient
• Librarian

 

All solid choices although I would like some decent rules for an Ancient.

  

1 hour ago, ChapterMasterGodfrey said:

x10 mix armour "New" Intercessors. No new weapons. Not even a combi for the Sgt. :(. Praying to the Emperor for a back banner here.

 

Maybe we will get some more options if they do a MPK in the following wave.

  

1 hour ago, ChapterMasterGodfrey said:

• x5 Vanguard Veterans

 

The Blood Angel in me likes this news.

  

1 hour ago, ChapterMasterGodfrey said:

• x3 Gravis armoured heavy weapon squad with Heavy Bolters. He descibed it as a heavy version of the Inceptor's Assault Bolter - which is the heavy bolter from the company heroes. Bit disapointed this is a Grav weapon squad as how are these different to Heavy Intercessors?

 

This does sound disappointing if that is all that they are. 3 HBs would give 9 S5 shots. HInts get 11 S5 shots already. I would rather have seen Lascannons or something.

 

1 hour ago, ChapterMasterGodfrey said:

x1 Land Speeder - similar to Storm Speeder but just pilot and gunner, no dude with his head between missiles. Supposedly with a melta and gatling cannon loadout.

 

Halfway between a Hailstrike and a Hammerstrike.

[Marshal Reinhard]

I have silly amounts of captains, chaplains and ancients, but the more the merrier I guess? Captains more or less end up as more veterans at this point. Chaplains always fit in, especially if its a jump version. Banners are banners... just hope they do something a bit more interesting this time than just Eagle/Winged skull&laurel with room for chapter symbol and name. Witches are witches.

 

Dakka gravis is not unwelcome. "Heavy version of the assault bolter of the inceptors, that is the heavy bolter from the company heroes".... so just a heavy bolter then? The only thing that links these two things is that they look similiar from the front on account of the bolter 'shield'

 

Vanguard veterans has my interest piqued. Need details on how I can arm them and such. No doubt I would heavily alter what bits used with any infantry on account templar bits accessibilty

 

Never got a speeder, so this would be my first one, quite like the storm-x speeders looks so this will be just fine.

 

The possibly most interesting but also potentially least interesting aspect are the new intercessors. Since its supposedly a starter box, it means options will be essentially nonexistant. So the most important part is how the mixed armor aspect will work. I've been quite diligent in swapping older helmets in my crusade, but there's limitations on how to do that easily with other armor parts. How these end up looking will determine quite a lot and potentially alter how I want my force to look going forward. Altering already existing models in the same way might be too much work, but a potential multipart kit with the same idea of mixed armor might be more readily usuable in other primaris kits. Again, it all depends on how this mixed armor mark squad actually looks.

[Dark Shepherd]

These marines should be painted as Imperial Fists not Blood Angels :)

 

 

[DeadFingers]

19 minutes ago, Dark Shepherd said:

These marines should be painted as Imperial Fists not Blood Angels :)

They used to be Imperial Fists, but then they got painted red and now they're Imperial Fasts.

[Dark Shepherd]

2 hours ago, DeadFingers said:

They used to be Imperial Fists, but then they got painted red and now they're Imperial Fasts.

Wait til my lodge heres about this

[RedFox]

7 hours ago, ChapterMasterGodfrey said:

Valrak's latest videos rumours:

• Captain with Shield and Melee weapon
• Jump Chaplain
• Ancient
• Librarian

He noted the Librarian was in Mark X Tacticus but I think all four are in Tacticus. Then:

• x10 mix armour "New" Intercessors. No new weapons. Not even a combi for the Sgt. :(. Praying to the Emperor for a back banner here.
• x5 Vanguard Veterans
• x3 Gravis armoured heavy weapon squad with Heavy Bolters. He descibed it as a heavy version of the Inceptor's Assault Bolter - which is the heavy bolter from the company heroes. Bit disapointed this is a Grav weapon squad as how are these different to Heavy Intercessors?
• x1 Land Speeder - similar to Storm Speeder but just pilot and gunner, no dude with his head between missiles. Supposedly with a melta and gatling cannon loadout.

