More 11th Edition Boxset Rumours

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

3 minutes ago, Lathe Biosas said:

Any idea of when this is supposed to be released?

 

I'm still buying and building my Space Marine army, so a box set would make life easier.

This summer.

[DeadFingers]

28 minutes ago, Lathe Biosas said:

Any idea of when this is supposed to be released?

 

I'm still buying and building my Space Marine army, so a box set would make life easier.

New editions usually drop around June-July.

[Larkhainan]

I am glad to hear there's more Gravis, of the "new" armor types I've always liked them but felt like they might get cut.

Vanvet, Speeder, Gravis weirdos, Chaplain and a Librarian are enough to justify half the box anyway, other stuff is a bonus though it is a pity they're not doing a Captain based on the 2e art or the Blanche art linked above.

 

I will say I'm a little disappointed with an Ancient instead of a Gravis lieutenant to lead the dudes. Given it is 11th, they could shift the rules off the Biologis for the edition.

[Wispy]

I haven't played the game in forever but the news of a melta/gatling speeder got me really excited. I loved the melta/assault cannon classic loadout with land speeders back in the day and used them to shadow my Grey Hunter squads in 5th Edition.

[Orange Knight]

9 hours ago, Inquisitor_Lensoven said:

Yeah there’s a lot of overlap, but a speeder transport fits the BA, WS, and DA themes all very well. 

 

Didn't Valrak say that it isn't even a transport? Just a smaller Speeder with some weapons.

8 hours ago, Larkhainan said:

I am glad to hear there's more Gravis, of the "new" armor types I've always liked them but felt like they might get cut.

 

I never thought for a moment they would be cut. Too many popular units and characters at this point. And they look great when done right.

[Mogger351]

21 minutes ago, Orange Knight said:

 

Didn't Valrak say that it isn't even a transport? Just a smaller Speeder with some weapons.

 

I never thought for a moment they would be cut. Too many popular units and characters at this point. And they look great when done right.

I've thought it was meant to be a transport myself, he mentioned hypothetically he could see a replacement for the land speeder storm as the stormspeeders have sort of filled the niche of the others already.

 

If this is just "small speeder" I really don't see the point overly. If anything it's making me suspicious of a stormcast situation given the new intercessors.

Edited Wednesday at 09:56 AM by Mogger351

[Northern Walker]

The ideal of 3 dudes with heavy bolters is just very dull. 

I know I'm a grumpy curmudgeon who believes marines shoukd move in multiples of 5, but what's wrong with just a devastator squad?

[Mogger351]

17 minutes ago, Northern Walker said:

The ideal of 3 dudes with heavy bolters is just very dull. 

I know I'm a grumpy curmudgeon who believes marines shoukd move in multiples of 5, but what's wrong with just a devastator squad?

Because infernus marines, eradicators, desolation and hellblaster squads all need to dissappear in that case realistically.

[The Lost Son]

@Mogger351they could all stay if devestators became a "veteran" unit, probably more in a lore sense than game roll 

[Crimson Longinus]

Gravis heavy weapon squad is something I wanted, but heavy bolters is a really poor weapon choice. That is not really a role that needs filling, and this squad will be very, very similar to heavy intercessors, who are gravis unit that shoots heavy bolter level shots and even have one actual heavy bolter. 

[NorthernUltramarines]

New gravis unit in a launch box? This means it's due to become one of the best marine datasheets, before being nerfed next edition.

 

Aggressors released in 8th - Obscene double firing if stationary (which was always in Ultras) and the overwatch from the flamers makes me wince in pain still to this day.

Eradicators released in 9th - I've never seen a marine unit remove anything so quickly, I think some Imperial Knight players will still have flashbacks. Double tapping anything with that amount of melta felt unfair.

Apothecary Bio released in 10th - Only really broken in Ultramarines with that stupid enhancement, but it made the Calgar/Aggressor bubble a nightmare to deal with.

Gravis Bolters - 11th. Probably have some stupid rule that lets them fire at every visible unit, or lets you steal your opponents codex and slap them round the back of the head with it every time you roll a 6. Victory through blunt force trauma. 

[Karhedron]

41 minutes ago, Crimson Longinus said:

Gravis heavy weapon squad is something I wanted, but heavy bolters is a really poor weapon choice. That is not really a role that needs filling, and this squad will be very, very similar to heavy intercessors, who are gravis unit that shoots heavy bolter level shots and even have one actual heavy bolter. 

 

Not only Heavy Intercessors, they also compete directly with Inceptors who are 3-man squads in Gravis armour and have access to Heavy Bolters (equiv) throughout. My concern is that whatever happens, one squad will pretty much invalidate the other.

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

3 hours ago, Orange Knight said:

 

Didn't Valrak say that it isn't even a transport? Just a smaller Speeder with some weapons.

 

I never thought for a moment they would be cut. Too many popular units and characters at this point. And they look great when done right.