 

 

so basically nothing really new?

 

not very original

[The Praetorian of Inwit]

Those latest rumours are not particularly inspiring on the marine side. 

 

With Xenos having been in 10th and 11th, I wonder if 12th will go back to Chaos for the launch box?

 

We are now (roughly) 5 months away from 11th (assuming a June/July release). 

 

Rather depressingly it means we are only roughly 41 months away from 12th edition, as I don't see the 3 year cycle stopping. 

[Orange Knight]

Those rumors would make the Marine half of the box extremely safe if true.

 

The characters are all fine in theory:

 

Captain is already expected. I would be happy if he looks like the Captain on the cover of the 2nd edition box, or if he's got unique wargear not found anywhere else.

 

Jump Chaplain will be a popular addition.

 

The existing Primaris librarian is an excellent model, not sure what a new one will offers besides a possible weapon variant? Stave instead of a sword?

 

Yet ANOTHER banner bearer seems redundant to me. We already have a generic character kit which is decent, and myriad chapter specific options.

 

The new Gravis unit sounds a bit bland and redundant but could be interesting in theory. This could be a unit elevated by rules instead of just the modelled wargear. The weapons could be damage 3, or they could shoot twice if standing still, etc. Also they will probably look awesome, but again, Heavy Intercessors with Heavy Bolters are already a thing and have been for some time. If this unit is real, I fully expect the full multipart release to come with the option to run Grav Cannons. Remember how the Inceptors initially had the bolt weapons, and then the full release unlocked Plasma as an option? This will be the same deal.

 

The new Speeder just sounds like a waste of a model to me. The Marine range already has too many vehicles and overlap of roles and units.

 

I guess it would be better as a started for an entirely new hobbyist as opposed to hobby veterans? Not long to wait if the rumors about a March reveal are true...

 

 

[ZeroWolf]

6 minutes ago, Orange Knight said:

Those rumors would make the Marine half of the box extremely safe if true.

 

The characters are all fine in theory:

 

Captain is already expected. I would be happy if he looks like the Captain on the cover of the 2nd edition box, or if he's got unique wargear not found anywhere else.

 

Jump Chaplain will be a popular addition.

 

The existing Primaris librarian is an excellent model, not sure what a new one will offers besides a possible weapon variant? Stave instead of a sword?

 

Yet ANOTHER banner bearer seems redundant to me. We already have a generic character kit which is decent, and myriad chapter specific options.

 

The new Gravis unit sounds a bit bland and redundant but could be interesting in theory. This could be a unit elevated by rules instead of just the modelled wargear. The weapons could be damage 3, or they could shoot twice if standing still, etc. Also they will probably look awesome, but again, Heavy Intercessors with Heavy Bolters are already a thing and have been for some time. If this unit is real, I fully expect the full multipart release to come with the option to run Grav Cannons. Remember how the Inceptors initially had the bolt weapons, and then the full release unlocked Plasma as an option? This will be the same deal.

 

The new Speeder just sounds like a waste of a model to me. The Marine range already has too many vehicles and overlap of roles and units.

 

I guess it would be better as a started for an entirely new hobbyist as opposed to hobby veterans? Not long to wait if the rumors about a March reveal are true...

 

 

The marine captain is supposedly armed with a power weapon of some description (axe or sword? Place your bets now!) And a shield...so not likely to look like the guy from 2nd edition (I do remember the fun WD article from way back when that shown you how to convert him!)

[ThaneOfTas]

8 hours ago, ChapterMasterGodfrey said:

Captain with Shield and Melee weapon

Kinda boring honestly, especially since i had thought that earlier rumours were indicating that it would be something kind of like This classic John Blanche art. But, i do like a good sword and board captain, and if its something more interesting than a sword then all the better.

 

8 hours ago, ChapterMasterGodfrey said:

Jump Chaplain

Good! very needed, completely unsurprising but necessary. I will need to make sure to grab another of the current Blood Angel ones though just for the Jump pack.

 

8 hours ago, ChapterMasterGodfrey said:

Ancient

Ancients are cooler than Lieutenants, so im always happy to see more of them.

 

8 hours ago, ChapterMasterGodfrey said:

Librarian

Honestly shocked that this isnt in Gravis, I hope that it at least comes with a Force Staff or Axe this time.

 

8 hours ago, ChapterMasterGodfrey said:

x10 mix armour "New" Intercessors

No special or heavy weapons is a major dissapointment, but not entirely shocking. Was really hoping that they'd let the tactical squad live on like this. I guess theres always the possibility that the multi part kit will have more options. Regardless, letting the intercessor kit have some variety was very necessary, so still worth it on that front.

 

8 hours ago, ChapterMasterGodfrey said:

x5 Vanguard Veterans

Not a surprise, lets hope that they look good and will have options.

 

8 hours ago, ChapterMasterGodfrey said:

x3 Gravis armoured heavy weapon squad with Heavy Bolters.

I like the heavy bolter with a blast shield from the company heroes box, but this really doesn't need to be in Gravis. I guess its nice to get a better spiritual successor to the heavy bolter devastators than the Heavy Intercessors (I'm talking about aesthetics and concept, not tabletop role), but I'll probably just make my own using some spare Tacticus bodies and devastator bits.

 

8 hours ago, ChapterMasterGodfrey said:

x1 Land Speeder

Happy about this, the speeders have been the one Primaris vehicle that I have unreservedly liked from day one. (well them and the outrider bikes), so the opportunity to pick one up a bit cheaper is a big plus.

 

On the whole, I'll likely not bother with this box, as i was planning on kitbashing my own VanVets, and waiting on the multipart for the new Intercessors. The speeder i may try and pick up off of marketplace, and same with any of the characters who take my fancy.

[Dr. Clock]

Gravis weirdos is a surprise, but I'll be well happy with this if true. I didn't really love the idea of Intercessors being superceded by Primaris Tactical squad or whatever, and one does expect to just paint at least 10 'regular marines' each edition. I'll paint them as my first 6th Co. squad, so it'll be fun to get some orange going on them.

 

Vanguard Vets and new speeder are a slam dunk for my Storms Lords tho; probably double up on those if the price is right... if I do I'll be able to swing a 5 speeder list if I want lol. Hopefully I can paint enough eldar corsairs in time to go all in on a Storm Lords Summer for Call to Arms ; ) 

 

Cheers,

 

The Good Doctor.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

1 hour ago, Orange Knight said:

Those rumors would make the Marine half of the box extremely safe if true.

 

The characters are all fine in theory:

 

Captain is already expected. I would be happy if he looks like the Captain on the cover of the 2nd edition box, or if he's got unique wargear not found anywhere else.

 

Jump Chaplain will be a popular addition.

 

The existing Primaris librarian is an excellent model, not sure what a new one will offers besides a possible weapon variant? Stave instead of a sword?

 

Yet ANOTHER banner bearer seems redundant to me. We already have a generic character kit which is decent, and myriad chapter specific options.

 

The new Gravis unit sounds a bit bland and redundant but could be interesting in theory. This could be a unit elevated by rules instead of just the modelled wargear. The weapons could be damage 3, or they could shoot twice if standing still, etc. Also they will probably look awesome, but again, Heavy Intercessors with Heavy Bolters are already a thing and have been for some time. If this unit is real, I fully expect the full multipart release to come with the option to run Grav Cannons. Remember how the Inceptors initially had the bolt weapons, and then the full release unlocked Plasma as an option? This will be the same deal.

 

The new Speeder just sounds like a waste of a model to me. The Marine range already has too many vehicles and overlap of roles and units.

 

I guess it would be better as a started for an entirely new hobbyist as opposed to hobby veterans? Not long to wait if the rumors about a March reveal are true...

 

 

Yeah there’s a lot of overlap, but a speeder transport fits the BA, WS, and DA themes all very well. 
 

there are a lot of themes in the marine faction and sub factions.

[Lathe Biosas]

Any idea of when this is supposed to be released?

 

I'm still buying and building my Space Marine army, so a box set would make life easier.