No, he specifically stated it is a transport in multiple videos now

[Inquisitor_Lensoven]

27 minutes ago, Karhedron said:

 

Not only Heavy Intercessors, they also compete directly with Inceptors who are 3-man squads in Gravis armour and have access to Heavy Bolters (equiv) throughout. My concern is that whatever happens, one squad will pretty much invalidate the other.

Sorry but no, ground slogging heavy bolters will not be competing with inceptors unless they get some sort of wild movement mechanic.

[firestorm40k]

48 minutes ago, NorthernUltramarines said:

Gravis Bolters - 11th. Probably have some stupid rule that lets them fire at every visible unit, or lets you steal your opponents codex and slap them round the back of the head with it every time you roll a 6. Victory through blunt force trauma. 

 

To be honest, I'm not particularly inspired by anything from the rumours - I have hopes that the Tac Squad/Intercessors will be a worthy upgrade, same with Vanguard Vets, but the characters aren't very exciting. Captain with shield? Already got on (from Indomitus). Librarian? Already got one of those, too. 

 

I wonder if the Speeder is a variant of the new style Storm Speeder? 

 

And, having painted two squads of Heavy Intercessors, I think the Gravis squad with Heavy Bolters sounds like an unnecessary repetition, if you ask me 

[Orange Knight]

Guys, take it to the bank. I am putting my prediction down here and now, tag this post lol.

 

The 3 man Heavy Bolter gravis squad will have additional weapon options in the full release, and will have the option to take 3 Grav Cannons.

[Mogger351]

2 hours ago, The Lost Son said:

@Mogger351they could all stay if devestators became a "veteran" unit, probably more in a lore sense than game roll 

No they couldn't, because a devastators unit would simply be the above units with an option to pick your weapon. To the point that 5 devastators with missiles = desolation squad.

 

Devastators are gone, people need to let go.

[NorthernUltramarines]

53 minutes ago, firestorm40k said:

And, having painted two squads of Heavy Intercessors, I think the Gravis squad with Heavy Bolters sounds like an unnecessary repetition, if you ask me 

 

Looks wise I'm hoping for some more additional armour plating on the firing side, just like the heavy bolter vet in the company heroes kit. Rules wise unsure how they could make them massively different, but I'm sure they'll have something that makes them worth taking. Personally, I'd rather have a belt fed grenade launcher on them.

[Orange Knight]

9 minutes ago, NorthernUltramarines said:

 

Looks wise I'm hoping for some more additional armour plating on the firing side, just like the heavy bolter vet in the company heroes kit. Rules wise unsure how they could make them massively different, but I'm sure they'll have something that makes them worth taking. Personally, I'd rather have a belt fed grenade launcher on them.

 

They might be a different weapon.

"Heavy Bolt Cannon" 

[kabaakaba]

3 minutes ago, Orange Knight said:

 

They might be a different weapon.

"Heavy Bolt Cannon" 

Even titans and superheavy still use bolters even if it Vulcan mega bolter. But not the cannon.

[Dark Shepherd]

Any chance of some non tacticus goodness for the ancient if not the libby?

[Orange Knight]

11 minutes ago, Dark Shepherd said:

Any chance of some non tacticus goodness for the ancient if not the libby?

 

He would have to fit with one of the units in the box I suppose. I guess he could be a Gravis ancient? That would be cool.

[HolyPestilience]

1 hour ago, Orange Knight said:

Guys, take it to the bank. I am putting my prediction down here and now, tag this post lol.

 

The 3 man Heavy Bolter gravis squad will have additional weapon options in the full release, and will have the option to take 3 Grav Cannons.

Could those be multipart with different weapons and a substitute for centurions? Maybe they are more „gravis“ like than normal gravis  armour ?

 

Edit: I mean a later release with a multipart kit after the launch box.

Edited Wednesday at 03:12 PM by HolyPestilience

[gaurdian31]

33 minutes ago, Orange Knight said:

 

He would have to fit with one of the units in the box I suppose. I guess he could be a Gravis ancient? That would be cool.

Would he though? I mean we already got the Apothecary Biologis who had no one to hang with in Leviathan, so we could get a phobos ancient. I would like a gravis librarian though, don't think there is one of those yet.

[Karhedron]

4 minutes ago, gaurdian31 said:

Would he though? I mean we already got the Apothecary Biologis who had no one to hang with in Leviathan, so we could get a phobos ancient. I would like a gravis librarian though, don't think there is one of those yet.

 

I think that the Biologis was a hang-over from 9th edition where characters floated freely and could buff any nearby squads. 11th edition is supposed to be a refinement of 10th rather than a wholesale revamp so I expect the minis to abide by the current rules. The Jump Chaplain obviously goes with the VanVets. Captain and Libby can each lead a 5-man Intercessor squad with the Ancient being allowed to join the Captain.

 

This doesn't rule out the possibility of a Gravis character but I wouldn't count on it.